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Offline REVENGE

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Vintage IBM (Beam Spring?) Keyboard
« on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 07:25:13 »
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-IBM-5641316-330X-23-R0087-Clicky-Keyboard-/190558132310

Made in 85. The keys on the one in the pic look like new.
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Offline Sam

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 08:28:32 »
Yep, those are beam springs, but they're way overpriced.  I've bought several of the exact same model number for about $70 from recyclers, also in similar condition to what's pictured.

Offline mr_a500

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 08:35:38 »
I prefer this beam spring keyboard:



...but I'd probably only pay $100 for it.

Offline Sam

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 08:44:29 »
A board very similar to that, same basic keyboard but without the 12-key pad on the right side sold for just a hair over $100 recently on eBay.  Though shipping to Canada would probably be a problem for you.

Offline mr_a500

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 09:11:52 »
I wish I'd seen that auction. Shipping would probably be at least $45 on top of that - and that's if the seller wasn't a ripoff artist. I just saw a little adapter on eBay that they wanted $89 to ship to Canada! Unbelievable. The damn thing would actually only cost $4 in a bubble envelope.

Offline Sam

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 09:27:48 »
Well that's the only one of that type I've seen on US/Canada eBay in a year.  And all the recyclers I've checked don't have any.  So you might have quite a wait till the next one comes around.

Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 23 July 2011, 09:31:46 »
I've been fond of the space saving version

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Offline Sam

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 28 July 2011, 19:36:43 »
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I've been fond of the space saving version

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Yep, nothing like a space saving beam spring board.

Two of these (the ones mentioned in the OP) have already sold, with one remaining.  Looks like four people were interested and made offers.  Two of the offers were declined and two accepted.

Offline EverythingIBM

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 28 July 2011, 19:40:36 »
Asides for the feel (and maybe look -- although those look quite ugly in contrast to some of the pretty selectrics I've seen), can you actually use them? I'm not sure if I'd want a keyboard I couldn't use, lol.
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Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 28 July 2011, 19:44:35 »
They would be a challenge to make usable but it's possible according to kbdbabel.
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Offline Sam

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 28 July 2011, 19:52:51 »
Yes, you can actually use them if you're capable of building your own controller.  I rigged up something which allows me to connect mine to a modern PC, but it's no where near any sort of commercial product.  I took a different commercial product I had built, which is rather expensive and large, made some connections between it and the terminal base unit and custom programmed the microcontrollers inside my box to interpret the signals.  About as far from being an elegant solution as you can get, but I just wanted to see if it could be done.  One of these days I might make it into a practical form-factor, but I think one or two others are working on making a controller for beam spring boards as well, and given my lack of time to work on it, they'll likely beat me to it.

I agree that they're not the most aesthetically pleasing boards, but they're certainly way better than the Displaywriter beam spring boards.  I think those were some of the ugliest keyboards IBM produced.

Regardless though, all beam spring boards and Selectrics are huge heavy monsters, which very few people would want on their desk even if they could interface them to a PC.  I personally don't mind, being I love the feel of those old keyboards, but if one were to ever interest more than a select few in using something like that, it would have to be made into a much smaller/lighter package.

Offline xwhatsit

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 29 July 2011, 18:12:10 »
I bought one (of the three that were on offer at the time) from that eBay auction. I certainly didn't pay the asked price, though! Put in a lower offer and you might be surprised.

I have a 5251 (7361073) board already, and this is more of the same (although the 3278 layout, doesn't seem as nice as the 5251 layout). So if a 3279 board comes up (that is a seriously cool board! Indicator lamps and the works :)) I might have to shift one of the ones I've got.

It hasn't arrived yet, but the pictures do seem to point to good condition. Not too many bent/out of position keys (they're so high up and tall they can be quite loose).

I got the 5251 board on the scope yesterday and it seems you're right, Sam, a replacement Model F controller and a replacement Beamspring controller will have to be different enough that they might as well be a different design entirely. Nevermind the 16x8 matrix in a Model F (the beamsprings have 23x4, weird! Although that'll mean half as much board-space in my design), the amount of capacitance in each key is less in the beamsprings. I get a nice big spike of 200mV or so in the Model F, but the beamspring only looks like ~100mV or so on the scope, and a noisy signal at that. If you look at the Model F PCB it's got that much more ground shielding around the sense pads. Hopefully the beamspring board doesn't require too much filtering to get reliable operation or else the controller could get expensive (my biggest worry, actually, is just finding a 3.96mm edge connector to connect to the matrix!).
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