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Offline Ekaros

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« on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 08:03:34 »
So are we seeing some changes in this area? Anyone have ideas where it will end? Who will gain the most power in the end and where it will happen too?
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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 16:18:44 »
Unrest in China as well. Get your Taobao orders in now before it gets worse!

For the countries that have protests that topple governments, it's gonna be a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Meanwhile, foreign countries will try to capitalize on the power vacuum in the meantime. That's how the world works.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 04:41:28 »
The middle east is on my ignore list.
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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 05:02:35 »
So long as they don't decide to rebuild the Ottoman Empire I don't care what goes on in the region.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 20:39:26 »
I don't get how these dictators allow the internet to exist in the country at all, then act all surprised and try to shut it down when people want freedom once they learn about all the crap their government is doing to its own citizens.  Pretty dumb.

We need to hurry and develop an satellite internet that's affordable so that everyone has access to facebook all over the world. lol
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 20:42:38 »
Facebook can develop it...they have enough money!

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 20:48:31 »
These riots/revolutions are really the power of Anon if you think about it.  Pretty cool.  It's V for Vendetta come to life.

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 21 February 2011, 21:04:50 »
The one thing I don't get is the logistics of it all.  How do you maintain a riot or mob for like a week or two.  I wish the newscasters would ask that question.  It's pretty fascinating.  It's not like they have port-o-potties, showers, and places to eat and sleep set up for that.  At some point they must get pretty dirty, tired, and hungry.
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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 13:57:48 »
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I don't get how these dictators allow the internet to exist in the country at all, then act all surprised and try to shut it down when people want freedom once they learn about all the crap their government is doing to its own citizens.  Pretty dumb.

We need to hurry and develop an satellite internet that's affordable so that everyone has access to facebook all over the world. lol


No internet => no communication => no trade => no money => bankrupt.

They need the internet. Think of China. No internet, no economical success.[1]

I really love the internet. You can't have just a 'commercial' internet and no 'freedom of speech' internet at the same time.

Also, it is kind of difficult to shut down the web at all. You've got to cut phone lines as well.

The main question is only: Will other dictators come into power (like in Iran 30 years ago) or will they have something like a democracy.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:01:36 »
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The one thing I don't get is the logistics of it all.  How do you maintain a riot or mob for like a week or two.  I wish the newscasters would ask that question.  It's pretty fascinating.  It's not like they have port-o-potties, showers, and places to eat and sleep set up for that.  At some point they must get pretty dirty, tired, and hungry.


Make the economical situation for your people as worse as possible (corruption etc.) and you get your riot for free!
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 14:09:57 »
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The one thing I don't get is the logistics of it all.  How do you maintain a riot or mob for like a week or two.  I wish the newscasters would ask that question.  It's pretty fascinating.  It's not like they have port-o-potties, showers, and places to eat and sleep set up for that.  At some point they must get pretty dirty, tired, and hungry.


You build infrastructure around your protest. In Egypt they had everything in their centre of protest. Medics providing aid. A toilet block. Even a nursery where women could leave their kids to take part in the protest. There was people providing food and water (for a price) yada yada yada.

When they used to riot here in the 60s, 70s and 80s entire neighbourhoods would come together. Barricades would be erected to keep the British army and the RUC out. There'd be lookouts posted over various areas (banging bin lids was a common alert sound that British troops or police where coming). There'd be houses designated as medical centres and other houses and families would turn their houses into sleeping quarters and field canteens.

Nowadays though rioting is so ingrained here that kids do it for the sake of something to do on the weekend.

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 11:54:53 »
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Wow.  Stupid Brits sure made a mess of their colonies.


Which colony would that be ? Tunisia and Libya never had a British presence (excluding WWII where the US was involved too), and Egypt was never a colony; merely a protectorate from 1914 to 1922, and blaming us Brits for the current mess in Egypt is a little extreme.

Whilst we Brits might be stupid, at least we're not stupid enough to mistake which parts of the world used to be part of the British Empire.
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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 13:11:00 »
Who do we get to blame for the US?
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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 13:12:10 »
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Who do we get to blame for the US?


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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 13:25:34 »
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Which colony would that be ? Tunisia and Libya never had a British presence
Indeed. Tunisia was a colony of France, and Libya was a colony of Italy - all of it, Cyrenaica, Tripolitania, and Fezzan.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 13:28:45 »
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I'm awaiting Europe (it IS the largest economy in the world after all)  


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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 15:06:57 »
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Why did you guys release the Lockerbie bomber again?


Compassionate grounds. I know it's an unusual concept for you, but it's fairly common in Europe to release dying prisoners so they can die at home. Now it's mildly embarrassing that he didn't die, but sometimes the doctors get it wrong.

Yes there's been a lot of interest in the discussions between the British and Libyan governments, but that discussion is really rather irrelevant ... he was released not under a prisoner exchange programme, but by the Scottish government due to compassionate grounds. And the relevant Scottish minister is likely to have given two sharp words to any possible interference from the British government.
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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 15:08:58 »
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I'm awaiting Europe (it IS the largest economy in the world after all)  to do the right thing and boot Qadaffi.


Unfortunately, the EU has this strange notion that one should respect international law in such matters. Strange notion I agree, but what can you do ?
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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 15:09:49 »
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but it's fairly common in Europe to release dying prisoners so they can die at home.


We are such wimps.
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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 16:57:29 »
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We are such wimps.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 17:58:57 »
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Unfortunately, the EU has this strange notion that one should respect international law in such matters. Strange notion I agree, but what can you do ?
A Swedish newspaper has, in an interview with a Libyan government official who fled the chaos, presented the claim that Qaddafi himself had something to do with the Lockerbie bombing.

It may be a strange notion to some in Europe, but making it absolutely and unequivocally clear to everyone that you cannot murder one of our citizens with impunity... would seem to make it less likely that they would be murdered in the future.

The trouble, of course, is that wars tend to spread so much misery among the innocent that the past tendency to start wars lightly against the countries of the Third World has led to the Western world being hated there in some quarters, and at least to some extent deservedly.

So the answers are not easy ones, even if my emotions might incline me to react like the veriest jingoist.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 20:33:49 »
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I don't get how these dictators allow the internet to exist in the country at all, then act all surprised and try to shut it down when people want freedom once they learn about all the crap their government is doing to its own citizens.  Pretty dumb.

We need to hurry and develop an satellite internet that's affordable so that everyone has access to facebook all over the world. lol


The Libyan dictator is jamming satellite signals, however the ISPs being jammed are fighting it.
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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 03:11:34 »
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The Libyan dictator is jamming satellite signals, however the ISPs being jammed are fighting it.


So are they too going to upgrade to 4G so ISPs can get on jamming too? ;D


Gaddaff seems quite desperate at this point, very likely he's going down, the aftermath is the issues, and west doesn't have the money for an other peacekeeping mission at the moment...
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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 13:08:18 »
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It may be a strange notion to some in Europe, but making it absolutely and unequivocally clear to everyone that you cannot murder one of our citizens with impunity... would seem to make it less likely that they would be murdered in the future.


Actually it's not so strange - for example Britain expelled the Libyan diplomats after the killing of Yvonne Fletcher, and eventually forced the Libyan regime to pay compensation to her family. Plus the long siege of the Libyan embassy did a lot to 'embarrass' the Libyan government (or at least publicise what a bunch of thugs they were/are).

Now you could claim that this isn't enough, but it's hardly letting them murder with impunity.

However I was responding to the notion that Europe ought to 'do something' about the crisis in Libya today. As it happens quite a lot is being done - it is happening slowly, and a lot of what is happening is subject to the ice berg effect - most of what is going on is happening "under the surface".

Part of the problem is there is a lot of resistance to interfering in the internal affairs of another country at the UN - and specifically within the UN Security Council (and more specifically yet, China and Russia). Without UN approval, nobody in Europe is going to send troops in - which is understandable given the over 2,500 years of warfare and tension between Europe and the Middle East.

As it happens, the UK and France appear to be taking the lead over tabling a proposal at the UN to impose sanctions, a travel ban, freezing of financial assets, and eventually prosecute members of the Libyan regime for cimes against humanity.

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The trouble, of course, is that wars tend to spread so much misery among the innocent that the past tendency to start wars lightly against the countries of the Third World has led to the Western world being hated there in some quarters, and at least to some extent deservedly.

So the answers are not easy ones, even if my emotions might incline me to react like the veriest jingoist.


War is always a poor option. Sometimes it is a less poor option than anything else, but remains a poor choice.

It's too easy to get involved in a decades or centuries long tit-for-tat. To illustrate this, look at the history of little incidents involving the US and Libya :-

  • Libya makes ridiculous territorial claims in the Gulf of Sidra.
  • The US perfectly legitimately but perhaps a bit provocatively decides on a naval exercise in the Gulf of Sidra.
  • Libya sends out a couple of aircraft to intercept, which get shot down by US aircraft.
  • In revenge Libya blows up a disco in Germany killing 3 people (2 Americans) and injuring hundreds.
  • In retaliation, the US bombs Tripoli and kills 60 Libyans (including 15 civilians).
  • In what was probably initiated as revenge, Libya blows up a US aircraft over Lockerbie killing 270.


Now there's no doubt who is in the wrong here - it's Libya. There are those who say the bombing of Tripoli was a touch over the top, but it was perfectly justifiable.

However there's two sensible things to do with a mad dog (and I'm thinking of Gaddafi of course) - make sure he's secured penned up, or shoot him. Poking him with a stick because his bites annoy you is perfectly justifiable, but not very sensible.
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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 13:44:37 »
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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 14:35:22 »
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and specifically within the UN Security Council (and more specifically yet, China and Russia).
You see, this is the whole problem.

Back when China had one nuclear submarine, and it was in port for repairs... back when Russia hadn't been flush with money from natural gas exports to you lot with which to rebuild it's armed forces...

while we had the chance, we should have brought about regime change in China, and then made a deal with Russia - now that it doesn't have to worry about a war with China, it doesn't need nuclear weapons any more, and so if it gave them up, we would give them massive amounts of aid to get over the economic chaos caused by the fall of Communism.

Then there would have been no chance for someone like Putin to come along later and make trouble, because he could be put right quickly.

Then, we would be living in a peaceful world, where the nice sensible countries like the United States, Britain, France, Canada, Australia, Norway, Belgium and so on are firmly in control... and there would be no more wars, ever, so that we could all settle down peacefully to the business of making money, and doing the other things that make life meaningful.

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 15:30:03 »
just get rid of the UN, the UN has done...
nothing.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 20:14:58 »
UN isn't simply useless, it's outright counter-productive.

We need an organization like UN but which accepts only certain countries as members based on personal freedom and democratic values. EU has similar acceptance criteria. This organization would include US, Canada, Australia, all EU members, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, and any other countries sharing democratic values. This organization would have no UN craziness like Libya(!) chairing UN Human Rights Council, and could come to correct decisions much more easily. Could set and enforce embargoes and have a unified armed forces (it's much easier when all members share more or less the same principles). Eventually would also encourage many other countries to come up to the standard to join.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 20:58:28 »
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We need an organization like UN but which accepts only certain countries as members based on personal freedom and democratic values. EU has similar acceptance criteria.
Well, they could start by just expanding NATO to include the countries that formerly belonged to SEATO - Australia, Taiwan, South Korea - and Israel.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 21:41:57 »
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Well, they could start by just expanding NATO to include the countries that formerly belonged to SEATO - Australia, Taiwan, South Korea - and Israel.


Yea, but I'm not talking about strictly military organization, I am talking about "UN version 2.0", i.e. "UN which will actually work".

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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 26 February 2011, 00:01:25 »
didn't the UN say
"third world nations, if you want to kill gays, go ahead, and if you want to kill ppl who know gay ppl and don't want to turn them in for not ratting out gays, then kill them too, we will stand by"

Or did they recind that? that's why i believe the UN is worthless.

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 28 February 2011, 11:42:23 »
Hitchens has written a good piece in Slate: Is Barack Obama Secretly Swiss?

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By the time of Obama's empty speech, even the notoriously lenient Arab League had suspended Libya's participation, and several of Qaddafi's senior diplomatic envoys had bravely defected. One of them, based in New York, had warned of the use of warplanes against civilians and called for a "no-fly zone." Others have pointed out the planes that are bringing fresh mercenaries to Qaddafi's side. In the Mediterranean, the United States maintains its Sixth Fleet, which could ground Qaddafi's air force without breaking a sweat. But wait! We have not yet heard from the Swiss admiralty, without whose input it would surely be imprudent to proceed.
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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 28 February 2011, 12:00:34 »
Personally, I would let these uprisings go unhindered unless some perceived "bad" force tries to take over in the absence of control.  It seems that a lot of these uprisings are of liberal nature, and if all goes according to plan, the replacement governments should be OK, if not a little hostile to Israel, but even the US isn't so chummy with Israel anymore.

An Egyptian protester on Frontline had a good analogy about the situation in Israel: "It's as if someone came into your house, took over your living room, and said that you can't have it back."


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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 11:42:46 »
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didn't the UN say
"third world nations, if you want to kill gays, go ahead, and if you want to kill ppl who know gay ppl and don't want to turn them in for not ratting out gays, then kill them too, we will stand by"

Or did they recind that? that's why i believe the UN is worthless.


Classic disinformation. No the UN didn't do that.

What two countries did was introduce a declaration to persuade member states to decriminalise homosexuality. 66 nations signed up to it - not enough, but better than the status quo.

It would be just as accurate to say the US said "if you want to kill gays, go ahead ..." - the US was the only Western country that refused to sign the declaration.
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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 11:55:56 »
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just get rid of the UN, the UN has done...
nothing.


You're right ... it hasn't :-

  • Eradicated smallpox. Other immunisation efforts are estimated to save the lives of around 3 million children a year.
  • Assisted millions of refugees.
  • Helped ensure your post can reach anywhere in the world.
  • Helped set telecommunications standards through the ITU.
  • Helped provide safe drinking water to at least 1.3 billion people.
  • Been awarded seven Nobel Peace prizes (no you don't get this for doing nothing)


Must have been some other organisation called the UN that did that.
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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 02:45:32 »
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  • Been awarded seven Nobel Peace prizes (no you don't get this for doing nothing)
What did Obama got his for?

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 05:57:36 »
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What did Obama got his for?


Because he's AWESOME! Duh!


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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 06:23:50 »
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What did Obama got his for?


For not being George W Bush ?

Hmm ... "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"" ... so yes :)
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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 06:34:09 »
And what exactly did that consist of?

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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 14:14:56 »
You'll have to ask the Nobel committee.
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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 14:56:17 »
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UN isn't simply useless, it's outright counter-productive.

We need an organization like UN but which accepts only certain countries as members based on personal freedom and democratic values. EU has similar acceptance criteria. This organization would include US, Canada, Australia, all EU members, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, and any other countries sharing democratic values. This organization would have no UN craziness like Libya(!) chairing UN Human Rights Council, and could come to correct decisions much more easily. Could set and enforce embargoes and have a unified armed forces (it's much easier when all members share more or less the same principles). Eventually would also encourage many other countries to come up to the standard to join.


It's called NATO.
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 03 March 2011, 16:01:13 »
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It's called NATO.


NATO is a military alliance, and it doesn't include many of the free nations while including a couple of not so free (Turkey). I'm talking about organization which will do what UN was supposed to do, but was mostly unable because herds of 12th century theocratic dictatorships did things like electing Libya to chair(!) UN Human Rights Council.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 03:12:59 »
In first place it would help if some evil nations couldn't stop everything in UN...
So I should add something useless here yes? Ok, ok...
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 22 March 2011, 15:19:21 »
Tonight. You.

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 01 April 2011, 11:53:02 »
Yes, We Can.




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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 01 April 2011, 12:00:04 »
Man, Pinochet was PISSED.
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« Reply #49 on: Fri, 01 April 2011, 18:30:13 »
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The PEOPLE that KNOW LIBYA BEST!
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