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Offline dec.net

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As I've posted in another thread, I am right now looking for a carry-around board for daily usage, and particularly concerned about my unusually high needs for ruggedness and stability. I have already identified the Cherry G80-1800 I received from Ascaii as a very possible candidate judging by the size and the blue MX switches I swapped into it, but the testing has only started, and my concerns about its rather simplistic construction (read: plastic case, PCB, no reinforement whatsoever) aren't quite overcome.

So I bought myself some unknown keyboard from ebay.de, thinking that just maybe it could help with improvements on the G80-1800 or maybe even turn out to just be a somewhat reinforced G8x-1800, which it does resemble quite a bit.



Overall, the case felt rather promising - a lot heavier and more stable than the Cherry 1800. The rear looked promising, too, a lot of screws and a rather solid cable grip.



Model 102 W, Made on the 30th of August 1991 by DS Keyboard Technic GmbH, Radolfzell/Germany. In fact, the company does still exist, and they seem to be still selling exactly the same model, advertising their membrane technology - so after all, it's not THAT obscure a thing as my thread titles tries to make it appear, lureing you in to have a look at my blurry crap-pics of doom. I do like the address sticker, by the way - my father used to have exactly the same when I was younger, using it to "stamp" letters and such. I guess you could get them very cheaply and readily in Germany at some point. Very classy to use that sort of thing on an industrial keyboard - it pretty much whispers "Gerda, do you mind if I borrow some of those letter stickers you girls use in the office? I just ran out of our official logo stickers, you know..." to me. :)


Pulling the keys reveals doubleshots - YAY! And a connector that looks like Cherry MX, covered in a rubber membrane - or does it? Nope, since it's exactly the other way around on these, male part on keycap and female part on keystem. Bugger.



Let's open the case then, and see what lurks inside...



A custom-made PCB. Oh dear. With crappy soldering. And coming from the king of "that'll do"-soldering, that does mean something. *I* don't leave PCBs with so many cold spots or as dirty as they come from this factory (or to be fair, perhaps it was repaired at one point by a technician during his lunch break). The black stuff on the second pic below, that is soldering residue, a lot of it.




Oh dear. Have a look at the top then, all caps removed. A rather thick and quality-feeling rubber sheet, also serving as a lid to waterproof the PCB.



Under the rubber mat, we have buttons...



The buttons from the underside reveal some stabilizer bars. Didn't expect that at this point anymore, to be honest, but I didn't have the chance to look at too many waterproof industrial keyboards' internals yet.



And on the actual keyboard, we find another rubber membran.



So, obviously, I've no idea what to do with that thing. The case might be G80-1800 compatible, the keycaps obviously aren't - though they might be made to fit by cutting the button stems, but well - they are nice, but not all that interesting, also they have smaller Enter, Backspace and Alt, which I don't care for too much...

Any ideas, comments, buying offers?

Chris
« Last Edit: Tue, 11 January 2011, 13:15:07 by dec.net »
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

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It has got an I-shape enter key!!!

For sure you must get it an report to us how it is.

PS: would be grerat if you could scale your images a bit. Most of us have only screen-resoultions of around 1280x800, or so.
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Offline dec.net

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I do have it on my table right now... I'm not typing on it though, a single press did reveal the obvious - mushy, rubbery, needs to be bottomed out. I'll get to fixing the pics - I was just lazy and took them from my cellphone exactly like they came.

Chris
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

Offline dec.net

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Alright, pics fixed (1600x1200, a good compromise I hope) :).

About modding it to mechanical switches - well, of course that's possible. But on the other hand,  what would warrant the effort? If you want to use like that, that would require to fix all the buttons in a way that they accept standard switches, since this 1800-like layout uses some rather special keys... but if I went to these lengths, I already have a very similar looking board that just needs some doubleshots. In which case, the rest of the keyboard is useless, apart from the case perhaps. I just checked, of course, it's close to G8x-1800, but not quite. Who would have guessed, another negative.



But don't fear, I don't learn from experience that easily... so expect some more random keyboards to appear in here in all the camera-phone goodness I can provide in the near future :).

Chris
« Last Edit: Tue, 11 January 2011, 13:34:39 by dec.net »
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

Offline dec.net

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Oh, now I see what you're talking about...

Actually, not a bad idea, although I should be too busy at the moment (but in reality spend my time on geekhack instead of working) to get anything like that done realistically.

Chris
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

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Alright, pics fixed (1600x1200, a good compromise I hope) :).

About modding it to mechanical switches - well, of course that's possible - but on the other hand, why would you? The first thing that springs to mind is of course to just put the G80-1800 internals in the rather sturdy case. Well, turns out that won't work very easily either...


So if I want to use it all by itself, I would in pretty much every case need to fix all the buttons in a way that they accept standard switches, since this 1800-like layout uses some rather special keys... but if I went to these lengths, I already have a very similar board that just needs some doubleshots. In which case, the rest of the keyboard is useless.

But don't fear, I don't learn from experience that easily... so expect some more random keyboards to appear in here in all the camera-phone goodness I can provide in the near future :).

Chris


Sorry for being impolite!

The point is simply that these rwally bad quality images look even worse at these magnifications.

There might be people who have 1600 pixel wide monitors, but you should think about people like, ... er like, ...  MW!

He is a troll ... yes.

But he is a human being after all, isn't he?



BTW: I figured a phone number on the manufacturer label, maybe they still exist (even though the 4 digit Postcode indicates it's at least 17 years old) and can answer all your questions?
« Last Edit: Tue, 11 January 2011, 13:41:27 by 7bit »
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Offline dec.net

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I guess they do, and they still sell the same keyboards...
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

Offline dec.net

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Well, at least on my system geekhack does rescale the pictures already by itself... have to click a little bar on top to see them in their full glory. I don't know how that'll work for MW, though, don't know wether IE5 supports it...
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)

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I guess they do, and they still sell the same keyboards...



Awesome keyboards they have:
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Offline dec.net

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^Looks exactly like the ones you see on a money transfer machine or public computer terminal - protected against water, intrusion and vandalism, but still missing keypresses after the first week of use :).

Ok, guys, you've convinced me to not post any more camera phone pics at more than 640x480.
Daily drivers at home: \'93 IBM Model M; Currently: Model F XT (hebrew layout), adapted via Teensy.
Daily driver at University: Marquardt HEROS miliary board.
Take-with-me-board: G80-1800 (blue/black).
Boards I don\'t use: DS 102W (cherry 1800 lookalike, waterproof industrial case with ultra-mushy membrane switches). Dell AT102W (don\'t like it too much, very uneven feeling - last chance is to teflon-coat the sliders)