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Offline manfaux

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« on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:39:59 »
hello it seems no one has posted this yet :),

I just found out that KBC (renowned for their keycaps of course) has now officially confirmed their own 40% mech is coming and taking pre-orders starting tomorrow, some major features include (tried my best to translate from the KBC-china forums):

So..they've decided to call it ------- POKER?
Standard US layout, 61 keys, Cherry Black/Blue/Browns
double-layered PCB design
detachable USB cable
6KRO under USB
4 DIP switches
PBT key caps

           

Mixed Cherry Switches with  the Pre-order version ONLY:
Cherry Blacks: Cherry Greys for the space bar, Cherry Red for ESC
Cherry Blues: Cherry Greens for the space bar, Cherry Teal(?）for ESC             Cherry Browns: Cherry Whites for space bar, Cherry Reds for ESC

           
additional features include:
Double 1.25x keycap for left CTRL when you lock WIN
Multiple case colors coming later
More KBC keycaps coming later as well.
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:40:36 »


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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:47:07 »
Oh ya the pre order price is RMB 499 (about $75 ish), they are announcing the taobao order page tomorrow.

,and aiming to ship the first batch by the 25th of this month.
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Offline stuiees

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:51:06 »
sounds.... FLASHY!  I like FLASHY!
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Offline WhiteRice

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:52:51 »
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 19:56:57 »
That's sad, I can't see the pic. Any chance we can get a link to the original Chinese page?
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Offline WhiteRice

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:07:13 »
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That's sad, I can't see the pic. Any chance we can get a link to the original Chinese page?
Copy the image url directly into your browser.
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:07:37 »
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That's sad, I can't see the pic. Any chance we can get a link to the original Chinese page?


http://bbs.kbc-china.com/thread-4657-1-1.html

there you go

picture uploaded to geekhack for those who can't see.
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Offline toast

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:08:27 »
Pic didn't show up for me either, grabbed it out of page source.

http://qq.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/c/4/kbc/attachments/day_110111/11011107246299d780108001e2.jpg
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Offline kidchunks

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:14:30 »
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Yaay.  DIP Switches.  

HHKB clones!  More the merrier!

At a fraction of the price!

Looks nice, but I'll pass until a few review it.

Obook is going to have a field day with this one I reckon!
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:16:56 »
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At a fraction of the price!

Looks nice, but I'll pass until a few review it.

Obook is going to have a field day with this one I reckon!


The taobao page was up just now and the first 50 are gone in about 10 minutes, the reviews should be out in a couple of days.
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:25:11 »
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Yeah but all the reviews will be in Chinese.

Can't even keep Blue and Green straight.


I'll try to translate some reviews when they are out,

about the green and blues..ya... the Chinese are calling the cherry blues "青" , which literally means teal.. kinda confusing
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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:20:42 »
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The taobao page was up just now and the first 50 are gone in about 10 minutes, the reviews should be out in a couple of days.


Damn, didn't think these were jordans.
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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:24:38 »
Can someone link to the relevant taobao pages?
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:32:05 »
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Can someone link to the relevant taobao pages?


http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail.htm?item_num_id=3793885866

http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail.htm?item_num_id=7593882416

http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail.htm?item_num_id=3309967612

for Cherry browns/blacks/blues receptively, the pages are up but they are all oos right now.
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Offline TexasFlood

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:44:34 »
If it only had a trackpointer...
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 23:04:21 »
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If it only had a trackpointer...


lol, the Miniguru?
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Offline laden3

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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 23:13:00 »
so, anyone fast enough to grab one?
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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 23:44:27 »
This definitely reminds more of the miniguru than the HHKB. What some people can't seem to get is that it isn't size that makes a HHKB clone. It's also layout.

Give me cherry clear with the HHKB layout, and I would consider it. Give me BS with the HHKB layout, and I'm pulling out my wallet.
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:24:08 »
I'm actually kind of interested in one of these, if they ever get not so hard to get... I'm surprised they aren't offering an MX Red board also, sounds like they can get reds.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 02:22:44 »
I stumbled upon a Taobao page with these KBC 40% yesterday, but didn't think it was special as there were no pictures of the keyboard. Looks like an interesting one tho. I might pick one up if they get more easily available.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 03:49:23 »
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Offline taswyn

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 03:54:51 »
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Double 1.25x keycap for left CTRL when you lock WIN

sold on that & browns almost alone =P Except for it being already sold out =( And except for having *just* bought a Cherry 8200 that's not even here yet.

... I wonder if those are standard 1×2Cherry matrix board keys? That would fit on any other Cherry board with that sized control and win keys? =0
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 04:53:19 »
where can we see the layout?
also, are the switches PCB-mounted (ie. hackable)?
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 04:59:29 »
Quote from: bakageta;276492
I'm actually kind of interested in one of these, if they ever get not so hard to get... I'm surprised they aren't offering an MX Red board also, sounds like they can get reds.


Usually red stock in boards like the Ducky and this is from desoldered G80s. :cool: That is why they are always used in "limited editions".
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:23:33 »
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where can we see the layout?
also, are the switches PCB-mounted (ie. hackable)?


It sounds like pcb-mounted from the google translate description... It says double pcb, no plate. I definitely plan to pick one of these up once they're not instantly selling out and once they're using the same switch for every key, hopefully in a nice white.

I'm not a huge fan of linear switches, so it'll be browns or blues for me... I already have one brown board with another on the way, so I'd like to get blues, but I already know I have issues with doubletaps on blues, which means this would be purely for typing... Definitely my ideal portable layout though, ANSI standard in HHKB's size is perfect for hauling around without having to get used to a different layout.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:42:39 »
they will post a link in KBC forum on 8 PM (+8). Only 5 browns,2 blacks, 2 blues are available. be quick.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 06:05:55 »
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What some people can't seem to get is that it isn't size that makes a HHKB clone. It's also layout.

This.

When I'm using a keyboard other then my HHKB, I feel like I am missing keys.  The HHKB layout is truly genius IMHO.
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Offline Fiasco

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 10:01:00 »
CHERRY TEAL means as below:

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Offline urlwolf

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 14:12:45 »
What time frame are we talking about with 'taking preorders'?
I have a friend coming to EU from China in 20 days...
What does the chococ have over this apart from the NRKO-in-us? I like this better because it's not plate-mounted...
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:31:22 »
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What time frame are we talking about with 'taking preorders'?
I have a friend coming to EU from China in 20 days...
What does the chococ have over this apart from the NRKO-in-us? I like this better because it's not plate-mounted...


the pre-order is done and finished, no more orders can be placed until Jan 25th, which is when mass production model will start shipping I believe.

well this is a 40% board, lacking some of the keys compared to a choc mini, definitely more portable than the choc mini i'd say. (0.5 KG, a little over a pound in weight)
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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:51:59 »
I never understood the title of this post. Are we talking about 40% discount for pre-orders or am I missing something here?
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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:53:28 »
The "40%" is the name of a keyboard KBC is putting out that is around the size of the HHKB (about 40% of the keys on 104-key layout).  I think they renamed it to "Poker."
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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:03:42 »
Quote from: laden3;276606
they will post a link in KBC forum on 8 PM (+8). Only 5 browns,2 blacks, 2 blues are available. be quick.


Laden3, if you are going to order one tonight, order two, I'll drive out to your place to buy one off of you :)

Hope these become more widely available.  Although I think the choc mini might win cause it has arrow keys.
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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:07:08 »
Looks interesting... >.>
Seems I have to delay my taobao order (white engraved KBC caps and white Ducky 108s)
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« Reply #35 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:28:51 »
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If it only had a trackpointer...


Quote from: manfaux;276454
lol, the Miniguru?


Exactly...
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:37:43 »
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"Poker" I can handle.  I think I once did the numbers and 40% wasn't technically accurate.

I think it's more a -40% board, it's technically closer to 60% of the keys of a standard board.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:22:15 »
I would want one of these for sure when the info explain us How the Layout is working.

Anyway I find a bit disgusting the way they did the pre-orders just because this mean nobody will be able to get those mixed Cherry in the Keyboard anymore I supose and that's bad. It will be better if all the keyboards have those mixed Cherry inside.

I have  a lot of pics from this keyboard and didn't know finally was going to come out.

If I'm not wrong:









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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:23:29 »
If it's PCB mounted, mixed cherries is very easy to achieve.

Honestly, having a mixed cherry board is a little crazy, a huge gimmick in my opinion.

Although I wonder what is meant by cherry teal switch.
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« Reply #39 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:24:43 »
if it only had arrow keys....
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« Reply #40 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:26:01 »
bakageta, I was just going to say that. The HHKB has 60 keys. This has 61 keys. A "normal" keyboard has 104 keys (ANSI). So this is 1 key shy of 60%: so 40% fewer keys than normal.

It might also be 40% of the normal footprint...but I can't say that for sure without measurements.

Anyway, has anyone noticed that ESC is on the second layer? That's truly awful, if they are going after the HHKB market, as some here seem to think. This is on top of the lack of a proper layout.

I still don't understand why, if they are going to go moving things around, they don't put the control key back where the Gods intended it to be: to the left of the A key.
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« Reply #41 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:31:22 »
It has embedded arrow keys. Interestingly enough, on the WASD keys.
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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:43:32 »
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bakageta, I was just going to say that. The HHKB has 60 keys. This has 61 keys. A "normal" keyboard has 104 keys (ANSI). So this is 1 key shy of 60%: so 40% fewer keys than normal.

It might also be 40% of the normal footprint...but I can't say that for sure without measurements.

Anyway, has anyone noticed that ESC is on the second layer? That's truly awful, if they are going after the HHKB market, as some here seem to think. This is on top of the lack of a proper layout.

I still don't understand why, if they are going to go moving things around, they don't put the control key back where the Gods intended it to be: to the left of the A key.

im morr worried about the Delete key position, as pictured here:

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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 17:46:54 »
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Laden3, if you are going to order one tonight, order two, I'll drive out to your place to buy one off of you :)

Hope these become more widely available.  Although I think the choc mini might win cause it has arrow keys.


I only have 1... and it isn't confirmed yet until I actually find a way to pay them and the keyboard actually arrived...
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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 19:36:50 »
It is sort of an odd place, but I sort of see why they did it. It keeps what I think of as the "navigation block" all together.
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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 21:30:34 »
We call keyboards like 1087 '80%',  if cut the 'arrows and del pgup hom' from 80% we call it 60%, if cut the F1~F12 from 60% we call it 40%.
If cut the '1~0 backspace' from 40% we call it freaky 30%...
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 21:33:31 »
imsto when are you going to ship to your adoring geekhacker buddies :D
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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 21:57:08 »
My HHKB Lite and Lite 2 are seeing heavy daily duty and wearing out fast.
I need an affordable replacement.
Could this keyboard be it?

How can I order?
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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 22:00:30 »
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imsto when are you going to ship to your adoring geekhacker buddies :D


I will ship batch by batch except the one in Finland, I will send it directly.
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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 11 January 2011, 23:23:59 »
Quote from: theferenc;277038
bakageta, I was just going to say that. The HHKB has 60 keys. This has 61 keys. A "normal" keyboard has 104 keys (ANSI). So this is 1 key shy of 60%: so 40% fewer keys than normal.

It might also be 40% of the normal footprint...but I can't say that for sure without measurements.

Anyway, has anyone noticed that ESC is on the second layer? That's truly awful, if they are going after the HHKB market, as some here seem to think. This is on top of the lack of a proper layout.

I still don't understand why, if they are going to go moving things around, they don't put the control key back where the Gods intended it to be: to the left of the A key.

I wonder if the DIP switches might change things like caps to ctrl, and ` to esc... Anyway, I don't see what you mean about "if they're going to go moving things around," it looks to me like the top layer is your typical ANSI layout, no keys moved, just right alt replaced with Fn to access the removed keys.

Layout looks fine to me, coming from a typical Filco tenkeyless... I'm not certain how I feel about esc on the second layer, but I'd have to use it first to see for sure. If these get produced in enough quantity that I can grab a couple later, I'll probably pick up a blue and a black, and ghetto-mod the black to reds, just to try them out.
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