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Offline CephalicCarnage

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« on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 07:37:23 »
11 year old PC speakers just died and I'll be happy to replace them.  What do you guys recommend?

Computer speakers? Or amp + passive speakers?

At this point, almost anything will be an upgrade from what I was using before.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 10:03:36 »
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The biggest ass studio monitors you can afford.

This.  I like M-Audio.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 10:10:29 »
I just ordered a pair of these a few days ago.  I don't have them yet so I can't give you my impressions, but I thought they sounded promising from reviews elsewhere and they certainly look very nice:

http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?p=swan-d1080mkii08&products_id=161&osCsid=187ffbdd2ffcf1e730a84dd44e2ad642

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 10:30:41 »
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 10:43:56 »
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 11:00:24 »
I'm also looking for possible monitors that hook-up via USB. There seem to be some advantages. I hear alot about the KRK's.
http://www.krksys.com/
If you are near a GuitarCenter, you could check out the Alesis M1-ACTIVE-520-USB USB Studio Monitors Pair.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 12:36:48 »
I would look for a good deal on the active Quad monitors.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1306949613&/Quad-Powered-Monitors-12L--In-

Those are marked down heftily but the 11L version is smaller and cheaper and the used deals on the 11L are obviously even cheaper.

I have a pair of these and I love their size for my desktop setup. They are passive.

My biggest recommendation would be Audiogon. Get used speakers on there for awesome deals.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 14:57:24 »
Wow, lots of great suggestions.  I will have to spend some time looking into them all.

Otherwise, speaking of speakers, I'm sort of tempted by these to upgrade my HT setup.  Sounds like a steal.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 17:54:09 »
You should state a budget and the kind of listening distance you can establish. Sitting 2 feet away from 8" monitors will usually be not much worse an idea than 8' from wee little 4" jobs.
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 20:38:27 »
I bought KRK RP6G2's because I'm cheap.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 20:47:46 »
Today, I bought M-Audio BX8a's from Guitar Center. On sale $300/pair. I think they sound great and have bi-amplified 130 watts each. 8 inch woofers.
You can find some terrible reviews on these but also some great ones too. That's the way it is with speakers. I'll see what happens and how long they last.
As for the sound...I'm impressed for the price.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 May 2011, 21:21:35 »
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You should state a budget and the kind of listening distance you can establish. Sitting 2 feet away from 8" monitors will usually be not much worse an idea than 8' from wee little 4" jobs.

I feel comfortable around the $300 range, though up to $500 might be possible.  Monitors will likely sit about 1' from the wall and about 3' - 4' to my listening position.


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Re: the Atlantics a 4" woofer is a pretty small  speaker for a HT.  Without a carefully matched sub (and even then that's  too much a gap for me) I'd stay away.

Thanks for the tip.  Saved me some money on a near impulse buy.  Better  to spend the money on the monitors I've been getting suggestions for  eh?
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:42:39 »
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Monitors will likely sit about 1' from the wall and about 3' - 4' to my listening position.
That's only a bit more than I have here. I'd recommend sticking to the 5"/6" size class without ginormous woofer-tweeter spacing. BR ports on the front would be better, too, and you don't want too much amp hiss which plagues some models. I'd rather stay away from Yamaha's HS-50M, apparently a bit of a NS-10 soundalike (the HS-80M isn't).

Two models I'd think about offhand would be JBL LSR2325P and Yamaha MSP-5, but there should be quite a bit of selection in this price range.
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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:46:06 »
Speaking about JBL speakers, how do the LS40 rate?

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 00:16:20 »
i've got an audioengine n22 driving a pair of gallo nucleus. spherical enclosures are fantastic. orb mod1's might be a good cheaper alternative to the gallos.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 15:05:47 »
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Speaking about JBL speakers, how do the LS40 rate?
Their bigger brothers seem to do pretty well in reviews, but with that separate supertweeter (there's no way you can keep that closer than half wavelength at crossover) I'd say they need a certain minimum listening distance. Like 2..3 m or so. They definitely aren't nearfield speakers. Interestingly enough, they don't seem to be more sensitive than average in spite of the horn. Guess it's the woofers that don't allow any more. (Would be in line with the LS80 being more sensitive than the LS60.) In return, the absence of typical "horn sound" was noted, so the horn guys at JBL definitely did their homework.

Speaking of "horn sound", the consensus on that used to be that it was caused by relatively high levels of nonlinearity. Turns out it has more to do with reflections inside the horn, which in turn cause linear distortion (comb filter effect) when then interacts with hearing nonlinearity. Look up the papers published by Geddes and Lee.
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 14 May 2011, 01:16:53 »
Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions.  Final exams are OVER! so time to seriously look into what I'll be buying.  The more research I do, the bigger and better I want to get, though I think knowing that I'll be moving across an ocean in 1.5-2 years makes me wonder if I should really invest now, and deal with having to move heavy quality equipment vs. something cheaper for now, and buy something really nice after the move.

@lysol - How is that n22 working for you? I was just looking at that.

@audioave10 - nice price! Was sort of considering the BX5a. Still a little more reading up to do before jumping in.

On top of it all, most of the good deals I find are completely destroyed by shipping costs to Hawaii.  Guess that's what happens when buying something that actually weights a few pounds (or kilos).
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 14 May 2011, 02:21:08 »
Well, I'm getting on a plane and flying off to Portland, OR tomorrow. (I'm so relieved my HHKB Pro2 arrived in the mail today... was starting to get nervous that I'd be gone before the packaged arrived.)  I'm sure I'll be able to find a few music stores to check out some monitors in person.  The selection out here in the middle of the ocean isn't the greatest, and shipping costs suck :(  Hmm... wonder if I could bring back a couple of monitors as my carry-on luggage...

On a side note, I ended up ordering Audio Technica ATH-AD700 headphones... I've lost my mind and I'm spending well beyond my means hah.

@keyb_gr - I've been reading good things about those JBLs and Yamahas.  I hope to check them out in person.
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 14 May 2011, 03:43:49 »
keyb_gr, thanks. Alas, LS80 sound nice but are too big. I'll try to look up your recommended reading.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 14 May 2011, 04:09:33 »
n22 is fantastic for my needs. i bought it from audioengine direct and i say they had the best packing of anything i've received. came in an outer box with foam rubber then the n22 itself was doubleboxed in a warehouse then retail box. inside it was packed in individual velvet bags. came with high grade speaker and rca cables. the unit itself is very well made and quite heavy duty. has rca and 3.5mm inputs that can be used simultaneously. headphones out has the TI OPA2134 op-amp. one of the best amps in the under $400 range. as for the sound - very pure to its source. dosen't seem to add any coloration what so ever. i use it for both my computer and turntable (via a separate behringer pre-amp). i can't really tell the difference between my records and lossless digital files. i think you'd have to go all the way up to something like a peachtree to get better.
i'd absolutely recommend it.
also if you get it from audioengine you have 30 days to return it for a full refund if it isn't sufficient.
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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 19 May 2011, 15:21:27 »
@lysol - That n22 sounds great!  It's so difficult to hang on to my money...

Update - Thanks again everyone for the recommendations.  I'm playing tourist in Portland, OR right now and managed to get to a Guitar Center and saw that the M-Audio sale that audioave10 mentioned is still going on.  Checked out those BX8As though they were a bit too large to consider carrying back to Hawaii and the low end seemed to get a touch muddy for my tastes.

I really loved the Tannoy Reveal 501a pair which sounded nicely balanced though I wouldn't have been able to stuff it in my suitcase so I ended up buying the M-Audio BX5A Deluxe which was on sale.  Not 100% pleased with it since it seemed a little bit harsh in the highs when compared to others, but it should be good enough for my last 2 years in Hawaii before I move to Portland.  KRK monitors sound great as well, so I'll likely go with either Tannoy or KRK when I upgrade.

I hardly know anything about reference monitors since these will by my first pair so take my assessment of them with a grain of salt eh?

In other news, I've been looking at this Yulong U100 lately as well.  Sounds nice!
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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 19 May 2011, 20:39:40 »
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In other news, I've been looking at this Yulong U100 lately as well.  Sounds nice!

I don't have either, but that review actually makes the Audinst appeal to me more than the Yulong he's championing.  You never know when you're going to want the SPDIF out feature, that headphone/speaker switch looks pretty useful, and you don't have to plug in a power supply to use it.  I'm actually a bit confused as to why he's saying it's worth it to pay more for the Yulong - is it just because it's white and pretty?  All those extremely subjective "better articuluation" and "better separation" lines don't seem particularly convincing to me.

Also the Audinst is Korean instead of Chinese, and I've had very good experiences with Korean products in the past (not so much with Chinese).  I guess I'm just biased like that.
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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 01:26:16 »
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Yulong sounds like the Chinese equivalent of John Holmes.

:lol:

During the drive "home" last night, passed a Chinese place called "Hung Far Low" *sigh*

Randomly wandering around in tourist mode, my girlfriend managed to spot a little headphone boutique in Portland! Awesome shop with a great variety of high end headphones, amps, dacs, speakers etc.

http://www.32ohmaudio.com/location.php
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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 08:45:28 »
a pair of jbl monitor ^^ would be my advice. kr

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 21 May 2011, 11:36:35 »
Guitar Center (if you are near one) has many monitors to listen to.
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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 22 May 2011, 23:32:28 »
I'm curious why studio monitor speakers are recommended much more for PC opposed to good hifi bookshelves? I get that it's easier to get active monitors, but decent t-amps are pretty cheap too.

Not banging on the recommendations, just curious.

I've been looking at the Swans M200MKIII, or some wharfedale 9.2's.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 11:12:23 »
I have a large Yamaha receiver and a pair of Paradigm speakers (better than my monitors). I just hadn't bothered to clean the receiver and move it all to my
computer room. I'm sure I'll try that eventually.
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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 23 May 2011, 12:14:20 »
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I'm curious why studio monitor speakers are recommended much more for PC opposed to good hifi bookshelves? I get that it's easier to get active monitors, but decent t-amps are pretty cheap too.
Passive speakers need some room for an amp somewhere. High-order crossovers and EQing also eat up some efficiency, not to mention the cost for still rather non-ideal capacitors and inductors. (A 4th-order crossover is pretty easy to do in an active speaker, in a passive one it'll get expensive. High-order crossovers are good for getting crossover frequency down - which in turn allows for wider dispersion while keeping good integration of woofer and tweeter - with reduced risk of the tweeter burning up. The overlap in frequency response also gets smaller, and thus the associated anomalies in vertical dispersion.) It's also much easier to integrate frequency response tweaks.

Maybe the most significant argument: Monitors are built for work. You don't pay for fancy looks, and margins aren't as high as in the hi-fi market in general (at least in the "mainstream" range). You're also more likely to find ones built with state-of-the-art construction principles somewhat further up the ladder.

Both active and passive speakers can be optimized for varying listening distances, but classic hi-fi speakers with widely spaced drivers and low-order crossovers tend to be rather uninspiring in nearfield use.

Anyway, there are good and bad designs in both camps. (There's a good bit of contracting work going on in this area anyway.) It's just harder to weed out the hi-fi speakers because there's such an awful lot of them.
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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 24 May 2011, 19:46:13 »
Thanks for the informative responses. The discussion has sent me spiraling through a bunch of studio/audiophile forums. It's convinced me to try out a pair of Yamaha HS50M's for cheap, i'll try and match it with a hifi sub for now and see where we go (though I don't expect the pair will match well), until I can find the Yamaha HS10W for a good price if I continue down the studio monitors path.

My major concern with using studio monitors for speakers is that the sound signature would not be very suitable for musicality, but I'm after speakers that can provide me with an articulate sound stage in a very near field setup, studio monitors seem the way to go in this regard. I've given up on trying to get clear soundstaging from headphones.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 25 May 2011, 12:03:59 »
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My recording engineer roommate hated those white cone Yamaha NS-10s with a passion.
For good reason. They became popular as kind of a "average crummy home hi-fi speaker" reference - if it sounds good on those, it'll sound good anywhere. But that was 30 years ago. Today inexpensive in-ears will commonly deviate from a neutral response in exactly the opposite direction. Your best bet is mixing such that it sounds dead on with a neutral setup.
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I'm just glad I wasn't born with the curse of perfect pitch.  Allows me to listen to modern pop.
Not sure what you mean here. I'm the last one ever to claim to have perfect pitch (I can zero-beat speech in SSB to within about +/- 20 Hz, that's it), but there's plenty of modern pop that I'd consider dreadful for all kinds of reasons. Like the kind that's autotuned to hell and back (pitch should be dead on there, right?). At the same time, there's plenty of good stuff out there, too.
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