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Offline neo

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« on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:23:53 »
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/FKBN88MUKB/

Diatec lists this new "Majestouch 2" Tenkeyless using news PCB and "improved feel". It is listed in four different European layouts. Does anyone know when the US layout is coming out?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:25:44 »
I don't believe there will be a US layout. I believe Filco is being scaled back. But that is only my personal belief. I have no facts to back it up.

(At least I'm honest).
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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:37:54 »
ohhh, majestouch 2!

seeing how they're using a new PCB design the ANSI 87 is probably going to take a while longer, they'll make it eventually.
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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:43:32 »
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ohhh, majestouch 2!

seeing how they're using a new PCB design the ANSI 87 is probably going to take a while longer, they'll make it eventually.


The same PCB could be designed to accommodate both types, I think.
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Offline neo

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:47:13 »
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I don't believe there will be a US layout. I believe Filco is being scaled back. But that is only my personal belief. I have no facts to back it up.

(At least I'm honest).


They just came out with "Majestouch 2" and you think they are scaling back?
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:58:30 »
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They just came out with "Majestouch 2" and you think they are scaling back?


Yep.
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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 18:59:58 »
Never joined OCN and never will.
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 19:03:29 »
Quote from: ripster;299592
Without data I must assume you are TaterTot.


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Offline manfaux

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 19:18:37 »
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Offline negidaku

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 19:54:05 »
Are they saying the switches will be PCB mounted? I couldn't quite parse the Japanglish, and there is no native Japanese version for comparison.
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Offline neo

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 20:03:49 »
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Seriously, I think only those PCB lovers like KL and ItlnStln will feel any difference from the PCB having more layers.  Even the Japanese fall prey to Marketing Gold USB Connectors sometime.


They say the switch is now attached not only to plate but also to PCB or something like that. Which supposedly makes key presses softer with less vibration?
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Offline Koeitje

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 20:36:04 »
Hope it will take ages to release this "2" version in 104 US so I won't feel bad about just having bought one ;)
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Offline pitashen

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 22 February 2011, 20:53:18 »
Through hole soldering, I wonder what that means to people who's gonna repair or replace switches..
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Offline pitashen

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 01:54:20 »
http://www.diatec.co.jp/en/FKBN88MUKB/FKBN88MUKB04.jpg

Looking at the picture, there seems to be presence of a metal plate.
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Offline jomiyo

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 04:37:59 »
Great, now I'll have to decide between the Leopold and this. :popcorn:
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 04:41:42 »
If you can live with the ISO layout, then the choice is obvious.
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Offline Eclairz

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 04:45:09 »
Looks like "The Keyboard Company" have them as they have the same model number?

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10037
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Offline jomiyo

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 04:56:12 »
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If you can live with the ISO layout, then the choice is obvious.


Yeah, I dislike that, but could cope. Either way, I'm gonna wait for EK and the inevitable loads of reviews/comparisons.
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 05:08:19 »
Now if we just could get even more variety on switches. ISO is good for you btw ;D
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 07:39:22 »
Quote from: RiGS;299733
If you can live with the ISO layout, then the choice is obvious.


Better key caps and removable-cable make the Leopold a better choice in my book.  That is, unless Diatec did something to improve the caps, but it doesn't appear like they did.
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Offline Garry

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 08:01:22 »
I've got one of these already. Exactly the same model number as the one on this website.

In fact I'm typing this post on it right now.
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Offline neo

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:04:26 »
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I've got one of these already. Exactly the same model number as the one on this website.

In fact I'm typing this post on it right now.


Which model number, where did you get it and how do you like it so far?
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Offline neo

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:06:58 »
Quote from: Eclairz;299734
Looks like "The Keyboard Company" have them as they have the same model number?

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10037


That's not the same model number. Those are regular Majestouch, not Majestouch 2.
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Offline Garry

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:36:51 »
It's really nice. I haven't got any other Filco to compare against but it's solid. Better to type on than my other cherry keyboards.

After about 2 weeks use there might be a bit of shininess on the spacebar. The |\ key to the right of the left shift seems a bit misaligned as well. Nothing you'd notice while typing though.

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Missaligned key
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Offline Garry

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:40:55 »
It was bought from thekeyboardco.com and it is the exact same model number as displayed on the Diatec website. FKBN88M/UKB2. It's nice. I haven't got any other Filco to compare against but it's solid. Better to type on than my other cherry keyboards.

After about 2 weeks use there might be a bit of shininess on the spacebar. The |\ key to the right of the left shift seems a bit misaligned as well. Nothing you'd notice while typing though.

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Missaligned key
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 10:49:10 »
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Hmm....They never put Elitekeyboards on the label.
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I just turned over my Elitekeyboards "custom" (note quotation marks) brown box one.


Must have started doing that recently, my order 105-key have separate sticker for www.keyboardco.com
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:03:46 »
I got my teeth on her box once, but she didn't like it.  I, too, just wanted to get it open.
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Offline neo

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:21:05 »
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Seriously, as I said earlier don't be a Krazy Korean - it will make little or no difference.


There is a ripster somewhere in there who is obsessed enough to make 28,000+ posts on a keyboard forum...
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Offline neo

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:27:08 »
Quote from: Garry;299838
It was bought from thekeyboardco.com and it is the exact same model number as displayed on the Diatec website. FKBN88M/UKB2. It's nice. I haven't got any other Filco to compare against but it's solid. Better to type on than my other cherry keyboards.

After about 2 weeks use there might be a bit of shininess on the spacebar. The |\ key to the right of the left shift seems a bit misaligned as well. Nothing you'd notice while typing though.

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Missaligned key


That key is misaligned because it shouldn't even be there on a proper keyboard... :laugh:
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 11:29:23 »
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That key is misaligned because it shouldn't even be there on a proper keyboard... :laugh:


Umm, what is that left from 1?

It does belong there, atleast it's properly size unlike some letter keys...
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 23 February 2011, 13:58:02 »
Quote from: Garry;299838
The |\ key to the right of the left shift seems a bit misaligned as well. Nothing you'd notice while typing though.

Missaligned key

That's key orientation the HHKB way, maybe it's a trend.


EDIT: Forgot to ask - is the ESC cutout (in the upper frame) now symmetrical?
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Offline Garry

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 07:46:46 »
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That's key orientation the HHKB way, maybe it's a trend.


EDIT: Forgot to ask - is the ESC cutout (in the upper frame) now symmetrical?


Not quite sure what you mean but here's a pic of the ESC.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 09:03:52 »
Quote from: Garry;300263
Not quite sure what you mean but here's a pic of the ESC.


FK87MC/EB that I have has the ESC slightly off-center horizontally, by about 0.5mm. This makes for a bigger gap on the right of the key, but you have to be really staring to see it.

From the picture it seems it's fixed now. Go, Diatec, go!

Thanks for pic, Garry.
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Offline elbowglue

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 09:55:33 »
Quote from: Garry;299838
It was bought from thekeyboardco.com and it is the exact same model number as displayed on the Diatec website. FKBN88M/UKB2. It's nice. I haven't got any other Filco to compare against but it's solid. Better to type on than my other cherry keyboards.

After about 2 weeks use there might be a bit of shininess on the spacebar. The |\ key to the right of the left shift seems a bit misaligned as well. Nothing you'd notice while typing though.

Part number
Missaligned key

Sorry if you already mentioned this, is this new Majestouch 2 PCB mounted or plate mounted?  Thanks.

EDIT - it seems plate mounted in some way - would you mind taping the plate mount, is it made of metal or plastic?  Thanks again.
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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 10:53:55 »
Quote from: elbowglue;300302
Sorry if you already mentioned this, is this new Majestouch 2 PCB mounted or plate mounted?  Thanks.

EDIT - it seems plate mounted in some way - would you mind taping the plate mount, is it made of metal or plastic?  Thanks again.


Plate mounted.
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 17:30:43 »
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Without data I must assume you are TaterTot.


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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 17:48:33 »
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If you can live with the ISO layout, then the choice is obvious.


I still prefer Filco's stabilizers, but other than that I can't see why Filco is the obvious choice.
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 24 February 2011, 17:52:41 »
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I still prefer Filco's stabilizers, but other than that I can't see why Filco is the obvious choice.


In some ISO-layouts it's the only option. On other hand there have been some or few issues with Filcos...
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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 05:24:41 »
Quote from: manfaux;300529
I still prefer Filco's stabilizers, but other than that I can't see why Filco is the obvious choice.


The switches sit lower in the Filco case especially the F-keys. The Leopold case is ugly and the keyboard slides over the desk.
The new Filco FR4 dual pcb is awesome.
Finally the Leopold spacebar is a pain in the ass if you intend to replace the keycaps.
« Last Edit: Fri, 25 February 2011, 05:27:04 by RiGS »
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Offline laden3

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 05:37:17 »
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The switches sit lower in the Filco case especially the F-keys.


I remember that someone mentioned that in his review. Ironically, he sold all his keyboards and bought a Realforce, which you can obviously see the small gaps between the keycaps and the case. =)

I would choose the new Filco with the better? PCB. Soldering jobs are easier on PCB with higher quality.
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Offline neo

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 07:56:06 »
Quote from: RiGS;300713
The new Filco FR4 dual pcb is awesome.


Do you have the Mejestouch 2?
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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 25 February 2011, 10:44:07 »
Nope. I hate ISO layout, btw fiberglass PCB is better for soldering.
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