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Offline Sam

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Bogus AT Model F
« on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:14:45 »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250730440373

The picture is of an XT board, but then the seller went and copied someone else's description of an AT along with the mismatched AT picture.  Says it was tested and all keys work.  Yeah right.

Edit: I just loaded it again and looks like the listing has been somewhat modified.  It now describes it as an XT, but still says it's 84 keys, not the correct 83 keys, still has someone else's picture of an AT, and still incorrectly identifies the interface as AT.
« Last Edit: Tue, 23 November 2010, 02:17:47 by Sam »

Offline Sam

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Bogus AT Model F
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 06:39:14 »
Please be my guest to assume it's an AT and bid accordingly.  I won't bid against you. :)

Offline Shawn Stanford

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 06:44:42 »
Well, regardless of that, that's an awesome pic he's got there:
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 08:43:24 »
It appears the picture has changed....
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Offline Shawn Stanford

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:37:26 »
Here's the part where Sam wishes he'd just bid the .99 and kept his mouth shut.

Let the carnage begin...
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Offline TexasFlood

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 12:51:55 »
Quote from: ironman31;251141
It appears the picture has changed....


Quote from: Shawn Stanford;251275
Here's the part where Sam wishes he'd just bid the .99 and kept his mouth shut.

Let the carnage begin...


Assuming it doesn't change again, :wink:.

Offline Sam

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 18:29:16 »
Quote from: Shawn Stanford;251275
Here's the part where Sam wishes he'd just bid the .99 and kept his mouth shut.

Let the carnage begin...


Well, actually my first reaction was to not say anything, figuring it was just an XT and if I could get it for $.99, or even under $10 I'd take it.  Maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but even before I posted here the seller was making changes to the listing.  So probably someone already contacted him about the bogus pictures.  With only 96.8% positive feedback, I think I'll pass and let someone else take a chance.

Offline ironman31

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 23 November 2010, 18:40:06 »
Quote from: Sam;251523
Well, actually my first reaction was to not say anything, figuring it was just an XT and if I could get it for $.99, or even under $10 I'd take it.  Maybe I shouldn't have said anything, but even before I posted here the seller was making changes to the listing.  So probably someone already contacted him about the bogus pictures.  With only 96.8% positive feedback, I think I'll pass and let someone else take a chance.


If you didn't say anything, someone else would have
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 28 November 2010, 13:32:40 »
I hate ebay. As I was putting in my bid of 46 dollars it made me sign in again........ losing it. :(
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline ironman31

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 28 November 2010, 15:48:40 »
Quote from: ripster;253438
Wow, $45 for a tested Model F AT.  

That WAS a good deal.  Congrats if someone here won it.


Yeah. I'm hoping I'll get lucky again and find one like that and eBay won't screw me over again
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline Sam

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 00:00:34 »
Quote from: ironman31;253434
I hate ebay. As I was putting in my bid of 46 dollars it made me sign in again........ losing it. :(


Actually you don't know that you would have one it if you had been able to bid $46.  My guess is that you wouldn't have because more than likely the last winning bidder put in some amount higher as his maximum bid and you would have been automatically outbid.

I'm still not certain if the board was really an AT or an XT.  Did you see how many times the listing was edited?  If it was $10 or $20, I would have taken a chance, being I'd be willing to pay that for an XT board in good condition.  At $45, I figured it wasn't worth taking the chance and having hassles in trying to return it.  If someone from here bought it, it would be interesting to hear if it's the real thing or not.

Offline ironman31

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 29 November 2010, 08:50:22 »
Quote from: Sam;253679
Actually you don't know that you would have one it if you had been able to bid $46.  My guess is that you wouldn't have because more than likely the last winning bidder put in some amount higher as his maximum bid and you would have been automatically outbid.

I'm still not certain if the board was really an AT or an XT.  Did you see how many times the listing was edited?  If it was $10 or $20, I would have taken a chance, being I'd be willing to pay that for an XT board in good condition.  At $45, I figured it wasn't worth taking the chance and having hassles in trying to return it.  If someone from here bought it, it would be interesting to hear if it's the real thing or not.


True. O well, maybe next time
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Offline Voixdelion

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Bogus AT Model F
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 04 December 2010, 04:21:05 »
Psst... here's a tip folks:

When in doubt, ask.  

A simple line to the seller like "is the auction item the one pictured?" or the like can be the key bit you need.  Or describe some specific thing about the item you expect or want  and ask if that is present - example:  Does the label show the letters AT after "Personal Computer"  or not?  OR  Is the separation between num pad and main keyboard  present?  Most mismatched descriptions and pics tend to get cleared up pretty quick this way, and once you know what is really there it doesn't matter how much the listing mutates in the details if there are only so many things it could be.    Sometimes this gives you the inside track because most sellers don't make the questions public and you could end up the only bidder knowing that the trash that is advertised is in reality a treasure.  

I've only had that not clear up my bidding questions in one very surreal email experience where the seller was either very old or very tired or very busy with multiple listings or all of those simultaneously when I was attempting to purchase my 3.2 Ghz P4 Northie for a 478 socket board.  Despite having the actual Chip ID (SL6WG I think it was) and all the specs and asking closed ended questions I was nearly in tears at the end of the auction trying to confirm that I was bidding  on the right chip because at least while the original mistake was not a possible actual chip id, every permutation of the mistakes that followed could have been what I wanted or some other that I didn't (different socket, different speed, different cache size, and all very close in ID number in the largest family of chips with similar specs I've ever seen)  and  I panicked because 5 minutes after mine ended he listed a new auction that had all the correct information for that exact chip I thought I had just purchased and I sent him an email on that listing telling him to hold off accepting any more bids until he read the email I was going to forward to him outside of the ebay system which limited the characters.  

I had to detail the entire back and forth exchange in chronological order to illustrate why I was going bat**** after a series of exchanges that had me thinking he was feebleminded or being deliberately evasive for the duration of the auction which I had won, and didn't know what the hell I had actually purchased by the time it was through.  He seemed not to connect each successive communication to the previous ones, with the result that every time I tried to correct one mistake, a different one appeared in a different spec and I couldn't even get a YES OR NO to specifics without him adding in something else that ****ed it all up again .  After summing up the previous 14 emails dated and color shaded to be clear who said what when  final communication had ended in the desperate 24pt  red all capitals font  command/plea:  "PLEASE  TELL ME ONLY ONE THING _ DOES THE BACK OF THE  CHIP I JUST BOUGHT SAY 'SL6WG' ?? FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN PLEASE REPLY WITH ONLY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO WORDS: "YES"/"NO"

With it all laid out like that over four pages  he finally saw what had happened (And he was pretty amused at the effort I put into that last letter  too...)  apologized for the confusion and offered to send me another one free of charge to "compensate for his goof"


It was a pretty good deal for 20 bucks, so I guess even that turned out ok.
« Last Edit: Sat, 04 December 2010, 04:29:00 by Voixdelion »
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