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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 09:52:06 »
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Get back in your cage!


RAWR, don't make me bite your face off. *hugz*
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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 10:13:57 »
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Still don't understand why he doesn't sell this years models.  I'd be pretty sad PandaR not getting the latest/greatest.

Oh yeah, Majestouch not in the Diatec Diatribe.


I agree with this, luckily I am going to order the latest and greatest from LEOPOLD despite the high prices. High prices should never stop anyone from enjoying life to the fullest.
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 17:03:58 »
For some reason, I hear "the Skipper's" voice when Panda "talks".
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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 17:28:07 »
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For some reason, I hear "the Skipper's" voice when Panda "talks".


who is the skipper and how do i meet the skipper?
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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 17:42:21 »
The "Skipper" from "Ghiligan's Island".  It's the Panda pic I guess.  So burly.  By the way, that was Alan Hale that played the Skipper and he has since passed.  His
Dad acted too.  Le me see, I think some old western called "Shenandoah" but not sure.  Can't remember the old boy's name either.  Rats.
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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 18:33:37 »
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High prices should never stop anyone from enjoying life to the fullest.


That's what the hookers are always telling me...
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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 22:59:29 »
You know, if you can get a panda out of china, why not a keyboard??  Just think about that for a while won't yuh?
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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 07 March 2011, 23:25:20 »
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You know, if you can get a panda out of china, why not a keyboard??  Just think about that for a while won't yuh?


I once had a keyboard from china, It smelt like moth balls for some reason.
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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 08 March 2011, 02:04:25 »
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I'm concerned the new Leopolds will smell like Kimchi.


As long as it's not korean toejam i'm cool with that. Apparently Koreans have the worst toejam ever because the bacertia feasts on kimchi.
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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 08 March 2011, 10:58:00 »
definitely going to watch this movie
I like Kim Ki-duk movies as well.
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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 08 March 2011, 22:13:12 »
Curious about this.
Would anyone ever buy a $265 Realforce 86U instead of a $215 Realforce U-UW and why?
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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 08 March 2011, 23:14:18 »
gotta save that space with the 10keyless
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 09 March 2011, 22:08:37 »
Does anyone know if the Topre has the same key feel as the IBM?  I can only see so well on EK but it seems like the Topre keys look at least more simular than the average kb in key fatness/pitch, etc?
I've studied Ripster's Wiki piece but I need more clarity plz?  I believe what Ripster said about there being more to a board than switches.  In fact, I've already been shopping for what I've come to learn from Ripster's Wiki as "Key Pitch" or spacing and height and just general meatiness.  I like the big munster keys on my Unicomp.  At least they feel like that.  Anyone?  I really want to pull the trigger soon.
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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 10 March 2011, 04:44:55 »
I think the key spacing is quite standard. However, I do not own an IBM to compare it.
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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:05:22 »
Anyone know if I should "keep waiting" for answers from EK?  I've emailed some inquires on the Realforce, in order to make a final decision on which to buy, if any and it's been a while.
I am basically waiting to pull the trigger here.
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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:11:35 »
I suspect they are really busy with the Leopolds. Did you try to PM majestouch? You may get a quicker response.
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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:12:13 »
Anyway, if anyone can tell if they know that the Topre is a more comfortable ride than the Unicomp for crampy hands/wrists that would be appreciated.  I like my Unicomp and think it treats my hands better than my rubber dome but I still have issues. I'm wondering if the Topre would be another level up for me, since it has the variable weight keys and "springy" dome.
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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:14:08 »
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I suspect they are really busy with the Leopolds. Did you try to PM majestouch? You may get a quicker response.


I suspected that too and that's why I'm not "griping" but just wanted someone else to maybe concur w/my suspician.  I can PM him yeah.  I suspect that Majes, who is Brian, is in fact EK?  A very small Co?
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:29:52 »
Yep. I think the company is pretty much all him.
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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 17:41:03 »
I suppose this will be subjective but I like to see what others are doing but I'm wondering if the Realforce will be a better choice for "writing" than other boards, as far as "comfort" for achey wrists go?  I would suppose a person dealing w/my issues would know better but anyone can give me their thoughts.
Otherwise, I'm actually getting ready to pull it!
Also, please see post #77 as well?
Thanks
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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 18:13:00 »
Would I be assuming right If I said that the Realforce would likely make a better choice for "writing" as opposed to the Space Saver when it comes to comfort on long writing sessions?  My hands start to "cramp up" if I type too long at a time.  I take breaks.
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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 20:06:56 »
While you should always take breaks while typing for long periods of time, I do find that my HHKB (uses the Topre switches) is more comfortable if I'm going to be typing continuously for several hours.

I rarely ever do that though, so I have no issues with my Unicomp and IBM keyboards.
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« Reply #72 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 20:48:53 »
So, then the Topre switches are probably worth the higher premium.  What is meant when the HHKB is described as being designed with programmers in mind?
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« Reply #73 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 20:52:42 »
Usually at page 6 of a "what keyboard should I buy" thread, there are more photos of hot chicks. I'm looking at you, OP! ;)

I believe the HHKB layout is good for programmers who only work in Unix/Linux and primarily via the command line. I really don't know exactly why, though.
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« Reply #74 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 21:21:47 »
The keyboard layout is more in line with the programs we use. For vi, Esc is used a lot, and it's a pain to reach up that high to use it. Emacs uses control a lot, so why waste space on the capslock key, which is almost never used.

It really is a UNIX thing, which makes sense, since that layout is often referred to as the UNIX layout. It was the only layout for Solaris users for many years, as well.
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« Reply #75 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 22:39:43 »
Thanks for that explaination.
I'm very close to ordering my own Topre.  I just can't make up my mind which one yet.
For writing, I would like the 86U for ergo reasons and wouldn't need the tenkey anyway but I just can't get around the $50 increase over the current discounted 103U-UW, which would be a more econmical intro to Topre switches.  I wonder Why some others prefer tenkeyless version?
Also, is there any point to ordering before Monday now?  I mean, would the order even ship before then anyway?
If it would ship this weekend, then I'll put my order in tonight!
Please, someone give me their reasons for going "tenkeyless" and why they think it may/may not be worth the $50 increase over the 103U-UW?
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« Reply #76 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 23:09:32 »
Well, I don't see the need for a tenkeyless, but when I covered mine on my Customizer, I found it very frustrating, as apparently I use it more than I thought.

That would be my advice. Cover your current tenkey, and see how often that frustrates you. If it never does, and you want the space, spend the money and get the 86. Personally, I would prefer to keep the money, and get the 103, even if I didn't use the tenkey as often as I apparently do.
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« Reply #77 on: Fri, 11 March 2011, 23:49:54 »
Thanks, I was leaning towards the 103, as I am used to it and do use the tenkey regularily, though for more mundane things, like bills, passwords, etc.  I do like the full-size set up but am begining to like the cleaner look of the 86U.  
One unique advantage to getting the 103 is that my wife would be my tester and if she likes the Topre, then I'll order her own which would be the 103UB, as she wants/needs her tenkey and prefers black.
If after trialing mine, she doens't like it for some reason, then I save money on a keyboard that I shouldn't have purchased and I still have my own in "classic white", which has become my favorite.
One question left.  Do you know if EK would begin processing my order this weekend?
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« Reply #78 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 07:55:04 »
Not sure if this has been posted before, but ANYWAY...



No guarantee EK will begin processing right away. They have taken a couple days for me before.
I personally think the 103U-UW is a much better deal. I personally don't think the 86U is worth the price it's at. I would have bought the 86U back when it was $230 (what's up with the price fluctuations???) And the tenkeyless isn't THAT much more ergonomic...
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« Reply #79 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 10:43:33 »
I'm going w/the 103U-UW.  I hope that a white board comes out w/unform wieighting but maybe down the road.  Do you have a pref on "uniform" vs "variable" weighted keys and why?

Ripster,
Do you know what the key weight of the Space Saver is?
I tried to find it on the Wiki but...Isn't it something like 60g or something?  
Certainly more than the "55g" unform Topre.
Also, maybe the variable thing is not a matter for me as I don't type quickly anyway and tend to "hit" the keys.  I tend to type medocre speed.
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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 10:54:32 »
Quote from: Engine;310437
I'm going w/the 103U-UW.  I wish that a white board came w/unform wieighting but maybe down the road.  Do you have a pref on "uniform" vs "variable" weighted keys and why?

Ripster,
Do you know what the key weight of the Space Saver is?
I tried to find it on the Wiki but...
Isn't it something like 60g or something?  Certainly more than the "55g" unform Topre.


You can always mod your Topre to be unifom.
Ripsted made a good article on that in the mods section.
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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:04:39 »
Yeah, I remember that now.  I'll have to look that over again for just in case. Thanks.
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« Reply #82 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:08:07 »
I'm going to order the my Topre tonight but am wondering what others think of the leather wrist pad?  Could that help me or not?  I've heard different things on where/how to rest your wrists or not rest them at all.  Confusing.
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« Reply #83 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:23:14 »
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I'm going to order the my Topre tonight but am wondering what others think of the leather wrist pad?  Could that help me or not?  I've heard different things on where/how to rest your wrists or not rest them at all.  Confusing.

Some people find wrist rests helping them, and some don't. I think you need to try using a wrist rest in order to get the best answer to that. You can do something ghetto like I did, to try a wrist rest out, and finding if that would suit for you.

A ghetto wrist rest made from 2 pieces of memory foam (or something like that), wrapped around some fabric. Cost me about $2 to make.



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« Reply #84 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:38:39 »
It would be easier to fold a towel just to get the feel.
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« Reply #85 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:41:19 »
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lol.  That takes ghetto to a new level. I thought the db_iodine was embroidered at first, then realized it was supposed to be a watermark :P


I thought of doing it properly at first, but then soon realized it would be too much work.
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« Reply #86 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 11:47:12 »
Well, isn't the concept of keeping one's hands "level" the key here for max ergo comfort?
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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 12:39:00 »
The variable weighting is very subtle and I personally like it. I don't think an all 45g from the keyboard co would be anywhere near as inexpensive.
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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 13:01:49 »
Agreed.  I think that everything points to the 103U-UW for my first Topre.  It's White, Full size, variable keys that I want to try and the best price over the other models.  All together the best intro to the Realforce.  Why not.
I'm going to order tonight and post in "It's in the mail" accordingly.  Thanks all!
Oh, in the meantime, I'm waiting until tonight on purpose, just in case someone mentions anything at all that I should consider/know about before pulling the trigger on this board.  
Continued replies are welcome!  Thanks again.
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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 13:18:16 »
Great! If you do order it, welcome to the club! =)
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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 12 March 2011, 14:54:49 »
Thanks!  Me and the Mrs are heading over too Mom's for dinner.  Later on tonight, I'll head over to EK to seal the deal and post it in "It's in the mail".  See ya then.
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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 14 March 2011, 00:01:00 »
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Great! If you do order it, welcome to the club! =)

I just did and thanks!
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