Author Topic: Google Chrome Notebook (CR-48) (Read 31904 times)

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #100 on:** Wed, 16 February 2011, 13:19:42 »

Quote from: turbocharged;296125

What apology letter

For getting spammed Saturday morning at 2:30am by Google Groups (Notebook pilot group google auto-added every approved pilot user too; however, a number of people getting them in the past few days confirmed that they weren't on the email flood list. If you got the email flood, it's a good sign, but if you didn't, it isn't necessarily a bad one.)

Quote from: turbocharged;296125

and how long after applying did you receive that?

About....2 and a half months? I applied in December on the first day.

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I applied last week and am just curious as to what their timeline is.

Fairly arbitrary. Some people got them on Valentine's Day after applying on 2/7 (shipped out day of app), and some people that applied in December are getting emailed about it and asked to confirm shipping info. Nice and unpredictable.

ch_123 · « **Reply #101 on:** Wed, 16 February 2011, 17:45:03 »

Quote from: EverythingIBM;296082

It would be fantastic to use linux or something good for an audio rig (my views on windows were never really positive; but it's just what's supported the most). Funny how the bad always overrules the good.
But yeah, FL wouldn't work in it sadly... and other issues. Stuck with XP I'm afraid.
I'm not changing my VST host, as, that would require resequencing all the music to another sequencer. Either that, or, I'd be dealing with two VST hosts... and that's just ugly.

I admit I'm not an expert with audio stuff. I do know that a friend of mine has an M-Audio in his (Linux) PC, and picked it specifically because of M-Audio's support for Linux. I know people who make music with Linux tools. Then again, they may not have the same requirements as you. YMMV.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #102 on:** Wed, 16 February 2011, 18:13:26 »

Quote from: ripster;296129

I can EASILY summarize the buzz around the Google Chrome Notebook:

It's Free!

Kinda like why you should always suspect Keyboard reviews from a blogger or creator of a new Keyboard Forum.

I can EASILY summarize your attitude toward the Google Chrome Notebook:

You didn't get one.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #103 on:** Thu, 17 February 2011, 09:43:54 »

Quote from: ripster;296129

I can EASILY summarize the buzz around the Google Chrome Notebook:

It's Free!

I'm aware of the hype, but you can install whatever OS you want on it.

Something is definitely a hell of a lot more appealing when its free. For nerds, its also not available for purchase- the terms prevent you from selling/trading the laptop away, and you can't buy the Cr-48, you have to be picked.

It's also beta testing (real beta testing from what I'm reading, not the bull**** where everything gets tagged with beta these days), which nerds love doing too.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #104 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 13:06:59 »

Sorry for the thread bump.

I got my new toy in the end after all :biggrin:

instantkamera · « **Reply #105 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 15:31:09 »

lucky

godly_music · « **Reply #106 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:59:53 »

Tape is still the most secure form of backup.

instantkamera · « **Reply #107 on:** Fri, 11 March 2011, 20:50:44 »

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Tape is still the most secure form of backup.

I can assure you, after dealing with approximately 150 various tape backup systems in the past four years, that this may be true in THEORY, but in practice, it is another story. In this case, that just tells you how bad google ****ed up, because you can be reasonably sure tapes are not their primary backup system.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #108 on:** Fri, 18 March 2011, 18:39:36 »

Quote from: ripster;313334

Somebody run a Geekbench on the CR48! I looked it up in the database and didn't find anything.

And try this trick to see what size the keyboard is. A 92% keyboard is about my limit before I start whining heavily.

From the "All About Scissor Switch Wiki".
Show Image

I'll run Geekbench and take a picture for you in a couple minutes. Hold on.

EDIT: I can't get Geekbench working, but I'll take the picture in a bit.

instantkamera · « **Reply #109 on:** Sat, 19 March 2011, 11:01:30 »

Muchado: Why wont Geekbench run? if you gimme a shell, I can help (chromeOS is a linux OS, correct?)

quadibloc · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 21 March 2011, 13:17:53 »

When these laptops, in their final form, become generally available for a price, though, will they be terribly useful? Despite Chrome being "more open", they'll be tied to an app store a lot like the iPad is.

So, instead of paying up front for the OS, you're paying every time you buy an application. I can't see that as a step up from Windows.

strum4h · « **Reply #111 on:** Mon, 21 March 2011, 13:28:08 »

I just wanted a free one to run crunchbang on. Oh well.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #112 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 01:16:03 »

Quote from: instantkamera;314361

Muchado: Why wont Geekbench run? if you gimme a shell, I can help (chromeOS is a linux OS, correct?)

Chrome OS is derived from Ubuntu (I think; I can tell you it's linux for sure), and I CAN get a real shell instead of crosh in developer mode (which I'm in). It's complaining about the architecture, which I assume is a show of my ineptitude. I tried running both the x86 and the x86-64 editions of Geekbench and got the same error.

instantkamera · « **Reply #113 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 07:01:09 »

care to copy/paste error?

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #114 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 17:52:20 »

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care to copy/paste error?

I'll do that and ripsters' paper thing in a little bit.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #115 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:30:42 »

Alright Linux gurus, time to make fun of my lack of knowledge.

Advice appreciated. chmod to 755 was suggested on a lot of geekbench troubleshooting online.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #116 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:34:00 »

try sudo ./geekbench_x86_32

Also, you should only try the one your system can handle. Is your system 32 bit or 64 bit?

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #117 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:38:59 »

No idea what the system is. uname -a says:

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Linux localhost 2.6.32.26+drm33.12 #1 SMP Thu MAr 17 00:39:39 PDT 2011 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

That part is 64-bit capable according to Intel and I have no idea what is under the hood with Chrome OS architecture wise.

sudo ./geekbench_x86_32 does nothing:

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #118 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:42:22 »

Images for rip.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #119 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:42:40 »

From the Chrome Laptop website...

Quote

The Pilot program is not for the faint of heart.
Things might not always work just right.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #120 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:44:13 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;317192

From the Chrome Laptop website...

That's what I figure. I wonder if there's some sort of library missing...

Not for the faint of heart indeed. Volume control broke for a week. WPA2 Enterprise support is just coming in (unless you make and run a bash script after every boot with your password & username in plaintext on the drive and have no cert validation to prevent a MiTM...)

keyboardlover · « **Reply #121 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:45:23 »

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sudo ./geekbench_x86_32 does nothing

WTF kind of **** Linux IS that??

Maybe you have to actually compile it in Chrome OS? I'm guessing there's no binary already built for it...

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #122 on:** Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:48:35 »

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WTF kind of **** Linux IS that??

I'm wondering what exactly Google did under the hood. Shame it won't run.

Meh, maybe I'll dual boot Ubuntu (official instructions for that) or something else on the machine...

woody · « **Reply #123 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 04:05:00 »

Quote from: muchadoaboutnothing;317184

Advice appreciated. chmod to 755 was suggested on a lot of geekbench troubleshooting online.

Probably the partition (mount point) you're running it from has "noexec" attribute.

instantkamera · « **Reply #124 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 08:14:11 »

who are user and group "500", and who are you logged in as currently? (hash "#" USUALLY means root). can you chown those to your user?

As for some of the other comments:

- you are using 32bit architecture (i686)

- these ARE prebuilt binaries

- I doubt noexec, but lets see the output of "cat /etc/fstab"

keyboardlover · « **Reply #125 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 08:35:27 »

Quote from: instantkamera

- these ARE prebuilt binaries

Yea but are they built specifically for the Chrome OS? Could be a compatibility issue.

instantkamera · « **Reply #126 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 08:54:35 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;317586

Yea but are they built specifically for the Chrome OS? Could be a compatibility issue.

no, unfortunately geekbench doesnt release source, it's proprietary (they want you to pay to use the 64bit binaries)

as for compatibility, I know they TRY to cater to the lowest common denominator, c std libraries etc, but yeah it's a possibility.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #127 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:20:12 »

I think it's a good possibility as C standard libraries are very limited. Most of the apps I've built in Linux had a LOT of other dependencies. Setting up Linux build environments can be a pain.

(Or any build environment for that matter really).

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #128 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:39:56 »

Quote from: instantkamera;317576

who are user and group "500", and who are you logged in as currently? (hash "#" USUALLY means root). can you chown those to your user?

As for some of the other comments:

- you are using 32bit architecture (i686)

- these ARE prebuilt binaries

- I doubt noexec, but lets see the output of "cat /etc/fstab"

I did CTRL + ALT + T for terminal. That brings you to crosh, a very limited shell. I typed shell, which brought me to a "true" shell, then sudo -s. So that is root, correct?

EDIT: I've pitched this question to Primatelabs but I'd appreciate any advice or insight here still.

instantkamera · « **Reply #129 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 10:55:37 »

Questions:

1) what is "shell"? 'ls -l `which shell`' <- This is probably tell us that 'shell' is '/bin/shell' which is likely a symlink to sh or bash or dash ...

2) these binaries (the geekbench ones) dont need to be run as root, dont use sudo. I would like to know what your username is by default. run 'w' or 'whoami' and paste results here.

instantkamera · « **Reply #130 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 12:24:45 »

**** it, I got a build and ran it through vbox. It IS a noexec option, but it is probably NOT specified via fstab (i think it's a fuse thing but I havent looked close enough at that).

you will need root to remount, then it will run.

paste the output of 'mount' here and Ill tell you what to type to get it going.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #131 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 12:39:48 »

I'll do it in...4 hours or so. Don't have it on me.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #132 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 18:06:01 »

instantkamera · « **Reply #133 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:01:47 »

I figured out that shell runs bash (hence the error - "bash: ./geekbench ... permission denied.").

user chronos is the same as the build I have, methinks it is standard.

Last question is, where are the geekbench binaries (so we know which fs to remount)?

(go into the geekbench directory and type "pwd")

to elaborate, if they are in /home/chronos (NOT /home/chronos/user) type:

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sudo mount -o remount,exec /home

or

if they are in /home/chronos/user, type:

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sudo mount -o remount,exec /home/chronos/user

And if you are wondering, it is ok to remount by specifying "mountpoint" as opposed to "device", even if they are not in the fstab (which they are not).

after that, them binaries should run!

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #134 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:28:25 »

[strike]No dice. What did I do wrong now?[/strike]

EDIT: Copied to /home/chronos instead and did sudo mount -o remount,exec /home and it's now running the 32-bit edition successfully. Thanks for all your help.

EDIT 2: The result.

instantkamera · « **Reply #135 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:40:33 »

SWEET! glad I could help. Woody was on the money, of course. But it is quite obvious when you have the system and see a relatively clean fstab vs. df.

post results url when done. EDIT: see you did already. I would say that is on par w/ atom (ie pretty dismal). anyone?

Also, thank YOU for giving me an odd toy to play with. It seems like the build I have is VERY similar in terms of functionality to what you get on the notebook.
If anyone is interested, take a gander at http://hexxeh.net/ and specifically http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/vanilla.php for the daily builds in vmware, vbox AND USB image formats.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #136 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:42:57 »

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SWEET! glad I could help. Woody was on the money, of course. But it is quite obvious when you have the system and see a relatively clean fstab vs. df.

post results url when done.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Results URL is already edited in my last post

Quote from: instantkamera;318041

Also, thank YOU for giving me an odd toy to play with. It seems like the build I have is VERY similar in terms of functionality to what you get on the notebook.
If anyone is interested, take a gander at http://hexxeh.net/ and specifically http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/vanilla.php for the daily builds in vmware, vbox AND USB image formats.

The only problem with the VM images is that they run so slowly... :boink:

instantkamera · « **Reply #137 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:45:53 »

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Y

The only problem with the VM images is that they run so slowly... :boink:

depends on the hardware. Let's just say, compared to running in a VM on my system, that piddly google hardware is sorely outclassed

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #138 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 19:48:15 »

Quote from: instantkamera;318050

depends on the hardware. Let's just say, compared to running in a VM on my system, that piddly google hardware is sorely outclassed

Last I tried, due to a a lack of 3D acceleration, they ran absolutely terribly (worse than on the Cr-48 on my desktop). Perhaps things have improved since then though...

instantkamera · « **Reply #139 on:** Thu, 24 March 2011, 20:00:38 »

nah, you right on that. graphic acceleration is a sad state in my experience. I have used vbox 3d acceleration and with video mem at max (128Mb), it still blows.

My overall gb score is only ~1900 too, though (granted, that's almost double the cr-48)...but I havent played around with virt. extensions or anything.

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #140 on:** Tue, 29 March 2011, 20:33:45 »

So apparently whoever Google is getting to ship the laptops isn't great with the record keeping, as Google is offering to ship me second one thinking I didn't get the first.

My inner nerd says do it and is trying to override my morals:

(dark side quote, etc.)

muchadoaboutnothing · « **Reply #141 on:** Thu, 28 April 2011, 11:26:14 »

(Don't expand, bad quality).

Ended up giving the second one to my brother. Thanks again to Google.

strum4h · « **Reply #142 on:** Fri, 29 April 2011, 16:04:01 »

Man I wish I got one. I really wanted one to load crunchbang on.

The Solutor · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 29 April 2011, 17:16:40 »

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Yours WAS considerably cheaper.

keep in mind that when you turn on a Google gadget is Google that uses you, not viceversa.

Every price you pay for it is always too much.

instantkamera · « **Reply #144 on:** Sun, 01 May 2011, 18:53:57 »

Quote from: The Solutor;339292

keep in mind that when you turn on a Google gadget is Google that uses you, not viceversa.

Every price you pay for it is always too much.

Somehow you look like the bigger tool ...

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Author Topic: Google Chrome Notebook (CR-48) (Read 31904 times)

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