[GB] Double shot replacements ROUND FOUR! - SHIPPING!

[sinis]

Why not international bank transfer. The bank transfer from germany to USA is not that expensive. The other way round should work also.

[byFd]

quick question. what different color choices would i have if i want some arrow keys (CARROWS)?

[kps]

I need some help to decide which spherical keys should be from row 3 and whoich should be from their native row.

Personally, I would make all the 'blue keys' row 3 (including the function keys, cursor block, and tab), and the others (including the number pad) their native row. But it won't change my order if they're not.

If the function keys are row 3, at least the other keys from the function row (ESC, etc.) should also be row 3.

I would also appreciate the option of a 2.25 matte RETURN. (I plan to use 1.25 and 1.75 shifts to leave no other gaps.)

[7bit]

Why not international bank transfer. The bank transfer from germany to USA is not that expensive. The other way round should work also.

We collect money from all over the world!

It does not make sense to collect all the money in Germany (or somewhere else outside the USA).

Sure, I can pay SP directly with the EU money, but this is only OK because there will be exchange fees and all that charged only once.

[7bit]

Personally, I would make all the 'blue keys' row 3 (including the function keys, cursor block, and tab), and the others (including the number pad) their native row. But it won't change my order if they're not.

If the function keys are row 3, at least the other keys from the function row (ESC, etc.) should also be row 3.

I would also appreciate the option of a 2.25 matte RETURN. (I plan to use 1.25 and 1.75 shifts to leave no other gaps.)

OK, I think I can add these (2.25 units keys) somewhere ...

[7bit]

quick question. what different color choices would i have if i want some arrow keys (CARROWS)?

NONE.

Also, there are currently no orders for them at all.

[Ixana]

I wanted to know if there was any update from SP about them being able to make the spacebar for the leopold FC500 or not...

Thanks for letting us know!

[dorkvader]

I need some help to decide which spherical keys should be from row 3 and whoich should be from their native row.

All alnum and punctuation keys should be from their specific row (1-4). Some modifiers do not exist in the rows where they would be needed.

Also, the space bars are all from row 3, so bottom modifiers would be better from row 3 too. As a side-effect, they would be more thumb-friendly.

I recommend to do all fuction keys in row 3, because they are usually not touch typed anyway and it would allow more flexibility.

2 units keys are not available in row 1 anyway, so row 3 is the best choice for them.

What about cursor keys? I'd prefer them from row 4, but on the other hand, they are kind of function keys.

Because we will save some function keys, I could add both variants.

Another question would be what to do with the numpad?

I think all the modifiers, spacebar, shift, enter |\, backspace, etc should be row3. The numpad should be flat also, I really like the numpad on my olivetti, which in done that way. It sort of helps when typing in numbers.

More importantly, if the QWER... row is the same as the ASDF... row, then we'd need a lot less keys for Dvorak, namely: ['"][,<][.>][C][/?][+=][N][-_][;:][Q][J][K][W] and the nubbed F and H as well as the {[}] keys on the number row.

What's the normal ordering, 112344? How about 123344 instead?

[oneproduct]

I need some help to decide which spherical keys should be from row 3 and which should be from their native row.

All alnum and punctuation keys should be from their specific row (1-4). Some modifiers do not exist in the rows where they would be needed.

Also, the space bars are all from row 3, so bottom modifiers would be better from row 3 too. As a side-effect, they would be more thumb-friendly.

I recommend to do all fuction keys in row 3, because they are usually not touch typed anyway and it would allow more flexibility.

2 units keys are not available in row 1 anyway, so row 3 is the best choice for them.

What about cursor keys? I'd prefer them from row 4, but on the other hand, they are kind of function keys.

Because we will save some function keys, I could add both variants.

Another question would be what to do with the numpad?

First, just to make sure that I understand how you are numbering the rows. Are you doing 4-4-3-2-1-1 from bottom to top? (i.e. the opposite way from how WASD keyboards does it: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/individual-blank-keycaps.html)

Which modifiers are not available in the rows where they would be needed? Without knowing which ones are missing it's hard to say exactly what I think would be best.

What do you mean by function keys? Just F1-F12 or everything like Shift, \|, backspace and such? In any case, I think that they should all stay in their native profile where possible and just have one or two that are not right. I don't know just how many would be wrong though, you'll have to tell me which ones are not available.

For the bottom row modifiers row 3 would be fine to match the spacebar. At least they will still be inclined the same way and who knows, maybe that part about being more from friendly will be nice. I wouldn't mind them as row 4 either though and just have the spacebar wrong.

I think all the modifiers, spacebar, shift, enter |\, backspace, etc should be row3. The numpad should be flat also, I really like the numpad on my olivetti, which in done that way. It sort of helps when typing in numbers.

For people who want to remap their caps lock key to either control or backspace (me! For Colemak! Even if you don't use Colemak you really should try using backspace instead of caps lock, it's fantastic and I got some of my Qwerty friends to try it using a simple registry edit in windows) I really think that the caps lock key should be the native row. It would be weird for me to have Caps Lock and "A" next to each other at different heights because I use the pinky for both of them and use both quite often.

Why is it that you want all these keys to be row 3 though? Why not keep to the standard row profiles where possible?

[7bit]

Row counting is as SP does it!

What do you mean by function keys? Just F1-F12 or everything like Shift, \|, backspace and such? In any case, I think that they should all stay in their native profile where possible and just have one or two that are not right. I don't know just how many would be wrong though, you'll have to tell me which ones are not available.

Function keys are the keys above the number row (which is above QWERTY-row) and also those 2 columns to the left like on terminal keyboards and good old Model F.

For the bottom row modifiers row 3 would be fine to match the spacebar. At least they will still be inclined the same way and who knows, maybe that part about being more from friendly will be nice. I wouldn't mind them as row 4 either though and just have the spacebar wrong.

OK!

For people who want to remap their caps lock key to either control or backspace (me! For Colemak! Even if you don't use Colemak you really should try using backspace instead of caps lock, it's fantastic and I got some of my Qwerty friends to try it using a simple registry edit in windows) I really think that the caps lock key should be the native row. It would be weird for me to have Caps Lock and "A" next to each other at different heights because I use the pinky for both of them and use both quite often.

LOL!

Row 3 is the row where Caps Lock is, so this is no issue.

Why is it that you want all these keys to be row 3 though? Why not keep to the standard row profiles where possible?

Because the BACK SPACE key will not be from row 1 to start with.

The bottom row is more pleasant to be from row 3.

1.25 units exist only in matte in rows other than 3, but we go for the semi-matte version.

Function keys: more flexibility and you usually don't touch-type them anyway!

[7bit]

[giHefca]

Try this:
ROUND3/SPACE/ORANGE 1
ROUND3/SPACE 1
ROUND3/KBDRUNNER 1
^^^The last one will not be in red, but white on very dark grey.

According to wiki, ROUND3/SPACE is a 118mm wide, 4 keymounts and I need a 3 keymounts

What about the others (PIRATEFUN, PIRATE125, AWESOMEFUN and BACKSPACEFUN) ?
They are present in wiki but can't be ordered

There's no more 1.25 SHIFT and J shape Return in FR kit ?

[7bit]

According to wiki, ROUND3/SPACE is a 118mm wide, 4 keymounts and I need a 3 keymounts

What about the others (PIRATEFUN, PIRATE125, AWESOMEFUN and BACKSPACEFUN) ?
They are present in wiki but can't be ordered

There's no more 1.25 SHIFT and J shape Return in FR kit ?

LOL!

I've got to update the Wiki.

I hope you are not shocked at the fact that SPACE will come with 6 keymounts!

The others:
Just look into the pricelist to know what is available.

[7bit]

Distribution is no problem?  Hmm.... I don't remember iMav thinking so.

Still waiting for Paypal to pay up my $134.50.

GLWIC

We are 4 or 5 people. Maybe more.

[kaiserreich]

how much does SP charge to sort them?

[hashbaz]

Trustworthiness isn't the only problem. Paypal will freeze the account of anyone who tries collecting for a group buy.

They haven't frozen mine, and I'm done collecting payments.  Their issue with RCollinTaylor was that he sent out invoices for goods he didn't have on-hand.

[litster]

They haven't frozen mine, and I'm done collecting payments.  Their issue with RCollinTaylor was that he sent out invoices for goods he didn't have on-hand.

That basically happens with every group buy.  We always collect money first before the group buy organizer ordering the goods with the money collected.  Or is it better to just have people send you money, instead of you sending invoices out?

[hashbaz]

That basically happens with every group buy.  We always collect money first before the group buy organizer ordering the goods with the money collected.  Or is it better to just have people send you money, instead of you sending invoices out?

Yes.  For my group buy people just sent the money.  My understanding of what happened is that the newness of RCT's account caused it to come up for review when it was flooded with activity.  The result of the review was that Paypal froze his account until everything he sent invoices for was shipped, which of course created a catch 22.  It boggles the mind that this issue couldn't have been worked out.

aggiejy told me that Paypal was concerned about his RGB buy as well, which didn't use invoices IIRC.  They never took any action against his account though.

[oneproduct]

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Ah okay, didn't realize that caps lock was row 3 already. Thanks for the picture, makes it much easier to discuss this. Why do SP and WASD keyboards label the rows in different ways anyways? Is there one that is more "official"?

If possible I think that the Shift keys should be in row 4. While row 3 is good for the bottom row because it is more thumb friendly, row 4 is good for Shift as it is more pinky friendly for when you curl down to it, and it is used very often while typing.

That would leave Backspace, \| (for ANSI) and Tab as the only odd ones out and you already said that Backspace is not possible in it's native row.

When you talk about the function keys being in row 3 giving more flexibility, what do you mean by that? I assume you mean something about trying to order more keys in the same shape to get a better price? If so I understand, and it's true that we don't use the function keys for touch typing. I was just thinking about how they would look because if they are row 3 the surface of the key would be inclined the wrong way (up instead of down) but this is just a cosmetic thing. I also like the idea of Tab and \| being their native rows just for cosmetic purposes, but these are not really used in touch typing that much either so I don't mind too much either. It's just the Shifts that I think would be good to keep in their native rows if possible.

[dorkvader]

For people who want to remap their caps lock key to either control or backspace (me! For Colemak! Even if you don't use Colemak you really should try using backspace instead of caps lock, it's fantastic and I got some of my Qwerty friends to try it using a simple registry edit in windows) I really think that the caps lock key should be the native row. It would be weird for me to have Caps Lock and "A" next to each other at different heights because I use the pinky for both of them and use both quite often.

Why is it that you want all these keys to be row 3 though? Why not keep to the standard row profiles where possible?

I hadn't even considered the backspace/capslock thing, the reason I wanted all the modifiers to be row3 was because then they'd look the same, and the keys would be different. I don't think the profiles are really that useful for other keys. I also rather like the symmetry of the "all row3" modifier/enter/etc keys juxtaposed with the "symmetry" of the differing key profiles of the A-Z keys.

So I guess what I'm recommending here is to only have the different heights on the A-Z area keys. I'm abivalent to the number row, and the function row, esc sholud be row3. I also think the ten-key should be "flat", but I think I'm getting a TKL kit, so it's not an issue for me.

[kps]

This is what SP has molds for in each row for the SPH style:

If possible I think that the Shift keys should be in row 4.

The small (“ISO”) left shift doesn't exist for row 4. I'd rather have both shift keys the same profile.

When you talk about the function keys being in row 3 giving more flexibility, what do you mean by that?

I don't know what 7bit means, but to me it means it would allow the function keys to be arranged differently (e.g. in a block to the left) without being irregular. I like this.

I was just thinking about how they would look because if they are row 3 the surface of the key would be inclined the wrong way (up instead of down)

Row 3 isn't inclined.

I also like the idea of Tab and \| being their native rows just for cosmetic purposes

Obviously \| should be in its native row 2, just like all the other grey key printable characters in the main block. I'm really baffled as to why two consecutive posters seem to consider it a function key.

The blue/grey colour scheme provides overwhelming visual contrast between the two groups. Profile consistency within each group is much more important than between them.

[7bit]

how much does SP charge to sort them?

What should that be good for?

They can put legends upside-down.

They can put the stem of a Caps Lock key a little further to the right.

They can forget to produce some keys.

They can mirror legends.


I doubt they are really good at sorting!

[Minskleip]

The con with having function keys row 3 is when you put them above row 1 and 2 you risk touching the key below it (on row 1 or 2), because it's reaches higher, which is annoying.

[7bit]

The con with having function keys row 3 is when you put them above row 1 and 2 you risk touching the key below it (on row 1 or 2), because it's reaches higher, which is annoying.

The best thing they can be is row 2, which will still be the same height as row 3, just the top end is raising up a bit. There are no row 1 2 unit keys and I want them to have the same profile.

BTW, it worked fine on the Space Cadet Keyboard.

[Minskleip]

Which row will the numeric kit be? 3? Mix?

[zulios]

I think that when 7bit talks about flexibility, he has the terminal boards in mind.



Look at the two function key rows to the left. If all these keys are row 3, then when ordering a FUNCTION kit you can swap their placement.
Originally, they were supposed to be different rows, thus not allowing them being moved.

[7bit]

Which row will the numeric kit be? 3? Mix?

The same row which it will have for the other styles.

[Minskleip]

The same row which it will have for the other styles.

Ok! What about FUNCTION?

[Ixana]

It is my understanding that SPACE (6.25 units Filco/Cherry/Leopold ) does not fit the Leopold FC500 and that 7bit was going to see if SP could make a spacebar that would fit that keyboard. Does anyone know if we got an answer on this or if we are still waiting on SP to make up their mind?

Thanks for the help!

[Alasdair]

Is

NOIR/VIM/WHITE/GREEN 2

not possible? It wasn't acknowledged on my order.

[s7e]

RETRO/RGBY/WHITE
NOIR/RGBY/WHITE

Are these the same? Colored keys with white text? There are no other smaller kits for Filco without the extra keys for these? Seems like a lot of them I won't use

Also, will the RETRO TENKLESS/TKL kit come with yellow arrow keys (text and picture versions?) Can i get these?

[F u r u y á]

Is  not possible? It wasn't acknowledged on my order.

Go to http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_Pricelist and Ctrl+F for

/VIM

to see the available options.

[Findecanor]

I see in the price list that there is a BLANKPBT style now, and that there are BLANKPBT/SPACE keys. Are these ABS or PBT?

Is the BLANKPBT/SPACE/DOLCHGREY the same key as ROUND3/SPACE ?

[tradet]

RETRO/RGBY/WHITE
NOIR/RGBY/WHITE

Are these the same? Colored keys with white text? There are no other smaller kits for Filco without the extra keys for these? Seems like a lot of them I won't use

The colors for RGBY kits will be different.

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Retro:
RED RCQ (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
GREEN VCM (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
BLUE BBJ (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
YELLOW YCE (color for RGBY modifiers)

Noir:
RED RA (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
GREEN VCJ (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
BLUE BDH (color for RGB/RGBY modifiers)
YELLOW YY (color for RGBY modifiers)

[s7e]

The colors for RGBY kits will be different.

I see it now, thanks Now the question is which one do I get?

[7bit]

Ok! What about FUNCTION?

All row 3, for the flexibility.

It is my understanding that SPACE (6.25 units Filco/Cherry/Leopold ) does not fit the Leopold FC500 and that 7bit was going to see if SP could make a spacebar that would fit that keyboard. Does anyone know if we got an answer on this or if we are still waiting on SP to make up their mind?

Thanks for the help!

Still waiting.

I'm quite sure they can.

On the other hand: Better not buy Leopold. They might change their space bar again and then SPACELEONEW does not fit either.

[7bit]

Is  not possible? It wasn't acknowledged on my order.

You can have:

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SPH/VIM.........................5<----too few
SPH/VIMCAPS.....................5<----too few
ROUND3/VIM......................8
ROUND3/VIMCAPS..................3<----too few
ROUND3/VIM/GREEN...............20
ROUND3/VIMSTEP/GREEN............6
RETRO/VIM.......................3<----too few
RETRO/VIMCAPS...................2<----too few
NOIR/VIM........................4<----too few
NOIR/VIMCAPS....................5<----too few
ORANJE/VIM......................3<----too few
ORANJE/VIMCAPS..................3<----too few
VIM............................41


[7bit]

RETRO/RGBY/WHITE
NOIR/RGBY/WHITE

Are these the same? Colored keys with white text? There are no other smaller kits for Filco without the extra keys for these? Seems like a lot of them I won't use

Also, will the RETRO TENKLESS/TKL kit come with yellow arrow keys (text and picture versions?) Can i get these?

No, they are not the same.

NOIR comes with different RGBY colors than RETRO. RETRO are lighter colors.

[7bit]

I see in the price list that there is a BLANKPBT style now, and that there are BLANKPBT/SPACE keys. Are these ABS or PBT?

Is the BLANKPBT/SPACE/DOLCHGREY the same key as ROUND3/SPACE ?

I will throw these out of the lits. There are only ABS space bars available.

[Alasdair]

Thanks 7bit. I'm looking for white on green and not spherical, so I think:

ROUND3/VIM/GREEN

[maladroid]

Can I rest assured that ROUND3/SPACE will fit the Leopold FC200 that is currently available?

[zulios]

Owners of steelseries 6gv2 / 7g, you should make sure your LRET return key will be compatible with the ones that will be ordered :

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1376&p=28529#p28447

Mine won't. My thanks to Lamaboi / 7bit for this info.

[7bit]

Owners of steelseries 6gv2 / 7g, you should make sure your LRET return key will be compatible with the ones that will be ordered :

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1376&p=28529#p28447

Mine won't. My thanks to Lamaboi / 7bit for this info.

I'm not sure for which keyboard the L-shape return SP produces really is. I thought there is only one version, but since Yesterday I know there are at least 2.

[7bit]

Can I rest assured that ROUND3/SPACE will fit the Leopold FC200 that is currently available?

Yes, but with SP you never know ...

[zulios]

I'm not sure for which keyboard the L-shape return SP produces really is. I thought there is only one version, but since Yesterday I know there are at least 2.

I'll take a photo but I don't believe SP can produce anything approaching from mine, definitely. And it seems that the key can be different even within two same models (talking about the 6gv2 here).
That's why I think people should take a look before ordering so they know if that should fit. Better prevent than heal.

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Here is the photo :
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[zoidbergslo]

I wish more people would order RETRO/FUNCTION12

[7bit]

I'll take a photo but I don't believe SP can produce anything approaching from mine, definitely. And it seems that the key can be different even within two same models (talking about the 6gv2 here).
That's why I think people should take a look before ordering so they know if that should fit. Better prevent than heal.

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Here is the photo :

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I'm not sure if they can do it. I will ask.

BTW: It is just a switch/stabiliser combination for a normal 2.25 units Return key, plus a dummy.

Just glue a 1.5 units blank on that odd stabiliser and you are done.

Or mod your keyboard and add a switch to that postion.

[F u r u y á]

I will throw these out of the lits. There are only ABS space bars available.

The Kit BLANKPBT/BLANKTKL will come with an ABS spacebar, right?

[7bit]

The Kit BLANKPBT/BLANKTKL will come with an ABS spacebar, right?

Wrong!

It comes not with a space bar.

Space bars must be ordered separately!

[F u r u y á]

Wrong!

It comes not with a space bar.

Space bars must be ordered separately!

omg!

Can you make special request to SP and ask them to produce an ABS spacebar that matches the PBT colors of my order?

I assume that they know better than us (who depends on pictures to judge the colors) to pick the corresponding ABS color.