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Offline Rockmaninoff

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Hi all, first post, but I've been lurking a bit.  I'm looking for advice on the BlackWidow Ultimate vs. the XArmor U9BL as my first mechanical keyboard.

Just as a background, the reason I chose these two is because I really want the backlighting, and I think I'll prefer the Cherry MX Blue switches.  My first choice would have been the Filco Majestouch with Cherry MX Browns, but those aren't readily available and they don't have backlighting.  I do mostly typing and some light gaming with the keyboard.  Nothing too major, just the random shooter or driver here or there.  Mostly typing.

I'm most concerned with longevity, reliability, and build quality.

Here's where my thinking is right now:

Razer BlackWidow Ultimate
Pros: I like the font on the keyboard more.  I prefer the placement of the USB port and audio ports, since I have the keyboard on a slide out tray.  Metal plate as a backing.  Dedicated Function key to control media (not a big deal).  Macro keys could be useful, but I get around fine without them right now.

Cons: No NKRO (do I really need it?).  Only 1 USB port (not a big deal).  Glossy finish will be tough to clean regularly.  Keycap finishing?  Build quality?

XArmor U9BL
Pros: Full NKRO (again, do I need it?).  2 USB ports.  I like the look of the status area better.  Full matte finish, less cleaning.  Comes with some sweet sweet orange keycaps.

Cons: No steel plate backing?  Keycap finishing?  Build quality?

So I guess my biggest questions right now are:

Do I need NKRO?

How does the build quality compare on the two keyboards?

How do the keycaps compare on the two keyboards?

Which keyboard do you think would last me longer?

If you can chime in on any of my pros/cons and why they're right or wrong, that would also be very helpful.

I think the prices of the two would be pretty much equal; I'd be getting an educational discount with the XArmor, so I imagine it'd be around $110, and the Razer is also in that same range.

Offline hfcobra

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 18:02:54 »
the U9BL does have a steel backplate, and the NKRO can help, but usually people dont need it.  I think the build quality for the U9BL is better than the blackwidow. Also, the keycaps are made the way the buttons on cell phones these days are made, have you ever seen a cell phone with worn out keys?  I have not....ever.    My phone is still like new for the keys at least and i send 50-100 texts a day.

It really all comes down to how much abuse the keys take and how much you need the macro keys.

+1 to U9BL
Own/Love: REɅLFORCE 87UB EK Edition 45g

Have owned/used: Realforce 103-UB, XArmor U9BL, Filco Majestouch 104-key with Cherry MX Blues, Browns, and Reds, Steelseries 6gv2, Leopold with Browns

Offline laden3

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 18:06:40 »
U9BL for the NKRO and cheaper price (student discount)
I rrrove brrracks.

Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 18:34:41 »
The Black Widow Ultimate and the U9BL are almost the same thing except for these differences:

BWU has macro keys (hardware macro)
U9BL has NKRO
U9BL wrist rest is detachable
U9BL comes with extra keys and puller
Location of USB/AV ports
Case finish
Keycap font


But the internal assemblies are near-identical.
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Currently own: IBM Model M 1391401 1988,  XArmor U9 prototype
Previously owned: Ricercar SPOS, IBM M13 92G7461 1994, XArmor U9BL, XArmor U9W prototype, Cherry G80-8200LPDUS, Cherry G84-4100, Compaq MX-11800, Chicony KB-5181 (SMK Monterey), Reveal KB-7061, Cirque Wave Keyboard (ergonomic rubber domes), NMB RT101 (rubber dome), Dell AT101W

Offline Phaiger

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 18:41:16 »
Quote from: hfcobra;287474
...have you ever seen a cell phone with worn out keys?  I have not....ever.    My phone is still like new for the keys at least and i send 50-100 texts a day.


I don't know, how does a worn out touch screen look? :) *scnr*

OT: No idea.

Offline hfcobra

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 30 January 2011, 20:02:31 »
Quote from: Phaiger;287493
I don't know, how does a worn out touch screen look? :) *scnr*

OT: No idea.


lol, i use a normal keyboard on the LG Voyager, i hate texting on touch screens.
Own/Love: REɅLFORCE 87UB EK Edition 45g

Have owned/used: Realforce 103-UB, XArmor U9BL, Filco Majestouch 104-key with Cherry MX Blues, Browns, and Reds, Steelseries 6gv2, Leopold with Browns

Offline Rockmaninoff

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 31 January 2011, 07:37:10 »
Thanks for the replies guys.  I guess I'm leaning towards the U9BL.

One more question: are the macro keys on the BlackWidow also Cherry MX Blue?  If so, is there any benefit to getting that in the off chance that something happens to another key?  I could replace it with one of the switches from the macro keys?

Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 31 January 2011, 08:59:54 »
All switches on the BWU are MX blues.
Daily Driver: Noppoo Choc Mini
Currently own: IBM Model M 1391401 1988,  XArmor U9 prototype
Previously owned: Ricercar SPOS, IBM M13 92G7461 1994, XArmor U9BL, XArmor U9W prototype, Cherry G80-8200LPDUS, Cherry G84-4100, Compaq MX-11800, Chicony KB-5181 (SMK Monterey), Reveal KB-7061, Cirque Wave Keyboard (ergonomic rubber domes), NMB RT101 (rubber dome), Dell AT101W

Offline Curetia

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 31 January 2011, 09:13:30 »
I would prefer the U9BL because of the font, the keycaps and the price (for students).

Offline hfcobra

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 31 January 2011, 13:01:22 »
honestly, if you play a lot of WOW the macro keys can really help you out in the game, but i really doubt that you would ever have another use for them outside the game and there are PLENTY of people who play the game very well without macro keys anyways.
Own/Love: REɅLFORCE 87UB EK Edition 45g

Have owned/used: Realforce 103-UB, XArmor U9BL, Filco Majestouch 104-key with Cherry MX Blues, Browns, and Reds, Steelseries 6gv2, Leopold with Browns

Offline Curetia

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 05:49:03 »
I play WoW too, but I used the Macro Keys of my G15 only for a anti logout macro wich press one time in 5mins my space bar. for anything else i dont use the macro keys only ingame macros :)

Offline ricercar

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Help me decide between the BlackWidow Ultimate and the XArmor U9BL!
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 03 February 2011, 17:29:57 »
Macro keys are overrated. Autohotkey Rulez.

Backlit Cherry Blues FTW. I use it for Left4Dead despite dying occasionally due to hysteresis hysteria, regardless of what Ripster claims. U9BL is my favorite backlit keyboard, above Deck and TG3 OEM boards. The Xarmor U9BL rates second place overall only after my Kinesis Contour layout.
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