Author Topic: Keyboard with rollover on gaming keys (Read 8275 times)

Biffleur · « **on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 08:47:46 »

Hello

I made a previous thread, but I didn't use the good words so it ended in a discussion about this, and in the end I'm still looking for a keyboard, so I thought I'd make a clean thread without mistakes so people wouldn't cringe reading it.

I'm looking for a keyboard which has a matrix that allows me to press the 4 arrows + space and wasd + space at the same time, or which has key rollover on those keys. For 40€, robust for gaming.

I tried the Mircosoft Sidewinder x4 and the I-Rocks KR-6220G-BK, it didn't fit what i wanted.

You'll probably think about expensive gaming keyboard with NKRO, but I used to own "basic" keyboards (keytronic) which worked just fine. And that's the kind of keyboard what I'm looking for.

Sorry if I persevere, but this is the best place to talk about keyboards on the net, so there must be someone who has an idea

Thank you

keyboardlover · « **Reply #1 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 09:32:23 »

It's easy to assume that regular keyboards (2kro) work fine when in reality while gaming how well you do using multiple keypresses depends really how quickly you are doing it, how quickly you are "double-tapping" and in what order. However, I can guarantee that regular keyboards are not sending all 4 keypresses to the computer (when they are pressed at the same time) correctly. What you really need is a keyboard with 6-kro over usb. Check the aforementioned link in my sig for more info. (The one about 6-KRO, NOT the one about Taeyeon - she's mine!) Hope this helps.

Biffleur · « **Reply #2 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 10:38:56 »

keyboardlover I already read it

ripster Newegg don't sale worldwide, like most of sites from USA.... I'm french so I can buy only in Europe.

I can't translate "fickiness", but like I said, I used to own some basic keyboard which had atleast 6KRO... And I don't need macros screen and all that ****, just a basic keyboard.

bugfix · « **Reply #3 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 10:41:32 »

Well, if you're not willing to pay more than 40€ you're pretty much out of options.

Also fickiness = critique mesquine

Biffleur · « **Reply #4 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 11:41:56 »

So the 2 keytronic I had (30€) and even my first lame Microsoft kb it was just luck that they didn't have keylock on those keys?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 11:42:45 »

No, it was probably PEBKAC.

Biffleur · « **Reply #6 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 11:54:47 »

I said I had no problem so your trolling doesn't fit here

keyboardlover · « **Reply #7 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:05:05 »

Quote from: Biffleur;281106

I said I had no problem so your trolling doesn't fit here

And yours does?

Biffleur · « **Reply #8 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:14:28 »

You're the one who is off topic here, not me.

bugfix · « **Reply #9 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:17:41 »

Just save a little. I mean how long can it take to scrape together ~70€ ?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #10 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:25:15 »

Just buy another freakin' KeyTronic and stop complaining! Jeez...you'd think I tried to raise your retirement age by a year or something!

laden3 · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 12:27:36 »

someone showed you something good, I guess you missed it
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=273523&postcount=25

Biffleur · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:06:16 »

Keytronic are only for sale in America now. So please get a clue or don't bother posting in this thread if you have nothing to say

Bugfix you have an idea for 70€?

bugfix · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:10:28 »

Razer Blackwidow.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:16:26 »

Quote from: Biffleur;281164

Keytronic are only for sale in America now. So please get a clue or don't bother posting in this thread if you have nothing to say

Ok, sorry didn't realize that. Was just trying to help so please don't make any Molotov cocktails or destroy your fuel supplies on account of not knowing how NKRO works.

Biffleur · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:15:21 »

I don't need NKRO.. sigh

About the Blackwidow :

http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/869461-razer-blackwidow-review.html

"Limitations of the matrix design are met at the arrow keys. Pressing more than two of any arrows at once is not possible."

itlnstln · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:17:17 »

If you're going to spend the money, just go NKRO; the other "solutions" are not very optimal.

Otherwise, you might as well just wave the white flag and surrender to crappy keyboards.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 17:55:27 »

Am I that different? Guess I'm just full of beans lately

...or maybe it's the red cherries?

keyboardlover · « **Reply #18 on:** Wed, 19 January 2011, 17:59:35 »

Biffleur · « **Reply #19 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 07:17:34 »

Quote from: ripster;281443

Like I said earlier I doubt the rubber dome

What was wrong with the Sidewinder X4 again?

Slow reaction not to say no reaction at all. And some keys felt like cheap plastic

arc2 · « **Reply #20 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 13:44:23 »

Quote from: Biffleur;281652

Slow reaction not to say no reaction at all. And some keys felt like cheap plastic

Slow reaction, weird. My X4 did not suffer this problem as far as I am aware. Sounds like something was faulty, somewhere.

Azuremen · « **Reply #21 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:57:44 »

Biffluer, just going to come out and say it.

You sound like an *******.

Now that is out of the way, your keytronic wasn't any different than any other keytronic, which means you are not pressing all those keys at once despite how awesome gosu you may think you are.

You came in here, saying you didn't know that much and looking for advice, and all I've seen is smart ass responses and insults to people giving you actual answers.

Stop being a cheap ass and just buy an NKRO keyboard, since I don't think any have a matrix that support 10kro outside of the Sidewinder X4 (which you claim has latency issues lol)

itlnstln · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:00:03 »

Quote from: Azuremen;281833

Biffluer, just going to come out and say it.

You sound like an *******.

Now that is out of the way, your keytronic wasn't any different than any other keytronic, which means you are not pressing all those keys at once despite how awesome gosu you may think you are.

You came in here, saying you didn't know that much and looking for advice, and all I've seen is smart ass responses and insults to people giving you actual answers.

Stop being a cheap ass and just buy an NKRO keyboard, since I don't think any have a matrix that support 10kro outside of the Sidewinder X4 (which you claim has latency issues lol)

Seconded. Don't come here for help, and then **** on everybody in the process. So far, the only problems I have seen described have been user-related.

bugfix · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:00:48 »

Quote from: Azuremen;281833

You sound like an *******.

More like a croissant.

itlnstln · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:04:31 »

Maybe I shoudn't have put that whole "surrender" thing in my first response.

itlnstln · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:05:09 »

Quote from: ripster;281842

You guys are rude. He's french. It could be worse. He could be French-Canadian.

Fixed.

bugfix · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:10:27 »

Quote from: ripster;281842

You guys are rude. He's french. It could be worse. He could be german.

I always thought you guys hated the french more than us ;-(

Azuremen · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:10:28 »

Quote from: bugfix;281840

More like a croissant.

Avec merde?

Quote from: itlnstln;281848

Fixed.

Agreed. I think the only people that like French-Canadians are other French-Canadians, and even then I'm not sure.

bugfix · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:11:03 »

Quote from: Azuremen;281854

Avec merde?

Ah oui.

Biffleur · « **Reply #29 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:20:25 »

Uh, what a load of bull****. Cool story bro.

Rispter, I said it in my previous topic, for exemple if I stroked the space bar really fast it would register only 3-4 keystrokes. I don't think I dreamed, I don't send keyboards back just for fun lol.

Biffleur · « **Reply #30 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:27:01 »

Quote from: itlnstln;281837

Seconded. Don't come here for help, and then **** on everybody in the process. So far, the only problems I have seen described have been user-related.

Except I didn't **** on anyone here, just told some guy who was starting to troll he was off-topic. Read carefully next time

arc2 · « **Reply #31 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:34:25 »

What about the advice you have been given, the Raptor K1 ? No opinion on that, good idea/ bad idea huh ?

Biffleur · « **Reply #32 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:37:09 »

They only sell it in Germany/Austria

Soarer · « **Reply #33 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:38:06 »

Raptor? They ship pretty much anywhere. You should get your facts right :-p

Biffleur · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:42:14 »

Now that you say this, the space is one of the keys which as I said, felt like cheap plastic. Dunno if it has something to do with the problem I explained.

Soarer · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:42:55 »

Funny how they were quite happy to ship to me in the UK then. Yes, bought via ebay.

arc2 · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:54:56 »

Quote from: ripster;281879

You should read my posts.

Ripster, I have a life and a job, I don't have that amount of time on my hands

Soarer · « **Reply #37 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 15:56:57 »

Yes, those.

As typical, their English was better than my German. I probably asked for a ship to come to the UK via keyboardistan.

Biffleur · « **Reply #38 on:** Thu, 20 January 2011, 16:05:46 »

http://www.shop-016.de/shop2/index.php?user=raptor&clang=uk&hkat=5&proid=294&skat=6

There's this one coming in February, only 20 €

The "low noise typing" makes me cringe though, usually the feeling isn't really nice

Biffleur · « **Reply #39 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 08:01:27 »

G'day folks.

Does the Roccat Arvo fits what I'm looking for? It says anti-ghosting (I know, bad term), but is it on arrows too?

Same with the Cyborg Gamer V1, very low price keyboard, is it any good?

Thank you

dec.net · « **Reply #40 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 08:25:49 »

Another suggestion: If you want a rather inexpensive (€19,90 buy it now for used stock) keyboard with full NKRO and double-shot keycaps that also brings a bit of authentic military-feeling to your gaming set, try the Marquardt HEROS keyboard. As long as you're able to live with the layout and find the means to adapt the plug to "normal" PS/2 (cut off an old joystick cable and an old keyboard PS/2 cable, solder four wires, you're done) it's a rather nice board to live with. The case color is much easier to change on these than on any other board since it's all aluminium - sandblast it, spraypaint it, treat it with a wire brush, whatever you like.

Yes I realize it says "Germany only" in the auction description, but I'm pretty sure he'll ship to France if you ask nicely (and pay up front), and if you're uncertain I could ask the seller for you.

Chris

Biffleur · « **Reply #41 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 08:35:45 »

Thanks for your help but the layout is awful + used stock

I think I'll buy the Saitek Cyborg v1, if anyone has any info on this keyboard it will be appreciated

keyboardlover · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:16:51 »

One other option not mentioned: move to a country with decent keyboards

bugfix · « **Reply #43 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:20:09 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;282270

One other option not mentioned: move to a country with decent keyboards

Or stop being poor.

itlnstln · « **Reply #44 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:23:04 »

Quote from: bugfix;282273

Or stop being poor.

ItlnStln likes this.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #45 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:27:04 »

LolOmgBBQroflcopter.

bugfix · « **Reply #46 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:30:30 »

I mean seriously, why not just wait a little and buy something decent instead of blowing money on cheap crap?

Buy cheap, buy twice.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #47 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:39:36 »

Agreed with bugfix about the cheap thing.

Biffleur · « **Reply #48 on:** Fri, 21 January 2011, 10:51:59 »

All my fanclub is here, nice

ripster it's this one http://img.achetezfacile.com/photo/02575058.jpg

How about the Roccat Arvo then? It says keys are not noisy and feel like laptop, it was the case on the I-rocks (ABS keys) and i'm still having nightmares about this

And there is anti ghosting on wasd but dunno about arrows and space

Biffleur · « **Reply #49 on:** Tue, 25 January 2011, 17:18:42 »

Searching for a kb for ages it got me thinking what is the most important thing I'm looking for. Because for exemple, the I-rocks I had didn't have ghosting but the keys felt so awkward I sent it back straight away.

Right now I have the Cherry RS 6000 (Membrane apparently http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=675) And I like the feeling of the keys and its reaction. I've stumbled across a thread here and apparently all the membrane keyboards are 2KRO.

So if someone knows a keyboard similar to this and with the features I want (key rollover or a matrix that register wasd + arrows + space), let me know please

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Author Topic: Keyboard with rollover on gaming keys (Read 8275 times)