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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2100 on: Sun, 17 June 2018, 22:07:24 »
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.

Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.

What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2101 on: Mon, 18 June 2018, 01:21:47 »
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2103 on: Mon, 18 June 2018, 12:58:02 »
Just survived a GPU meltdown (desktop PC) while using Arch Linux. #flexkarma

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2104 on: Mon, 18 June 2018, 16:15:40 »
@sth -- Oh, you were serious about KDE. Whoops, I thought you were joking. :-[ To be fair I'm not a fan of KDE or Gnome so take that as you will.

haha that's all you had to say.

i wont lie, KDE is pretty and honestly my favorite of the current DE offerings, but i always come back to cwm + lemonbar. no need for the bells and whistles...
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2105 on: Mon, 18 June 2018, 19:24:23 »
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.

Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.

What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?

I just liked the way it looked and ran (and it had lots of very nice desktop backgrounds). Otherwise it's much like using any other Ubuntu-based Xfce distro.

My biggest concern with Linux is software support/availability, so I gravitate towards Mint Xfce just to be using such a popular and well-supported distro.

I'm actually not sure what the state of upkeep is on ChaletOS as it seems to be falling by the wayside, so it might not be a great option anymore, sadly. I hadn't looked at it in a while, and it looks like last release was 2016-07-12.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2106 on: Mon, 18 June 2018, 22:53:49 »
@sth -- Oh, you were serious about KDE. Whoops, I thought you were joking. :-[ To be fair I'm not a fan of KDE or Gnome so take that as you will.

haha that's all you had to say.

i wont lie, KDE is pretty and honestly my favorite of the current DE offerings, but i always come back to cwm + lemonbar. no need for the bells and whistles...

Oh that's right. Your mention of lemonbar led me to a dual bar setup haha
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2107 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 07:09:23 »
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.

Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.

What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?

I just liked the way it looked and ran (and it had lots of very nice desktop backgrounds). Otherwise it's much like using any other Ubuntu-based Xfce distro.

My biggest concern with Linux is software support/availability, so I gravitate towards Mint Xfce just to be using such a popular and well-supported distro.

I'm actually not sure what the state of upkeep is on ChaletOS as it seems to be falling by the wayside, so it might not be a great option anymore, sadly. I hadn't looked at it in a while, and it looks like last release was 2016-07-12.

That's the story with so many Linux variants.  Apricity OS comes to mind.  A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2108 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:44:33 »
Since Xfce is the only way I fly, Mint Xfce, ChaletOS, and Linux Lite have all been great for me.

Mint is my install at the moment but I'm thinking of having ChaletOS for the ThinkPad.

What is the appeal of ChaletOS over Mint Xfce for you?

I just liked the way it looked and ran (and it had lots of very nice desktop backgrounds). Otherwise it's much like using any other Ubuntu-based Xfce distro.

My biggest concern with Linux is software support/availability, so I gravitate towards Mint Xfce just to be using such a popular and well-supported distro.

I'm actually not sure what the state of upkeep is on ChaletOS as it seems to be falling by the wayside, so it might not be a great option anymore, sadly. I hadn't looked at it in a while, and it looks like last release was 2016-07-12.

That's the story with so many Linux variants.  Apricity OS comes to mind.  A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.

I suspect it's part of the curse of having so many variants -- the smaller distros often suffer lack of support and/or outright abandonment.

That's why I've stuck with Mint Xfce for a while now. It's not like they're all that different at the end of the day, but the support/updates can be the most important factor.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2109 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 16:34:41 »
That's the story with so many Linux variants.  Apricity OS comes to mind.  A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.
I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.

Antergos is very similar to Apricity, it's been around longer and not likely going anywhere.
If you still want the Mac look, install Cairo, otherwise you get almost the same thing with Antergos.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2110 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 20:31:28 »
That's the story with so many Linux variants.  Apricity OS comes to mind.  A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.
I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.

Antergos is very similar to Apricity, it's been around longer and not likely going anywhere.
If you still want the Mac look, install Cairo, otherwise you get almost the same thing with Antergos.

What surprised me the most is that the main Antergos LiveISO includes CLI as one of the desktop options. Literally something for everyone. I tried to find some Apricity ISOs about a year ago without much luck. From what I read it wasn't a bad distro.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2111 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 03:06:20 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2112 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 06:05:12 »
"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2113 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 09:05:59 »
That's the story with so many Linux variants.  Apricity OS comes to mind.  A nice spin on making Arch usable for the newb. And now gone. The beauty and tragedy of Linux is the ability for anyone to create anything, and then simply disappear.
I liked Apricity, but it seemed to have more and more (minor) problems.

Antergos is very similar to Apricity, it's been around longer and not likely going anywhere.
If you still want the Mac look, install Cairo, otherwise you get almost the same thing with Antergos.

Apricity looked pretty and was easy to use, but I'm sure it had issues under the hood because the developers lacked the time to refine it.  Which is the story of so many distros.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2114 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 12:41:06 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2115 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 19:21:10 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2116 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 19:32:17 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2117 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 19:40:06 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

What a pain it was. I mean, I definitely learned a lot doing it on both an HP and Mac, but I do not look forward to doing it again.

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2118 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 19:55:51 »
I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol
The partitioning system is so bad I honestly think it was done that way on purpose just to keep away the casuals.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2119 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 20:01:19 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

What a pain it was. I mean, I definitely learned a lot doing it on both an HP and Mac, but I do not look forward to doing it again.

Yep, my excuse is laziness. The fdisk tool was how I partitioned a few VMs (1st step), weathered 4GB USB drive (2nd step), and the desktop PC (3rd step) I'm using now.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2120 on: Fri, 22 June 2018, 22:55:52 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:

sorry im on the new meme distro, arch is officially fuddy duddy material now
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2121 on: Sat, 23 June 2018, 08:40:33 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:

sorry im on the new meme distro, arch is officially fuddy duddy material now

xbps-query -Rs void-meme-wallpapers.... dang nothing. Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2122 on: Mon, 25 June 2018, 15:47:31 »
Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.

oh boy you're one of them  :rolleyes:
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2123 on: Mon, 25 June 2018, 16:48:34 »
What kind of desktop is CLI?

"Command Line Interface" ? ... so.. the console?

A few days ago I installed Antergos on a new USB drive and one of the 'desktop' options from the LiveISO installation media (XFCE, MATE, KDE, GNOME, etc.) was just install what I need for a tty1 (CLI). I'm not sure if Antergos saved me any time when compared to installing a base system with Arch Linux but my brain thanked me during partitioning/formatting. Now I have a full bug-out OS on my keychain. lol

i urge you to get familiar with the partitioning/formatting process... it will save your ass down the road at one point or another, guaranteed :D

btw, I use Arch Linux :cool:

sorry im on the new meme distro, arch is officially fuddy duddy material now

xbps-query -Rs void-meme-wallpapers.... dang nothing. Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.

Well, atleast Arch users aren't worried about hugs.

oh boy you're one of them  :rolleyes:

Yep, you caught me. I was actually taking a break from painting an I <3 Arch Linux wall mural in my living room when I read your post. lol. But seriously, I still have quite a few more books to read before I would ever call myself an expert. Take whatever I say with whatever IPA.

   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2124 on: Mon, 25 June 2018, 17:16:01 »
LOL that's not what i meant. i was referring to your pithy nod to the freebsd CoC "conflict" between people who want people to treat each other with respect, and *******s.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2125 on: Mon, 25 June 2018, 18:30:33 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2126 on: Tue, 26 June 2018, 01:17:36 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?

yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2127 on: Tue, 26 June 2018, 10:00:31 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?

yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not

Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2128 on: Tue, 26 June 2018, 15:51:16 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?

yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not

Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?

NO ID RATHER JUST COMPLAIN >:(
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2129 on: Tue, 26 June 2018, 16:04:28 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?

yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not

Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?

NO ID RATHER JUST COMPLAIN >:(

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2130 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 19:46:00 »
Ah, I was too familiar with tongue-in-cheek references. Once again I apologise for my perceived brashness. Now that's out of way, can we continue with relevant Linux discussions?

yes. teamviewer 13 beta for linux has terrible issues with mod keys sticking between window focus/unfocus events. will i complain to teamviewer or file a bug report? of course not

Did you check the upstream for any mention of the bug?

NO ID RATHER JUST COMPLAIN >:(

Doin' it the right way  :thumb:

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2131 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 16:24:27 »
Does anyone here use OpenBSD? Or have in the past?

If so, how did you use it (what for) and what kind of computer?

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2132 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 16:43:23 »
Charger for my machine came in and it's been about a month since I've touched any Linux distro. Thankfully, and issue I was having with the Nvidia driver has been fixed since my last tinkering, but now yaourt is borked.  :blank:

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2133 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 17:34:51 »
Does anyone here use OpenBSD? Or have in the past?

If so, how did you use it (what for) and what kind of computer?

Yeah i dabble in obsd. Purely theoretically, it's my favorite operating system. The lack of "features", while I can't really complain about given the scope of the project, can make transitioning into desktop usage a bit more effort than linux or other BSDs. it's also great for plenty of server applications as long as you don't mind doing things "old school".
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2134 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 17:54:35 »
My thoughts on BSD  have always been that it's best left to servers and special purpose workstations.

It's not really a good desktop OS in the traditional sense if that's what you are after.
It's got a great mascot though.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2135 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 18:33:06 »
Does anyone here use OpenBSD? Or have in the past?

If so, how did you use it (what for) and what kind of computer?

I have a few books on the subject (Absolute OpenBSD, The Book of PF--skimmed for a second haven't really dove in) that make me believe that most use OpenBSD as a router/firewall. I have zero experience with most BSDs aside from the VM of NetBSD I have on my system atm. NetBSD is a BEAST of an installation for the average linux user (and that one is the most portable of the BSDs!), maybe not Slackware level beastiness but close. As silly as r/unixporn may sound I have seen a few OpenBSD desktops appear on that subreddit. That'll give you an idea of what hardware they run it on I guess. GH needs a dedicated sub-thread for BSD. Bring those BSD folks out of the woodwork so the rest of us can feel ridiculous.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2136 on: Mon, 09 July 2018, 20:43:50 »
My thoughts on BSD  have always been that it's best left to servers and special purpose workstations.

It's not really a good desktop OS in the traditional sense if that's what you are after.
It's got a great mascot though.

OpenBSD was supposed to have good support for the ThinkPads. I briefly messed around with it, when I had one. It's super easy to install, and the documentation is good. There's never been an official forum though, for when you feel like asking something but don't want to disturb mailing lists.

Building a router / firewall was on my list of projects but I canned that idea. Probably a little over the top for my usage. I already had a fileserver with FreeBSD that's a pain to administer from time to time.

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2137 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 19:55:03 »
My thoughts on BSD  have always been that it's best left to servers and special purpose workstations.

It's not really a good desktop OS in the traditional sense if that's what you are after.
It's got a great mascot though.

OpenBSD was supposed to have good support for the ThinkPads. I briefly messed around with it, when I had one. It's super easy to install, and the documentation is good. There's never been an official forum though, for when you feel like asking something but don't want to disturb mailing lists.

Building a router / firewall was on my list of projects but I canned that idea. Probably a little over the top for my usage. I already had a fileserver with FreeBSD that's a pain to administer from time to time.

openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2138 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:19:54 »
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)
RTFM? Who the heck does that?
Another reason is because the people using it are generally not noobs to the Unix environment.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2139 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:47:46 »
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)
RTFM? Who the heck does that?
Another reason is because the people using it are generally not noobs to the Unix environment.

I agree that generally OpenBSD users aren't new to Unix and learning on your own is part of the culture.  However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2140 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 21:11:41 »
openbsd forums aren't usually necessary for troubleshooting/tutorials given the quality of documentation it ships with :)
RTFM? Who the heck does that?
Another reason is because the people using it are generally not noobs to the Unix environment.

I agree that generally OpenBSD users aren't new to Unix and learning on your own is part of the culture.  However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.

In my mind RTFM pretty misleading. Of all the documentation I've read 1/2 of the information I'm looking for is on another man page nested within the initial man page. RTFMs

Here's an example: man mutt provides the user with possible command line arguments. If the person in question is looking for .conf variable options, they would have to scroll down to the bottom of the mutt man page and find that there is a muttrc man page. And from there they could procede to read the 3687 lines of text to find whatever .conf variables they might need.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2141 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 00:02:26 »
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.
In many cases that's exactly what they are hoping for.
It also creates a mess for people searching for an answer when Google returns 500k results and they all simply say RTFM instead of giving an answer.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2142 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 15:46:12 »
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.

that's fine, i want my peers in the professional linux/unix community to ask questions the smart way.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2143 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 15:56:58 »
Anybody using galliumos on a chromebook??

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2144 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 16:49:52 »

RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.


As if there actually WAS an FM that you could read. As always, the answer that you get depends on the question that you ask, and a newbie rarely knows precisely what and how to ask.

That was my experience, a few years ago, after piddling around with Ubuntu for a couple of years, I concluded that I wanted to try to work with OpenSUSE. What I encountered in the (so-called) Help section of the forum was a shark tank of clearly angry and frustrated (mostly) males who were simply drooling for the opportunity insult and humiliate anyone less knowledgeable than themselves. Probably around half the time, the "answers" that I got consisted of long ranting insults that never even addressed my question, and most of the other half were cryptic single lines of code with no other instructions or context. And this was for inquiries about things like how to get the wireless card in my laptop recognized.

It was a singularly ugly and off-putting experience, I am not sure that I have ever encountered anything quite like it.

Afterwards, I moved to Linux Mint Cinnamon and have been very happy since, since I am an ordinary user and don't particularly want to have to delve very deep into code.
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2145 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 16:59:00 »

RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.


As if there actually WAS an FM that you could read. As always, the answer that you get depends on the question that you ask, and a newbie rarely knows precisely what and how to ask.

That was my experience, a few years ago, after piddling around with Ubuntu for a couple of years, I concluded that I wanted to try to work with OpenSUSE. What I encountered in the (so-called) Help section of the forum was a shark tank of clearly angry and frustrated (mostly) males who were simply drooling for the opportunity insult and humiliate anyone less knowledgeable than themselves. Probably around half the time, the "answers" that I got consisted of long ranting insults that never even addressed my question, and most of the other half were cryptic single lines of code with no other instructions or context. And this was for inquiries about things like how to get the wireless card in my laptop recognized.

It was a singularly ugly and off-putting experience, I am not sure that I have ever encountered anything quite like it.

Afterwards, I moved to Linux Mint Cinnamon and have been very happy since, since I am an ordinary user and don't particularly want to have to delve very deep into code.

i would definitely like to postscript my previous post by saying end-user /desktop linux etc support communities SHOULD exist and currently are often awful. i draw a line between:
-sysadmin/devops style professional linux/unix work which SHOULD have a high experiential/knowledge barrier to entry, because the nature of the work is often very complicated
-desktop linux usage, which should ideally not force the user into using a shell or be arduous in nature just to do day-to-day tasks.

that said, most linux is free. paid support is available and exists because support is work, full stop.

glad you found a distro that works for you!
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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2146 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 17:09:22 »
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.

that's fine, i want my peers in the professional linux/unix community to ask questions the smart way.

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Seriously? I get the need for clear and concise questions, but Jesus Christ--this 'the King will read your questions now' kind of maddness is maddening.
   

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Re: What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?
« Reply #2147 on: Fri, 13 July 2018, 17:50:24 »
However, I feel like RTFM is the quintessential toxic reply that comes out of the Unix community and causes any genuinely ignorant new users to not walk, but run back to Windoze.

that's fine, i want my peers in the professional linux/unix community to ask questions the smart way.

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Don't waste your time, or ours, on crude primate politics.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#idm46060474128336

Seriously? I get the need for clear and concise questions, but Jesus Christ--this 'the King will read your questions now' kind of maddness is maddening.

esr is a ****in ****nut but most of that article is pretty spot on. that part is definitely a little dumb though haha.
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