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« on: Fri, 07 January 2011, 14:04:13 »
hello friends,

I recently have been pondering the idea of moving to china especially since their stealth fighter program has been made public and is ramping up at an exponential rate. I suspect that the job market will be very favorable in the next few years. With this in mind I have been giving it some thought about moving to China and taking up a position as illustrated below.

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 07 January 2011, 14:15:37 »
Which position would you apply for? Top or bottom?

I say do it if you're on top. Otherwise, meh.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 07 January 2011, 14:30:00 »
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:41:57 »
It would be insane, under any circumstances, and for any reason, to move to a country without free elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary. Essentially, it potentially amounts to suicide to voluntarily move to a place where one would not be free.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 07 January 2011, 17:50:50 »
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It would be insane, under any circumstances, and for any reason, to move to a country without free elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary. Essentially, it potentially amounts to suicide to voluntarily move to a place where one would not be free.


Yeah, I agree not moving to US... Still could visit one day.
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 06:18:38 »
Pff, Ekaros beat me to it.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 08:19:02 »
While I get the (dumb) joke, it makes no sense. In America we do have free elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary. It's all written into our Constitution; an important document that our current president has chosen to all but dismiss. But that's why the American people have thrown his party out of power. We are free enough to have the power to do that. Are you?

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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 08:40:19 »
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While I get the (dumb) joke, it makes no sense. In America we do have free elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary. It's all written into our Constitution; an important document that our current president has chosen to all but dismiss. But that's why the American people have thrown his party out of power. We are free enough to have the power to do that. Are you?


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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 08:48:35 »
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Huh?

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Wikileaks?

So what?? None of them make us look bad. There's hundreds of documents. Have you read them all? Also, what that guy did was illegal, which is why he's in hiding right now. Imagine if he'd leaked documents showing European secrets - it'd be the same fiasco!

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Justice system doing justice?

How is it not??? Do you live here? No. Therefore do you know how things work here? No. Maybe you pay attention to our news agencies, which promote nothing more than their own agendas, but then you are just as much a victim of propaganda as when you listen to EU new agencies =)
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 09:03:11 »
I'm sure they do. But I doubt anyone would ever want to go and check.


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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 09:59:27 »
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So what?? None of them make us look bad. There's hundreds of documents. Have you read them all? Also, what that guy did was illegal, which is why he's in hiding right now. Imagine if he'd leaked documents showing European secrets - it'd be the same fiasco!


While I appreciate your defense of jolly old 'Merica, what Assange did was not illegal.  Please set down the Fox news a bit and consider that it is the height of stupidity to defend free speech in one post, then condemn someone for doing just that.  Unless you are a Rockefeller or Morgan heir, that is, and hope to God the sheeple in our country don't wake up before you've convinced them that war is peace.  Why is it that the people you most suspect of defending the constitution (republicans) focus so much on the amendments AFTER the first one and yet are so willing to follow the mouthpieces of broadcast journalism down the "Hang the Traitor!  Send in the Ninjas to remove his balls!"

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 10:16:49 »
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Please set down the Fox news a bit and consider that it is the height of stupidity to defend free speech in one post, then condemn someone for doing just that.


There's a difference between 'freedom of speech' and 'treason'. Learn the difference, then assemble a somewhat intelligent reply.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 10:22:59 »
He went into hiding because politicians everywhere want him dealt with. Even accusations that are vague and have no solidity in a court of law create enough noise for the public to start chanting along. A fine example of this is calling what he did illegal - it's not. It is a crime for a US operative to hand out sensitive material, it is not a crime to receive or publicize it. I wouldn't want to appear in an US court of law either, there's a good chance his judge will be driving a new Porsche to work.

I wouldn't mind him leaking material that makes Europe look bad. It's never a bad thing to expose the doubleface that is going on.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 10:23:57 »
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There's a difference between 'freedom of speech' and 'treason'. Learn the difference, then assemble a somewhat intelligent reply.

Umm, how on earth someone who isn't citizen of country can commit treason? Not every person in world is an american...
Manning commited an treason and it's right to prosecute him, Assange on other hand, haven't he just like to share information...

Also, there has been some not so free laws after 2001 and a few unprovoked wars... Also do your airports look like ones of free country, or some jails for "terrorist".

Also, if there is the second amendment, why those people haven't be shotten yet?
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 10:47:57 »
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Umm, how on earth someone who isn't citizen of country can commit treason? Not every person in world is an american...
Manning commited an treason and it's right to prosecute him, Assange on other hand, haven't he just like to share information...


Well that's a good point...the illegality really comes into play in terms of "sharing" documents which are, knowingly, "classified". That is definitely illegal in this country.

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Also, there has been some not so free laws after 2001 and a few unprovoked wars... Also do your airports look like ones of free country, or some jails for "terrorist".


Yea, unfortunately because of terrorist attacks on our country we need more laws to protect ourselves from them. I don't understand your second sentence at all...have you ever actually been to an American airport?

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's ignorant Europeans who perpetuate the same propaganda that they hear from our liberal news sources who do nothing but sell their own agenda.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 10:48:37 »
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There's a difference between 'freedom of speech' and 'treason'. Learn the difference, then assemble a somewhat intelligent reply.


OK.  Having served overseas in a warzone as an infantryman and having seen many of my fellows injured or killed by roadside bombs and bullets or just severely mutilated, or when I came home and had friends commit suicide or drink themselves homeless, I feel it is my duty as a disabled vet and citizen of the US to point out to you that:

1.  It is by definition that an Australian (or any other foreign national) cannot be tried for treason in the United States unless he or she is legally an American.

2.  The First amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."  Wikileaks by their own admission and the admission of many countries is a journalistic non-profit organization.

3.  Our own government admits that WikiLeaks have done nothing illegal. : http://bit.ly/hrqElG

Do yourself a favor as an American and read up on the Pentagon Papers and what it is EXACTLY that WikiLeaks has done.  Its all fine and good to get mad at the government for wasting our money, hiking taxes and giving the financial and manufacturing sectors carte blanche to bend the American citizen over a chair, but PLEASE also get mad at the fact that they use our military (and many other countries militaries) in inappropriate ways for unconstitutional reasons, then try to hide behind the bull**** veil of "National Security."

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 11:03:50 »
Hmm, though I don't particularly like the methods that Assange is using, he is still provides an outlet for whistleblowing.
Regardless if things are classified or not, if the actions themselves are not legal (as far as I'm aware the US gov't isn't above it's own laws) something should be done about them. Unfortunately, in the case of gov't issues, they usually just get swept under the rug of "classified information" where officials hope it will never reach the light of day.

If anything, whistleblowing like what Assange is trying to do, will scare people on the various levels of gov't (perhaps even international) into making better decisions that they would have no/less problems (legal or moral).
While the content of the leaks is mostly unimportant for most of the world, except for the individuals/agencies/countries that made questionable decisions.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 11:14:02 »
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Rather undirected whistleblowing if you ask me.  Some tech sergeant sticks a USB thumb drive in and downloads whatever he can.

And then Assange determines what and when it comes out for maximum political effect for whatever agenda he has.


That kid was tried, but he also knew the consequences of his actions.  The main argument though that these cables are endangering soldiers is a crock.  Tight ROE endangers our soldiers.  Craptastic officers endanger our soldiers.  No clear goal endangers our soldiers.  Al Quaeda reading about how Putin is an "alpha male" and that the US is a big bully ******* on Wikileaks does not.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 12:19:12 »
i love it when my harmless threads turn into political battlegrounds. FWIW, Canada is the best country in the world, second to panda land.
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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 14:43:51 »
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 15:10:23 »
Crickets look damn tasty all roasty and caramelized. I do want to try that, although maybe not in a grimy backyard kitchen.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 15:13:16 »
Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up?

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 18:02:34 »
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Well that's a good point...the illegality really comes into play in terms of "sharing" documents which are, knowingly, "classified". That is definitely illegal in this country.

This turns out not to be the case. Sharing state documents if you pledged or affirmed not to share breaks federal statute, but sharing state documents without a pledge or affirmation actually breaks no federal statute.

Consider; Tom Clancy broke no laws publishing his military/state secrets. In the 90s I worked military contracts without security clearance side-by-side with people who did have security clearance. I could read certain Tom Clancy novels out loud while others with clearance would break the law to do so. Even telling me WHICH specific Clancy novels were unreadable would have been illegal for those with a clearance (not that there was any doubt, considering what technology we worked on).

Just like Clancy/his publisher, Assange/Wikileaks broke no federal US laws. Just like Clancy, Assange had to have someone in his source chain who DID break federal laws by releasing state secrets.
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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 18:52:32 »
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i love it when my harmless threads turn into political battlegrounds. FWIW, Canada is the best country in the world, second to panda land.
Good. Come here instead, and you won't have to worry about being thrown into a "black prison" for going to the nation's capital to attempt to complain about a corrupt local official.

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1.  It is by definition that an Australian (or any other foreign national) cannot be tried for treason in the United States unless he or she is legally an American.
This is certainly quite true.

However, Australia is an ally of the United States. Its soldiers fought in Korea and Vietnam. Thus, it is not beyond the realm of imagination that if he were considered to have engaged in espionage against the United States that benefited its enemies, this might be considered to be treason against Australia.

I think, though, that the poster just got "espionage" and "treason" mixed up.

As to the other points - so far, Wikileaks hasn't been releasing the sorts of things that some people have noted would be dangerous - i.e. the identities of people in repressive countries that have given information about abuses in their countries, or about dissidents in their countries and their fates, to American diplomats. If they had done that, I wouldn't see this as a free speech issue at all.

So far, while they are releasing classified material, which is generally illegal, one might recall the case of the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times wasn't successfully prosecuted for that one. However, since then, some laws were amended under Reagan... and Obama seems fully comfortable with making use of the new legal framework that Reagan gave him.

This might be surprising to some.
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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 19:24:14 »
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 19:51:22 »
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I think, though, that the poster just got "espionage" and "treason" mixed up.

As to the other points - so far, Wikileaks hasn't been releasing the sorts of things that some people have noted would be dangerous - i.e. the identities of people in repressive countries that have given information about abuses in their countries, or about dissidents in their countries and their fates, to American diplomats. If they had done that, I wouldn't see this as a free speech issue at all.

So far, while they are releasing classified material, which is generally illegal, one might recall the case of the Pentagon Papers. The New York Times wasn't successfully prosecuted for that one. However, since then, some laws were amended under Reagan... and Obama seems fully comfortable with making use of the new legal framework that Reagan gave him.

This might be surprising to some.


That's correct. Thanks for the clarification.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 08 January 2011, 21:29:39 »
If you like light viewing on subjects like wikileaks or cybersecurity, check these out:

Firstly, is Assange himself talking to the oldest interviewer I have ever seen at Al Jazeera.  While I think he probably is the kind of guy who has to have "surprise sex," he does clarify some things:
http://bit.ly/hsLpPA

Second is an acquaintance of mine.  Used to work as a voice interpreter (yeah, one of those DLI graduate guys), now works for Akami.  Long video, and somewhat dry/technical, but very informative and from a source who is on the inside.:
http://bit.ly/i6y67W

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 00:10:14 »
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Good. Come here instead, and you won't have to worry about being thrown into a "black prison" for going to the nation's capital to attempt to complain about a corrupt local official.


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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 00:18:06 »
It happens, but you don't really see it much anymore.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 10:43:43 »
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Come on, it isn't like that at all. They don't boil kittens in the least.

They almost always roast them.

Getting back to the original point, if you are seriously considering moving to China, unless you are fluent in mandarin or a local dialect, I would recommand sticking to the large cities, such as Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, or Tianjin, or Guangzhou. Hong Kong would be a decent option as well.

In all 5 of those cities, the foreign population is larger than most US cities. The shopping is good, the food is good, and the jobs are good.

Downside: they are expensive to live.
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 17:31:28 »
I have considered the pros and cons about moving to china and its safe to say that I will not be leaving pandaland. LONG LIVE THE QUEEN (of pandaland).
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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 00:10:54 »
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Oh.  Too bad.


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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 00:35:13 »
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I have considered the pros and cons about moving to china and its safe to say that I will not be leaving pandaland.
I'm confused. Doesn't that mean you've rejected the idea of moving from China? After all, that's where all the pandas come from, which is why they started appearing in zoos in the west after the thaw in relations with China.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 10:41:06 »
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I'm confused. Doesn't that mean you've rejected the idea of moving from China? After all, that's where all the pandas come from, which is why they started appearing in zoos in the west after the thaw in relations with China.


nono you got all wrong my friend, pandaland is where I live and China is country in Asia. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:44:11 »
what happens to dipole dipole interactions if the magnetic north pole moves further away from pandaland?
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:55:53 »
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It's not a problem if you have all gold fillings like I do.


Does that mean the tasty beverage spins counter-clockwise down your throat when the poles flip?

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 22:39:17 »
apparently the new jets are delta winged stealth fighters so the similarities with the F-22 are in fact, not very similar.

However Military reports have confirmed that the new stealth fighters will be infact piloted by pandas.
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 23:02:19 »
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And here I was thinking we'd all be Japanese in the future.


In one of my junior high science classes, they played a video FROM THE FUTURE.  The host of the program stepped out and gave a low bow, and said, "Konnichiwa."  He went on to show us what the future was like, and through the entire thing kept using Japanese mannerisms and alluding to our Earth's inevitable cultural takeover by Japan.

My Dad's generation thought we would all be dead by now from the nuclear holocaust.  My generation by now should be speaking Japanglish.
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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 12 January 2011, 14:10:24 »
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Australian toilets disappointed me there.

I wonder how whales recalibrate since they use magnetic north?

Edit:  Oh good.  The Whales are saved (unless the damn Chinese and Japanese get to them all first).

You forgot about the Norwegians. Never had a whale burger before; have to remember to get me a young whale.

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 12 January 2011, 14:34:53 »
I know that when I was young, I never expected that when I was older, I would hear of young people in North America learning Japanese so that they could read Japanese comic books in their original language. If someone then had told me this would happen, I would have thought that he was crazy.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 12 January 2011, 17:24:25 »
hi it's me again!
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 12 January 2011, 23:13:50 »
No, I believe it was the ancients that discovered the continent of America. They also designed the stargate system.
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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 12 January 2011, 23:44:24 »
Unless you currently live in North Korea or Somalia, you should not move to China.  I wouldn't even want to visit a country with as many human rights violations as China.
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 13 January 2011, 00:09:28 »
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Unless you currently live in North Korea or Somalia, you should not move to China.  I wouldn't even want to visit a country with as many human rights violations as China.


but they have panda rights.
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 13 January 2011, 01:01:45 »
Oh my, that was so bad I lol'd.
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black cherry, blue cherry, brown cherry, clear cherry, cherry M84, white alps, black alps, cream alps, Monterey blue alps, Fujitsu Peerless, Gateway2000 rubber dome, Keytronic rubber dome, Model M buckling spring, Model F buckling spring, futaba, black space invader

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Offline itlnstln

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Moving to China....
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 13 January 2011, 06:52:13 »
"8 inch floppy" sounds like a personal problem.


Offline Ekaros

  • Posts: 942
Moving to China....
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 18 January 2011, 11:04:54 »
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
Filco 105-key NKRO MX Browns Sw/Fi-layout|IBM Model M 1394545 Lexmark 102-key Finnish-layout 1994-03-22|Cherry G80-3000LQCDE-2 with MX CLEAR
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Dell AT102W(105-key SF) (Black ALPS)|Steelseries Steelkeys 6G(MX Black) ISO-FI-layout|Cherry G84-4400 G84-4700 Cherry MLs