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Offline mrsone

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NKRO with USB?
« on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 03:23:45 »
I just got a shiny new Noppoo Choc Mini. I was fooling around with it in Notepad for some reason when I noticed that more of my inputs than usual were registering. Then I did the NKRO test here and here and found that the Noppoo Choc has full NKRO even on a USB connection. I didn't think this was possible.

I heard that the Thermaltake Meka G1 keyboard had this feature, too. So does anyone else know any keyboards that support NKRO on a USB connection?
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Offline Orphagn

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 03:39:10 »
As far as I know, the Noppoo is the only tenkeyless with NKRO over USB.
That's one of the main reasons I really like it.
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Offline bytemeavaj

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 04:23:02 »
Quote from: Orphagn;317499
As far as I know, the Noppoo is the only tenkeyless with NKRO over USB.
That's one of the main reasons I really like it.


The Filco tenkeyless does as well. I think the Leopolds may as well (not sure).
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Offline Orphagn

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 04:28:17 »
Didn't know that Filco tenkeyless were NKRO, I always ran mine using PS2. Then again I never tested for NKRO when I had a Filco.
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Offline javifast

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 04:50:31 »
I think Filcos are NKRO only with ps2.
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Offline Heimdallr

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 05:13:23 »
i think with USB you only get 6KRO.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 05:17:24 »
The Noppoo is full NKRO over USB, but it's done in a hackish way (AFAIK, the controller emulates three keyboards). One consequence of this is that it doesn't work with OS X.
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Offline Mr. Perfect

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:10:30 »
The Ducky year of the tiger special edition board is also NKRO using USB. The Microsoft x4 can hit 12KRO using USB, which is perfectly fine for ten fingered people.
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:21:00 »
Quote from: ch_123;317529
The Noppoo is full NKRO over USB, but it's done in a hackish way (AFAIK, the controller emulates three keyboards). One consequence of this is that it doesn't work with OS X.


Hmm so is it NKRO or 18KRO? ;D Quite intresting way ;D
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:25:37 »
Quote from: ripster;317621
The Ducky G2 and Noppoo are made by the same OEM. Same failure mode in OSX.  Most likely the same controller and firmware.

I'd go for 6KRO with rock solid compatibility over NKRO any day.


I agree, 6KRO over some limited support hack...
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:25:46 »
Or use PS/2. That's what I do. :D
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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:27:51 »
I use PS/2 on my G80-3494 (KL Kustom 1) via my Thinkpad docking station.
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Offline Laggy-gaga

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 09:42:34 »
actually it is fake NKRO with USB
there is a conflict with "shift" (only in veryyyyyyyy fast typing speed)
Be honestly I don't quite understand the theory of that guys,
but the manufacturer had  admitted this problem.
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Offline RiGS

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 14:18:21 »
Quote from: ch_123;317529
The Noppoo is full NKRO over USB, but it's done in a hackish way (AFAIK, the controller emulates three keyboards). One consequence of this is that it doesn't work with OS X.


Does this hack introduce any additional lag?
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Offline mrsone

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 15:57:53 »
Quote from: Ekaros;317620
Hmm so is it NKRO or 18KRO? ;D Quite intresting way ;D


When I did my "testing" I got 22 keys to register at once. I do not have a good testing apparatus to test all the keys at once, other than just dropping a book on the board.
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Keyboards currently in my possession:
Filco Majestouch Cherry MX Brown 104 key, Unicomp Spacesaver 104, Rosewill RK-9000RE (Cherry MX Red), Leopold 660C Mini Capacitive keyboard, HHKB Type S, Logitech Illuminated Keyboard

Keypads:
Leopold 210TP Mechanical Keypad (Cherry MX Red), Leopold FC210TP/NB Mechanical Keypad (Cherry MX Brown)

Other Keyboards I have tried:
Filco Majestouch Cherry MX Red, Leopold  FC500RR/AB Linear Touch Cherry MX Red, Razer Blackwidow Ultimate, Razer Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth Edition, Realforce 103U/UB, Realforce 103U Black All 55g, Noppoo Choc Mini 84 Mechanical Cherry MX Black keyboard, Noppoo Choc Mini 84 Mechanical Cherry MX Red keyboard (white and black color versions), PLU G3000 NKRO keyboard (white w/ Cherry MX Red switches), Dell 101AT (black Alps switches), Mattias Mini Quiet Pro (modified white Alps switches), KBT Pure Pro, (2)Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2, Leopold FC210TP/CB Tactile Click Cherry MX Blue Tenkey pad

Offline JBert

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 17:19:18 »
Quote from: Ekaros;317620
Hmm so is it NKRO or 18KRO? ;D Quite intresting way ;D


18KRO would be "practically NKRO" in my book...
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Offline bpiphany

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 17:55:03 »
Are USB protocols predetermined once and for all or is it possible to write your own? In that case it shouldn't be too hard to just have a keyboard that acts as a regular keyboard in BIOS and then becomes some extended sort of keyboard when drivers are loaded.
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 18:20:36 »
Quote from: JBert;317952
18KRO would be "practically NKRO" in my book...


N must equal the amount of keys on board ;D Otherwise it's N>nKRO
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Offline panda-R

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 18:30:04 »
Quote from: javifast;317517
I think Filcos are NKRO only with ps2.


the new filcos are NKRO over USB! HOT DOG!
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Offline bytemeavaj

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 18:34:32 »
Quote from: javifast;317517
I think Filcos are NKRO only with ps2.


Quote from: Heimdallr;317526
i think with USB you only get 6KRO.


What are you guys talking about? Filco is NKRO through USB.
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Offline bytemeavaj

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 18:37:34 »
My bad, I used the notepad example and "thought" my Filco was NKRO through USB.
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Offline killy

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 24 March 2011, 21:28:29 »
I just held both shift keys down and typed out 'the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.' No problem.
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Offline JBert

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 27 March 2011, 15:19:53 »
Quote from: PrinsValium;317981
Are USB protocols predetermined once and for all or is it possible to write your own? In that case it shouldn't be too hard to just have a keyboard that acts as a regular keyboard in BIOS and then becomes some extended sort of keyboard when drivers are loaded.
Actually, if the BIOS has properly implemented USB HID it would ask the keyboard to switch to "legacy mode" while the normal mode could use a NKRO protocol.

Sadly, BIOSes and OS drivers may not implement USB HID properly, hence why keyboard manufacturers choose the safe route by using the legacy protocol all around.
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Offline bpiphany

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 28 March 2011, 14:50:19 »
Quote from: JBert;319685
Actually, if the BIOS has properly implemented USB HID it would ask the keyboard to switch to "legacy mode" while the normal mode could use a NKRO protocol.

Sadly, BIOSes and OS drivers may not implement USB HID properly, hence why keyboard manufacturers choose the safe route by using the legacy protocol all around.


A simple case of everyone following their own standard then, no big surprise I guess.
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