Change keyboard layout into swedish.

[MartZink]

I want to buy a Filco or Ducky but thay are so expensive to get here in Sweden, so I was thinking if I could buy a board from asia and change the layout into swedish.

I've heard that you can't turn a english board into swedish because english has 104 buttons and swedish 105.
But is there any other language that I can make a swedish one of?

Oh, is there any other place exept from The Keyboard Company that I can buy a swedish filco?

Thanks in advance, sorry if I missed some threads about this.

[Findecanor]

The common Swedish layout is an ISO layout. The US-ANSI layout is common in Asia, except in Japan where they use the JIS layout.

The ANSI layout has a horizontal Enter key. Except having a vertical Enter key the ISO layout also has a key in-between Left Shift and Z that the US-ANSI layout lacks.
Other than those keys, the only differences between layouts is:
1. In the OS
2. What is printed on the key caps.
This means that if you set Swedish layout in the OS, then you will get an Å character when you press the [ keym, for instance.

A foreign layout should therefore work fine ... as long as you don't have to look at the keys.

Beware that you may have to pay toll and 25% tax on the cost of the keyboard ... and the cost of the shipping ... and then 25% tax on the toll ...
You should take that into account. The customs office does not add customs charges to all packages -- they tend to slip now and then, but not always.

Getting a Swedish layout on the keyboard may be worth the extra cost of ordering from The Keyboard Co, in my opinion.

[Alex]

I didn't know it was that easy.. But since it lacks the ">", "<" and "|" button, can you type them without using alt codes?

[CeeSA]

have a look here:
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_search.asp?SG=10038

[The Solutor]

Is not what you are looking for, and is likely out of budget, but there's a topre keyboard with the Nordic layout

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/?page=http://www.verkkokauppa.com/main.php?path=oheislaitteet%2Fnappaimistot&title=Oheislaitteet+/+N%E4pp%E4imist%F6t&search=1&cat1=Oheislaitteet&cat2=N%E4pp%E4imist%F6t&brand=Topre

the space saving version should came soon.

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=36437

[MartZink]

Oh, in that case its better to just get the swedish one from The Keyboard conmpany, too bad the tenkeyless is out of stock until June 15 :/

Thanks for the help

[MartZink]

The common Swedish layout is an ISO layout. The US-ANSI layout is common in Asia, except in Japan where they use the JIS layout.

The ANSI layout has a horizontal Enter key. Except having a vertical Enter key the ISO layout also has a key in-between Left Shift and Z that the US-ANSI layout lacks.
Other than those keys, the only differences between layouts is:
1. In the OS
2. What is printed on the key caps.
This means that if you set Swedish layout in the OS, then you will get an Å character when you press the [ keym, for instance.

A foreign layout should therefore work fine ... as long as you don't have to look at the keys.

Beware that you may have to pay toll and 25% tax on the cost of the keyboard ... and the cost of the shipping ... and then 25% tax on the toll ...
You should take that into account. The customs office does not add customs charges to all packages -- they tend to slip now and then, but not always.

Getting a Swedish layout on the keyboard may be worth the extra cost of ordering from The Keyboard Co, in my opinion.

Oh, in that case it would be better to just get the swedish one from The Keyboard conmpany, too bad the tenkeyless is out of stock until June 15 :/

Thanks for the help

[The Solutor]

Oh, in that case its better to just get the swedish one from The Keyboard conmpany

Yes, but just to compare the prices
KB Co sells the nordic topre for 192 pounds while the Finnish site sells it for 169 euro, a bit better deal...

[MartZink]

Yes, but just to compare the prices
KB Co sells the nordic topre for 192 pounds while the Finnish site sells it for 169 euro, a bit better deal...

Yes they got a better price for the topre, still it's too expensive (even the Filco for 140 euro is quite a strech/too much really)
I don't know that much about the topre, but mabey I'll go and find out some more about it. It sounds kinda Floppy: flop flop flop...flop flop

[The Solutor]

(even the Filco for 140 euro is quite a strech/too much really)

 
Yes, the options for the ISO people are not too much.

BTW you can consider a cheaper board like the UK Black Widow or a German cherry, and then use the stickers to made the keyboard Nordic.

I used the black ones on a tinkpad and they are very nice: matte, thin, and durable.

[MartZink]

Yes, the options for the ISO people are not too much.

BTW you can consider a cheaper board like the UK Black Widow or a German cherry, and then use the stickers to made the keyboard Nordic.

I used the black ones on a tinkpad and they are very nice: matte, thin, and durable.

Well, I think that I'll get a Blackwindow because it's so much cheaper (around €50 less) but I havn't tried it yet so I dont know if i want the BW Blues or to get a Filco with browns.

What does a Cherry board normaly cost?

[The Solutor]

Well, I think that I'll get a Blackwindow because it's so much cheaper (around €50 less) but I havn't tried it yet so I dont know if i want the BW Blues or to get a Filco with browns.

Personally I like the blue switches more, the browns are a bit too linear for my taste, the tactile feedback is almost not noticeable, keep in mind that the BW exist with various layout, and the one you can find easier is the US/ANSI (one key less and horizontal Enter) so eyes wide open if you're going to buy one.

What does a Cherry board normaly cost?

You can find one, brand new, for around for 40/45 euros depending on the layout, size, and type of switches, usually the DE variant is cheaper.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html?q=cherry+g80

http://www.preisroboter.de/search.php?search=cherry+g80&min=&max=&x=0&y=0

Some DE resellers are used to give better prices when coming from a link provided by a price search engine, like the ones I linked.

[MartZink]

Personally I like the blue switches more, the browns are a bit too linear for my taste, the tactile feedback is almost not noticeable, keep in mind that the BW exist with various layout, and the one you can find easier is the US/ANSI (one key less and horizontal Enter) so eyes wide open if you're going to buy one.




You can find one, brand new, for around for 40/45 euros depending on the layout, size, and type of switches, usually the DE variant is cheaper.

http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html?q=cherry+g80

http://www.preisroboter.de/search.php?search=cherry+g80&min=&max=&x=0&y=0

Some DE resellers are used to give better prices when coming from a link provided by a price search engine, like the ones I linked.

Yes I know, we have the swe version in our local shops, and i will buy it from some local shop if i do.

Oh the Cherries are really cheap! But are they any good?

[The Solutor]

Cherry are good keyboards, the main difference with more priced keyboard are the switches, which are PCB mounted V.S. plate mounted.

This means that the typing sound is a bit different, the keyboard is lighter, and the switches are easier to replace (no soldering needed).

The keycaps are usually very good, and the housing is a bit less refined.

Other than that a cherry switch is still a cherry switch on la filco, like on a cherry, like on a BW.

Personally I think that a cherry board is a good option for a first keyboard, for the same price of a filco you can get three cherry boards, one per switch, so you can keep the one you like more and sell (or return) the two you like less.

[MartZink]

Cherry are good keyboards, the main difference with more priced keyboard are the switches, which are PCB mounted V.S. plate mounted.

This means that the typing sound is a bit different, the keyboard is lighter, and the switches are easier to replace (no soldering needed).

The keycaps are usually very good, and the housing is a bit less refined.

Other than that a cherry switch is still a cherry switch on la filco, like on a cherry, like on a BW.

Personally I think that a cherry board is a good option for a first keyboard, for the same price of a filco you can get three cherry boards, one per switch, so you can keep the one you like more and sell (or return) the two you like less.

Okay mabey I will get one of those then, but what model should i get?

[quadibloc]

You could change anything except a U.S. keyboard into Swedish. French-Canadian, United Kingdom... any ISO layout with the 105th key, and there are a lot of them.

[The Solutor]

Okay mabey I will get one of those then, but what model should i get?

You can get the idea and the nomenclature here
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Dating+Cherry+keyboards

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards

If you like the compact design I suggest the G80-1800-***DE-** models.

If you want to go full size look for G80-3000-***DE-**

DE (german) because they are (usually) cheaper

The ***DE number gives a lot of info

X***DE-** = the kind of keycap (eg L=Lasered, S=sublimated, and so on)

*Y**DE-** = the most important: switch type (eg Q = clear, P= Black, S=Blue)

***DE-ZZ = keyboard color (00= beige/white,  02 = Black)

[MartZink]

You can get the idea and the nomenclature here
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Dating+Cherry+keyboards

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards

If you like the compact design I suggest the G80-1800-***DE-** models.

If you want to go full size look for G80-3000-***DE-**

DE (german) because they are (usually) cheaper

The ***DE number gives a lot of info

X***DE-** = the kind of keycap (eg L=Lasered, S=sublimated, and so on)

*Y**DE-** = the most important: switch type (eg Q = clear, P= Black, S=Blue)

***DE-ZZ = keyboard color (00= beige/white,  02 = Black)

 

Oh, thank you very much for this, but as I look at the price with shipping and all it gets kinda high too so i think I will buy a Blackwidow anyways.

Keyboard: €50
Shipping : €20

Total: €70, and the Blackwidow which looks and is overall nicer is €90.

But thank you for helping me out, maybe I'll buy one of these later some time

[MartZink]

Bah, now I have checked out some boards and found these:     Same model MX blue,

This, or
http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/Eingabeger%E4te_Tastaturen_Cherry_Classic_Line_G80-3000_-_Tastatur_-_PS-2%2C_USB_-_105_Tasten_-_Hellgrau_-_Deutsch_%28G80-3000LSCDE-0%29_artnr_270537.html

Black version.
http://direkt.jacob-computer.de/Eingabeger%E4te_Tastaturen_Cherry_Classic_Line_G80-3000_-_Tastatur_-_PS-2%2C_USB_-_105_Tasten_-_Schwarz_-_Deutsch_%28G80-3000LSCDE-2%29_artnr_270549.html

But the problem is, I dont know if I should buy these or go with the Blackwidow.

The cherry board is quite good isn't it?

Cherry w. shipping and hassle: €70
Blackwidow local shop: €90

Not that big difference in price, but the BW looks nicer and such, but which is better of these two?

Is there any real difference or is it just the looks and preferance?

[The Solutor]

Frankly I would go for cherry.

BW, is absolutely not too bad but their customer care sucks, also BW has an hideous font on the keys, and lower and upper case symbols are inverted. This is not a problem if you plan to use the stickers, but is still a minus, the glossy case is an additional drawback.

On the other hand BW has the macros and 5 additional keys that are useful if you are an hard core gamer.

I bought my cherry white (used as donor board) from jacob, they where quick and nice to reply to my mails, the price was also good.

So my personal opinion is that, for a first keyboard, Cherry is a better choice (although BW is a good choice too).

P.S. It's likely a case, but my BW had a stuck key (i returned it), while the cherry board was perfect.

[penni]

I suggest the same.

Go for a DE layout cheap Cherry and try it out. It can relieve the urge until KeyboardCompany has SE/FI Majestouches in stock again.
I did this before the SE/FI layouts were available. Got a G80-11900LUMDE-2 off eBay for 20€ to test out blacks. After they were available ordered a FKBN105M/SWB; and when the tenkeyless arrived, two FKBN88M/SWB2

DE and SE layout have so little differences it doesn't bother at all. Only Z <-> Y and Å replaced with Ü (and a few others)

[Ekaros]

One option is Zowie Celeritas, around  120€...

Personaly I didn't much like G80-3000, have to try it bit more after I get myself away from Model M...

Main difference with DE and SW/FI is number row...

Also, 6Gv2 could possibly used for some caps. Did't this with 6G myself, profile is different though...

[MartZink]

Frankly I would go for cherry.

BW, is absolutely not too bad but their customer care sucks, also BW has an hideous font on the keys, and lower and upper case symbols are inverted. This is not a problem if you plan to use the stickers, but is still a minus, the glossy case is an additional drawback.

On the other hand BW has the macros and 5 additional keys that are useful if you are an hard core gamer.

I bought my cherry white (used as donor board) from jacob, they where quick and nice to reply to my mails, the price was also good.

So my personal opinion is that, for a first keyboard, Cherry is a better choice (although BW is a good choice too).

P.S. It's likely a case, but my BW had a stuck key (i returned it), while the cherry board was perfect.

Okay, but I feel that I like the BW more, and I can get it in my local store too so I think I'll get that one.
Thanks for all the info on the Cherry board, those serial numbers and letters were a pain trying to understand before

I suggest the same.

Go for a DE layout cheap Cherry and try it out. It can relieve the urge until KeyboardCompany has SE/FI Majestouches in stock again.
I did this before the SE/FI layouts were available. Got a G80-11900LUMDE-2 off eBay for 20€ to test out blacks. After they were available ordered a FKBN105M/SWB; and when the tenkeyless arrived, two FKBN88M/SWB2

DE and SE layout have so little differences it doesn't bother at all. Only Z <-> Y and Å replaced with Ü (and a few others)

Yes that would be good but I don't want to spend so much money on this right now, buying a cherry and then a filco is around €200 and thats too much

One option is Zowie Celeritas, around  120€...

Personaly I didn't much like G80-3000, have to try it bit more after I get myself away from Model M...

Main difference with DE and SW/FI is number row...

Also, 6Gv2 could possibly used for some caps. Did't this with 6G myself, profile is different though...

I've heard that many people have problems with it, and it's a little more expensive than BW.


Anyways, I have requested to get the STBAG (swich tryout bag), so that I really can decide what switch I want.

Thanks for all the help here  Have a nice day! bye