Author Topic: Help plz! Filco Fukka or XM? (Read 6357 times)

somegeek · « **on:** Tue, 07 June 2011, 10:21:37 »

I think this are fukkas, but i saw some pictures and the inscription in fukka switches is "5 S" and this one inscription is "5 N", maybe another moddel? Any idea?

Keyboard: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=853

FKBN87Z/EB Filco ZERO Tenkeyless, NKR USA Keyboard

Pics:
http://img148.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=foto0001k.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/foto0003en.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/foto0002m.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/148/foto0001k.jpg/

sorry for bad quallity

BTW, i must say the sound of the keys is anoying, i used it for 20' and i allready hate that ugly metalic sound!!! :S:S

somegeek · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 07 June 2011, 11:39:34 »

any one plz?

somegeek · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 07 June 2011, 11:50:15 »

Sorry but i dont understand you -.-!

somegeek · « **Reply #3 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 16:44:30 »

I really really really bealive this are not XM, because i saw pictures of XM and fukkas and this are pretty much the same design as fukkas. And because im pretty confortable with this keyboard.

Btw, i read this one is the XM zero: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=621

And this is what i buyed: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=853

Pretty much the same description but the firstone had the serial "FKBN87Z/EB-Y" and this one is "FKBN87Z/EB".

Thats why i bealive this are not XM, you saw pictures? I really dont want to dissamble switches because im a noob and i could broke it :S

Other tought, the box dosnt says "XM Click" it says something in korean, i dont understand korean but i saw old zero XM had labbeled in the box "XM White", IN MY CASE the box looks like this one:

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/FKBN87ZEB_face_th620x400.jpg

hope you can help me

EDIT: here is the old zero XM box, you will note it was labeled ad "XM", mine is labeled as "SOMEKOREAN****- Click"

http://webwit.nl/input/filco/boxes.jpg

Soarer · « **Reply #4 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 17:20:43 »

It does sound like it's a mistake in KeyboardCo's description, and they are really Fukka switches in the version they sell now.

wanabe · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 17:50:30 »

this should help ... http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?6797-FKBN87Z-EB-versus-EB-Y

let me quote a little blast from the past... "the Fukkas score 12-13 rips, and the XMs 15-16 rips (rip = unit of measure of the ripometer)."

reaper · « **Reply #6 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 17:55:49 »

lol They're in Japanese, not Korean and it only says "White switches" on the side. Here's my box:

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On the front it just says "NKRO support" and "Zero Tenkeyless". No mention of switch type anywhere on the front.

Soarer · « **Reply #7 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:25:05 »

Quote from: reaper~;357517

No mention of switch type anywhere on the front.

Apart from "?? Click" on a white background just above the end of 'Tenkeyless'!

Pan 35 right... zoom in...

somegeek · « **Reply #8 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:26:15 »

My switches looks exactly like this one, but the inscription is "5 N" insted of "5 S".

Wahat do u think?

Soarer · « **Reply #9 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:35:43 »

I don't think the letters and numbers indicate the switch type, or we'd likely have a vast table of them in the wiki!

I think there's a very slight colour difference between Fukka and XM, but it's so subtle that even with photos using the same white balance I don't think it would be possible to tell one from the other.

As said before, there is a noticable difference in the force it takes to activate the switch - stack some coins and measure it :-)

reaper · « **Reply #10 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:41:34 »

Quote from: Soarer;357528

Apart from "?? Click" on a white background just above the end of 'Tenkeyless'!

Do'h I guess I missed that one. lol Anyway, it says "White stems" or in this case it's "White switches" and then the word "Click". No mentioning of XM or ALPS or FUKKA.

Soarer · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:45:57 »

Quote from: reaper~;357546

Do'h I guess I missed that one. lol Anyway, it says "White stems" or in this case it's "White switches" and then the word "Click". No mentioning of XM or ALPS or FUKKA.

Heh, oh well, thanks for the translation :-)

somegeek · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 18:48:10 »

I just posted a picture of the switch here... no too much definition, when i arrive honme i will take with a better camera:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/foto0003en.jpg/

somegeek · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 19:10:40 »

hell yeah baby, im quite sure they are fukkas! xD

I will take a better picture soon, hope it helps some

!

I really like this keyboard

:P

BTW, where is the alps wiki? link plz

Soarer · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 19:33:33 »

Read it, and forgotten it already, more like. Problem of being senior.

All I know is, I have a bag of each here, and I know which is which!

Fukka left, XM right... Fukkas are distinctly white...

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somegeek · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 08 June 2011, 19:40:21 »

OK THANKS A LOT GUYS! Now im totally sure that i got FUKKAS, no doubt about it

!!!

Thanks a lot, and you know if someone whant a good and cheep mechanic keyboard, filco zero with fukkas at 70 pound in keyboardco

Thanks again!!

Bilbin · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 23 June 2011, 16:26:07 »

Yours? I thought it was your son's.

Daniel Beardsmore · « **Reply #17 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 15:42:42 »

The photos in the OP clearly show Fukkas – Bruce and co are doing themselves a huge disservice by pretending that they're still selling XMs, I mean, that's anti-advertising! I've given Bruce a heads up on this.

My only issue with the FKBN87Z/EB family is that it's in ANSI layout, but as a Fukka this is a perfectly decent Dutch ALPS tenkeyless, as they use ANSI, not ISO. (Judging by the Deskthority interest check for the KBC Poker, most Europeans prefer ISO – hopefully we can get KBC to pull that off.)

SmallFry · « **Reply #18 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 15:50:46 »

Oooh a Flico with ALPS holes! SmallFry must obtain one even if it has XM's.

Daniel Beardsmore · « **Reply #19 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 15:52:54 »

Yeah you're a bit far away to dump my dreadful FILCO Zero XM on

I suspect there are others in the US who would love to see the back of that keyboard.

Now, with Fukkas on the other hand ... :-)

Daniel Beardsmore · « **Reply #20 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 15:54:59 »

While you're there, what does a RipOmeter say about complicated greens in the Zeniths? I'm curious how they compare to Stiffie Greens (XM greens @ 85–95 g to bottom out!)

SmallFry · « **Reply #21 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 15:57:49 »

Uhh.... to find my nickles... never RipOMeter'd any keys yet... ok so lets find some nickles. I'll be back.

SmallFry · « **Reply #22 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 16:21:24 »

My green compicateds are at 12 nickles, which by my calculation is 60g.

Daniel Beardsmore · « **Reply #23 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 16:23:58 »

Is that actuation? I presume it takes another 10g or so to bottom out? Tactile switches drop fully at the point of actuation but I was finding that linear switches another coin to make them fully bottom out.

That sounds about right though – much lighter than Stiffie Greens.

SmallFry · « **Reply #24 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 16:33:11 »

That was to the bottom. I cant aquakeytest it etc at the moment because I need to get a teensy. I could hook up my volt meter I guess, but I havent a clue where to hook it up. At the switch points or at the keyboard connector or where?

Daniel Beardsmore · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon, 22 August 2011, 16:52:38 »

I always carefully place the coins on one at a time. I may be Doing it Wrong™.

Oh, these are XT keyboards? Ouch! I thought they were AT. Yeah I can see the problem with measuring actuation now.

However, for me, simply to know that bottoming out is 55–60 g tells me that they're far from the brutality of Stiffie Greens (85–95 g to bottom out!) Sounds about the same weight as a Cherry MX black.

My only linear keyboard is the BBC Micro with a Type 1 keyboard, which actuates around the 8th £1 coin, so that's 75 g. Bottoming out is hard to make out, but around £9 (85 g). Not a Stiffie by any means, but certainly not a softie either. I'm hoping that KBC can be convinced to pull off an ISO Poker which I'll get with either Cherry blacks or reds, but I'm not sure whether I'll find red too light, or black too heavy for a linear force curve. I'm told that Cherry MX linear switches feel a lot better than BBC Micro switches, but I don't know what type of switch that guy had experienced – I'm only familiar with the type 1. Surely linear is just linear though? How can you have different properties of a linear switch?

(Yeah bye bye thread topic ... oops)

Bruce · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 23 August 2011, 04:43:33 »

Hi Guys.
Apologies for this. I checked a few months back for a Geekhack member who asked and it is a Fukka in the Zero. I should have had it changed on the details then but it seems I failed in that. Sorry for the confusion.

SmallFry · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 23 August 2011, 09:22:35 »

W00T! Hey Bruce, do you ship to the CONUS, or happen to know anyone that would stock these boards in the CONUS? I'd love to get my hands on one (when i get the cash). :frown:

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Author Topic: Help plz! Filco Fukka or XM? (Read 6357 times)