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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #450 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 20:19:28 »
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6-key rollover



Do you really need more than 6 keys + 4 modifiers?

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and no windows button.


Look better, the win key is there
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Offline EllipticSquare

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« Reply #451 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 20:32:07 »
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Do you really need more than 6 keys + 4 modifiers?

Nope, but it breathes quality. 130 USD ones got it, and they are basically the same except for the looks ...

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Look better, the win key is there

... and a windows key on the left side

it's 220 USD. you start expecting things then
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« Reply #452 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 20:45:13 »
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... and a windows key on the left side


I think is a great move from the gamer POV.

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it's 220 USD.


Sorry, but if you are from Sweden, and you are looking a Swedish board why you use dollars ?

Dollar is Weak nowadays, and anithing that comes from Europe looks expensive if converted in dollars.

Aniwhay why not consider the Qpad MK-80 ?

Win key is on the standard place, is NKRO over PS/2, and is cheaper
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Offline EllipticSquare

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« Reply #453 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 21:06:10 »
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I think is a great move from the gamer POV.
Yeah, can't disagree with that. Never ever had the problem of hitting windows key though ... but it's there for others

Used it in my ignorance that the currency of most readers here is USD
Even so it's still way beyond. Getting Choc Mini Browns (just sent payment today) which is 800 SEK incl. shipping vs 1500 SEK excl. shipping

MK-80 might be in the alley of my older brother's taste. He purchased a Logitech G15-something-something so if he plans to upgrade I'll throw
him down the Qpad path (he loves their mouse to pieces). I got this ... design > functionality ranking so I miss a lot of good things. "It's all in your head"
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« Reply #454 on: Sat, 06 August 2011, 05:50:16 »
Hey guys!

I just wanna know if there will be a Zibal 60 with a french (FRANCE) layout?
I saw a similar question few pages ago, but no answer, so... :p

Thank you in advance!
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #455 on: Sat, 06 August 2011, 13:09:02 »
According to mionix
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UK, USA, DE and Nordic are up first in June ...... Then RU, FR, SP, CN very soon after
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« Reply #456 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:41:28 »
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According to mionix
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UK, USA, DE and Nordic are up first in June ...... Then RU, FR, SP, CN very soon after



Uw, well, OK, thank you very much for this information!
I've searched everywhere for that (even the press kit)
I guess, next time, I will try to search with my eyes open ...
Anyway, great news !
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Offline noodles256

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« Reply #457 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:49:38 »
erbody wants the mionix
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« Reply #458 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:32:50 »
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Uw, well, OK, thank you very much for this information!
I've searched everywhere for that (even the press kit)
I guess, next time, I will try to search with my eyes open ...
Anyway, great news !


No, not your fault, i mean not mionix the company, mionix the user, the company rep on forums.
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #459 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 17:11:14 »
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Ducky Shine later this month.



I'm sure the AZERTY Ducky will be released quickly... :pound:
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #460 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:13:15 »
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You heard it here first.


Maybe living at less than 30Km from the French border I've heard about French and AZERTY layout a "little" before the BlackSlayer message...:becky:
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« Reply #461 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:34:51 »
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I've heard of it.  Doesn't mean I like it.


This is a different point.

I don't like it too, as I hated the old Italian QZERTY layout, when I touched my first typewriter.

It's not the layout per se, but the shift and caps lock behavior (numbers are in second function, and Caps Lock works as in typewriters, locks the numbers too).
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Offline GigaFlop

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« Reply #462 on: Sat, 13 August 2011, 03:38:41 »
Hey guys, I've been reading this thread, and people say that the keyboard has ping. Is the ping low latency?

I plan to order one once I figure out my college dorm mail system.
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« Reply #463 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 13:24:06 »
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #464 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 17:12:16 »
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Hey guys, I've been reading this thread, and people say that the keyboard has ping. Is the ping low latency?

I plan to order one once I figure out my college dorm mail system.

I've read it as well... and you don't get it's the SPRING inside the Cherry switch! The spring is rotated in a way, during manufacture, that the edge of the spring (where the wire ends) catches the top of bottom of the key assembly thus creating a torsion load that's released with certain velocity etc key-presses. When this happens it makes a sound and people call the sound "ping". One of the users here even posted recordings of it. I don't understand why you would ask this question unless you have poor reading comprehension as it's in plain unbroken English.

PS sorry if you're ESL
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Offline GigaFlop

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« Reply #465 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 19:04:32 »
to above user:
/trollface

Quote from: guilleguillaume;398838
Not a valid youtube URL

Alright, I'm settled on it. Only 15 days until I place my order :D
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #466 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 19:25:30 »
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It's caused by the spring being rotated a certain angle?  Hmm....360 degrees and assuming a random distribution, 104 key keyboards, 5 degree of accuracy needed and that would make 1.486 pingy switches per keyboard.  Somebody investigate this theory further.


That sounds just about right assuming 5 degrees is the range where the ping will occur. Also consider this could happen at either end of the helix spring. Either way sounds like a decent calculation as to what the rate of occurrence would be.

I can visualize how the tac switch could do this as I've noticed it in other tac switchs. It would be like say... a Saitek joystick with it's spring design. Sometimes it will click etc due to the end of the spring wire catching it's stop-plate. This action can be recreated easily with one of those joysticks by simply rotating the spring. I know the joystick isn't a switch but understand I'm describing the physical mechanics of what causes key "ping" as I understand it being described in this forum.

All tactile switches the use coil/helical spring have a sweet spot where it will catch or "ping". The ping sound they describe could be coming from the adjacent switch's springs but perhaps the spring catching might also reverberate? Does the spring have an axial running through the center to guide it or does it bend left right etc? I don't know the mechanics of these "tac" switches.

How easy is it to disassemble a Cherry MX black switch? Does it have to be desolderd from the PCB?

PS perhaps ripster you can use some Hook's law to calculate it down to N·m-1 for k·eq :eek:
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #467 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 19:53:34 »
Quote from: HiroPro;398909
I've read it as well... and you don't get it's the SPRING inside the Cherry switch! The spring is rotated in a way, during manufacture, that the edge of the spring (where the wire ends) catches the top of bottom of the key assembly thus creating a torsion load that's released with certain velocity etc key-presses. When this happens it makes a sound and people call the sound "ping". One of the users here even posted recordings of it. I don't understand why you would ask this question unless you have poor reading comprehension as it's in plain unbroken English.

PS sorry if you're ESL



That's exactly my conclusion

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?16934-Mionix-Zibal-60-Z60-gaming-keyboard-with-backlit-keys&p=382475&viewfull=1#post382475
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #468 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 19:54:35 »
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The other end of the spring?  Hmm... but both are resting against plastic.

Yes and this is where it catches or snags or what ever. At either end of the spring.
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #469 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 19:58:04 »
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And your source for this information?


It's the only reasonable explanation.
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« Reply #470 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:00:53 »
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The other end of the spring?  Hmm... but both are resting against plastic.

Yes and this is where it catches or snags or what ever on the very end of the helix spring's wire. At either end of the spring against plastic stop/plate/housing or what ever...
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #471 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:08:14 »
Nothing other than my "amazing powers of observation. And that is how I know ..."
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #472 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:09:29 »
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And how exactly was this tested?


Just open and reclose a pinging switch, the torsional forces will be discharged and the switch will stop pinging.

So if your keyboard science have a better explanation...

Clearly the slider and the switch can have some roughness that catch the start of the first coil of the spring, in the unlucky cases where that increased roughness/imperfection is present on both the slider and the lower housing part the spring will end to be forced by some torsional force and start resonating in a not normal way.
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #473 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:10:54 »
Quote from: GigaFlop;398937
to above user:
/trollface

When I try to get through
On the telephone to you
There'll be nobody home.

SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE

tada teda tada teda
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« Reply #474 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:18:19 »
Quote from: ripster;396121
I've heard of it.  Doesn't mean I like it.

Sig>Mods>Keyboards>International Mini Mod
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I can't stand those Euro/Brit keyboards with the big CTRN !!!

I have to have pipe and backslash above enter!

I left shift pipe.

How the hell do your euro devs pipe left pinky with right pinky shift!

ugg

Nothing's worse than a Canadian notebook with one of those friggin keyboards. I HATE EM

PS WTF do you need an enter key that takes up two rows! I've never ever been able to understand that one...
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #475 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:25:46 »
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I can't stand those Euro/Brit keyboards with the big CTRN !!!


http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?14646-ANSI-or-ISO-Which-lay-out-do-you-prefer&p=324953&viewfull=1#post324953
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #476 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:27:57 »
Quote from: ripster;398993
OK you've over post count 10 so I don't have to be polite anymore.

Your theory blows.

HUH well.. you know what they say about opinions...

Perhaps your not "The Number One Keyboard Expert On The Planet" especially if you can't visualize the mechanics of a Cherry tac switch like the Italian and me...
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #477 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:32:10 »
Quote from: The Solutor;398995
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?14646-ANSI-or-ISO-Which-lay-out-do-you-prefer&p=324953&viewfull=1#post324953

Well again you know what they say about opinions... nudge nudge

Great thing the world is different... different cultures... customs etc...

Heck we all don't want to be like Americans!!!
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #478 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:34:02 »
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Well, it's pretty easy to visualize when I have a opened switch in front of me and have no idea what you are talking about.

Well if you have "no idea" as in not an inkling then I'd have to say your simply not bright enough to understand.

That your mechanical thinking skills... BLOW
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Offline HiroPro

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« Reply #479 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:37:19 »
Quote from: ripster;399004
No really. Open a switch and see for yourself. No spring to metal contact or plastic burrs anywhere the spring edge can catch on.

Back in the day we learned using experimentation and observation, not wikipedia.

Americans call this the "Keyboard Science" method.

Well perhaps Einstein the switch you pulled apart doesn't have the issue! You do have... how many switches? you tell me... odds are you chose one that's fine.

The rest of the world calls that common sense and basic reasoning skills...
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #480 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:41:08 »
Quote from: HiroPro;399001
Well again you know what they say about opinions... nudge nudge

Great thing the world is different... different cultures... customs etc...


Obviously I agree

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Heck we all don't want to be like Americans!!!


Sometimes Americans too... :happy:





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« Reply #481 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:42:56 »
Quote from: HiroPro;399007
The rest of the world calls that common sense and basic reasoning skills...


He call it "Italian logic"  (and I don't find it offensive :party: )
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« Reply #482 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:43:22 »
Quote from: ripster;399004
Back in the day we learned using experimentation and observation, not wikipedia.

Americans call this the "Keyboard Science" method.

Back in the day... ROTFL...

What in 1996?

Don't start talking about the state of the American educational system because the obvious is most apparent to the rest of us in the world.

I can make you feel like a **** head... BUT... NOT THE ONLY ****HEAD... (and Americans do love laughing at the expense of others as it's their cultural thing) considering in essence we are ALL ****HEADS... just some more than others I guess... different degrees of social evolution or something...
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« Reply #483 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:56:03 »
Quote from: ripster;399015
Todays word is Sheisskopf.

Anyway, the orientation of the spring does not cause ping.


OK you've over post count 39,407 so I don't have to be polite anymore.

Repeating your opinion a third time won't somehow make it anymore right or wrong.

It's your opinion. I personally feel otherwise because I've worked and replaced tac switches in an industrial and commercial manor and have seen/heard what people describe here as "ping".

So american...

Ok so if it's not what I assert, what is it caused by then ripster? If one is debating and another disagrees then usually they in-turn assert their theory or opinion as to the cause etc.

You have not done this.

If you are going to be as strong winded as to use the word BLOWS as you did please at the least allege another explanation.

Not doing so makes you appear to be a Sheisskopf as does you tag claiming to be "The Number One Keyboard Expert On The Planet" to be quite honest.

It's very crass... and everyone thinks it but most won't SAY IT

PS you do make up for it 150% though with your humor:peace:
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« Reply #484 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 21:13:04 »
Should this not be in the pinging thread rather than the Mionix one?

Anyway less than one month before I get my new Zibal :nod: and thanks for the unboxing link guilleguillaume.
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« Reply #485 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 21:38:01 »
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Hey, that's what I said!

Absolutely, and to be honest if it pings I'll be conducting my own tests on the "rage proof durability" of the board.
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« Reply #486 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 22:30:59 »
well post the friggin href then you dolts
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« Reply #487 on: Mon, 15 August 2011, 18:31:02 »
LOL

Well it looks like a great keyboard that's for sure. The price is steep but I might bite when some of you experts here get your hands on it and give a review of it. I know it will be THOROUGH and totally UNBIASED.

Mionix despite the stupid looking logo seem to be on their ODM in terms of QC and rep here seem to suggest they are working on the keyboard encoder microcode and host APIC or what ever...
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« Reply #488 on: Wed, 17 August 2011, 03:38:18 »



EDIT:
For people who are arguing about the LED color
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« Reply #489 on: Wed, 17 August 2011, 13:04:40 »
Nice, thanks for the pics.
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« Reply #490 on: Thu, 18 August 2011, 19:36:26 »
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EDIT:
For people who are arguing about the LED color
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AN INCONSISTENCY!!! the 0 and Ins are in the wrong places. 0 should be above Ins, just like . above Del and 3 above PgDn. Mionix, please take note?
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« Reply #491 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 02:00:02 »
True.
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« Reply #492 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 10:19:00 »
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I could be blowing this out my ass like


Isn't this the normal behavior for you ? :party:
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« Reply #493 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 10:59:45 »
italians have the best taste in women. like snookie
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« Reply #494 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 12:33:16 »
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I heard Abercrombie and Fitch will pay The Solutor if he stops posting here.


What about Simon ad Garfunkel and  Young & Rubicam :party:
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« Reply #495 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 12:51:26 »
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italians have the best taste in women.


Italians have the best taste in anything :first:


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« Reply #496 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 12:54:34 »
except in politicians...

:-)
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« Reply #497 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 13:49:22 »
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except in politicians...

:-)


Our masochism is better than yours...:yield:
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« Reply #498 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 13:54:41 »
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Italians have the best taste in anything :first:


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« Reply #499 on: Fri, 19 August 2011, 13:57:51 »
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glad you agree you like snookie


It's your sister ? I'm afraid you have to look elsewhere to find her an husband
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