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Offline Sam

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 25 January 2011, 19:30:09 »
That's an awesome Model F Space Saver.

Offline Pylon

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 25 January 2011, 19:35:20 »
Hmm, it was made in Armonk, NY.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 25 January 2011, 19:43:07 »
cool :D

oh kishyyyyyyyy! :)

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Offline Sam

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 25 January 2011, 19:55:24 »
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Hmm, it was made in Armonk, NY.

I was wondering about that before on some of the old Beam Spring boards.  I have an IBM 3727 board that has a label saying it's made in Armonk, but the bottom of the case next to where the label is attached says Canada IBM.  I had heard that all the Beam Springs were made in Canada.  I haven't opened it up yet to see what markings might be inside.  It has a cover on the bottom holding the user's manual, which was printed in the USA, so maybe they print the manual, attach it so it's part of the unit, and say it's made in Armonk.

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Offline Sam

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 25 January 2011, 20:00:14 »
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Please do NOT buy these as parts donors - they are rare.

I sort of doubt anyone with any sense would pay $50 for one of these just to use as a donor.  There are lots of much cheaper common terminal boards around.  I've seen donor boards on eBay often go for the $5-$10 range.

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 26 January 2011, 07:18:52 »
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I was wondering about that before on some of the old Beam Spring boards.  I have an IBM 3727 board that has a label saying it's made in Armonk, but the bottom of the case next to where the label is attached says Canada IBM.  I had heard that all the Beam Springs were made in Canada.  I haven't opened it up yet to see what markings might be inside.  It has a cover on the bottom holding the user's manual, which was printed in the USA, so maybe they print the manual, attach it so it's part of the unit, and say it's made in Armonk.


Was it this thing here? -



I saw it on eBay a few months back marked as a 3727 terminal keyboard, but it looks the same as the 3101 keyboard. Possibly a subvariant of the 3101 for some particular machine.

As for those Made in USA labels, the one on that one I saw on eBay was the same style as the 3178 Model Fs -



I wouldn't take that to say that they were made in Armonk... From what I understand, Armonk is an affluent suburb in New York where IBM has their headquaters, rather I think they are just referring to that it was made by IBM as a company.

What's interesting is that none of the other Model Fs of the time had labels like that. I have a theory that the 3178 Model F was made from spare 3278 keyboard PCBs because they are basically the same keyboard with a different external casing. I'd say that wherever IBM made Beam Spring keyboards in the US, they also made those 3178 boards.

The fact that at least some of it says that it's made in Canada is not surprising. It's possible that it was partially assembled in the US but most of the parts originated in Canada.

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They date to 1983 and are for the first gen 3290 terminals, and possibly also the 5080 thingamabob (can't confirm this yet).


Given the description from the 5080 graphics terminal, I'm completely convinced that it used the exact same keyboard. Even if it had a different P/N, it would have had the same internal arrangement and more than likely the same connector options for use with the LPFK.

Offline Sam

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 26 January 2011, 07:45:02 »
The top of mine looks exactly like that picture, except the lighter colored keys are gray without any really noticeable shade of blue to them like in that picture.  Though that could just be the camera/lighting.

My label is a bit different, as well as the model number.  Mine was made later, in week 22 of 1984.  No plant number listed.  The manual inserted in the holder underneath is titled, "3727 Operator Console Reference and Problem Analysis Guide".  Inside the guide it shows how to connect the keyboard and monitor to the 3727 base unit, and mentions the 3727 connects to a 3725.  The 3705, 3720 and 3725 were a family of products for connecting to IBM mainframes via their proprietary SNA (Systems Network Architecture) networking protocol.  The 3101 was totally different as it was ASCII and used asynchronous serial communications.

I'll have to snap some pics of my board and base unit when I get the chance.  But it'll likely be a couple weeks being I'll soon be heading out on an extended business trip.

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 26 January 2011, 07:51:18 »
A lot of different terminals were actually based off the 3101 design - such as the later 3178, even though they didn't work in the same way. The 3101's keyboard has the same physical key arrangement as the 3278 with a different mapping of characters and functionality.

How did the 3720 differ from the 3270 series? Do you have any pics of your keyboard?

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as well as the model number


The label I showed is for a completely different keyboard, used as an example of where they said "Made in USA by IBM, Armonk, NY"

Offline Sam

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 26 January 2011, 08:22:21 »
I didn't buy my keyboard off eBay, so there's no eBay pictures to show you and I don't have my digital camera with me right now.  Here's what the label says though:

IDENTIFICATION NO. 310X-23-N0338
MODEL 00 0
PART NO. 5641316
DATE OF MFG 22-1984
MADE IN U.S.A FOR IBM
ARMONK, NY, USA

Then there's a small label to the right of that, "3727-A2697"

Stamped into the case below those two labels is, "Rd 1979 CANADA, INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES CORPORATION"

The keyboard connector is a 15-pin D-Sub.

So actually in re-reading the label, I see it says it was "made in U.S.A. for IBM" not "made in U.S.A. by IBM".  That's a bit interesting.  As you say, could easily have been assembled in the USA from parts shipped from Canada.

I have no idea of how this differs from the 327x boards.  I've been dying to get one of those, but so far everyone that has one doesn't want to part with it.

Here's a picture of a different IBM board, the "hernia inducer" that was mentioned a few months ago here for several of these that were sold on eBay.  These pictures are from Webwit's site.  My guess would be that this and mine were both designed/manufactured by the same people being they look so similar.
http://webwit.nl/input/ibm_beam_spring/rojon/