[GB] Double shot replacements ROUND FOUR! - SHIPPING!

[sinis]

If you live in EU just divide by 1.3 and prices look much cheaper.

it is still 90$ = 70€ for a */TKL with EU Layout

[gimpster]

Recommended kits are:
SPH/STANDARD
SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE
RETRO/STANDARD
RETRO/STDRGBY
RETRO/TKL
RETRO/TKLRGBY
RETRO/SPACE

Rawk on! I like the simplified ordering idea.

[7bit]

it is still 90$ = 70€ for a */TKL with EU Layout

I will add the option that you can order something like STANDARDDE or STANDARDFR, so it will cost only a bit more than US-layout.
It is minus 2 2.25 units keys and plus a 1.25 units, 1 unit and a J-Ret.

Just have to find a way to avoid an extra-long list (number of standard kits times number of language options).

Also, I can do Filco and Cherry versions, so you don't need to buy a Caps Lock you never need. maybe I should change my order system.
Something like

TENKLESS[FILCO,DE]
or
STANDARD[CHERRY150,FR,RGBY,CONTROL]
^^^
- Cherry G80-1000/3000 without windows keys,
- French layout
- RGBY modifiers
- Control key instead of Caps Lock.

This throws me back to the question why there are more than one kind keyboard (Tipro for the world!!!!).

[sinis]

I will add the option that you can order something like STANDARDDE or STANDARDFR, so it will cost only a bit more than US-layout.
It is minus 2 2.25 units keys and plus a 1.25 units, 1 unit and a J-Ret.

genius.

[7bit]

genius.

Just order thngs like

STANDARDxx
TKLxx
TENKLESSxx
TERMINALxx
STANDARD125xx
STANDARD150xx

where xx is your 2-digit language code.

I will generate the price list before I run my script so which will take a while ...

[sinis]

Hopefully those sets will now be appreciated by the EU customers and be successfully.

[Oxblood]

Does this mean that other kits won't raise the cost? Can I get my BLOOD/GAMER/RED back?

[Rankrotten]

Great. My order now would simply be NOIR/STANDARD/FILCO/UK/MAC  :clap2:

[Thion]

Unfortunately, SPH ist just not for me.

However, i'd take NOIR over ORANJE over ROUND3 over RETRO/GREY over RETRO.

Still hoping for 2-3 Standard Sets to make it through and RGB modifiers/ symbols for everyone.

[Fred]

It's a bit pricier now... but this group buy is still the only one with ISO keys, even for specific languages! Praise to round four!

[7bit]

Does this mean that other kits won't raise the cost? Can I get my BLOOD/GAMER/RED back?

The point is that higher quantities do not lower the costs much more when some amount is reached.

1 unit: from 1000 key caps on there is only a 10% lower price if we order 2500 and only 4% if we reach around 6000. Fot 10,000 the price stys the same.

1.25 to 1.75 units: from 800 to 1500 there is only a 6% lower price and then it goes only down by 2% round 2000 key caps. Above this there is no significant decrease of price.

And so on.

We only save whith higher amounts of 1.25 units and higher (especialy 2.25,2.75 and L/J-return)

Disappointing, but that's like it is.

So it would not be helpful to reduce the number of styles to get a lower price.

[kps]

OK, so that suggests that the way to help buyers is to have fewer extra keys in the core kits — split off things like the stepped keys, alpha cursors, extra F J, etc. into separate sets.

—OR—

Decompose the sets into core parts, for example:
 SPH/STANDARD125 → SPH/ALNUM/GREY + SPH/ANSI/BLUE + SPH/MOD125/BLUE + SPH/CURSORBLK/BLUE + SPH/NUMPAD + SPH/F1TO4/BLUE + SPH/F5TO8/GREY + SPH/F9TO12/BLUE + SPH/ESC/RED or whatever.
and then for example TENKLESS would be the same except you choose to leave out NUMPAD, etc.

[hashbaz]

I find this SP price hike thing funny.  How many spherical sets are we at currently?  What would be the price per set be if we doubled or tripled the order?

[mkawa]

hmm.. interesting. thanks for the updates 7bit. approx how many orders do we need of a given style to get the maximum volume discount (ie, 70 for a tkl kit)?

[mkawa]

you know what we really need for this is a WASD-like flash configurator. any flash gurus in the house?

i remember people had solidworks/sketchup models for the proposed keysets in round 3. can any of those people do mockups for the styles in this round?

[hazeluff]

you know what we really need for this is a WASD-like flash configurator. any flash gurus in the house?

i remember people had solidworks/sketchup models for the proposed keysets in round 3. can any of those people do mockups for the styles in this round?

Sounds cool. Wish I knew flash.

[DaemonRaccoon]

Flash is a dead end; HTML5 canvas is the way of the future, plus it'll work on people's iPads.

[mkawa]

well you can use whatever you want if you implement it. personally, it's sounding like i'm going to put the money into a kbc poker instead. 90$ is a lot for keys that i can't see half the time.

[hazeluff]

Flash is a dead end; HTML5 canvas is the way of the future, plus it'll work on people's iPads.

The only area I have no experiance in is Webdev. = (

[7bit]

I find this SP price hike thing funny.  How many spherical sets are we at currently?  What would be the price per set be if we doubled or tripled the order?

10% less. Not more.

Now available:

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SPH/TERMINALxx     |158|117|Terminal xx kit (120-126 keys)
TERMINALxx         |156|120|Terminal xx kit (120-126 keys)
SPH/STANDARDxx     |138|114|Standard xx kit (101-104 keys)
STANDARDxx         |137|115|Standard xx kit (101-104 keys)
STDSYMxx           |137|130|Standard Symbols xx kit (101-104 keys)
STDRGBYxx          |137|149|Standard RGBY xx kit (101-104 keys)
BLOOD/STDRGBYxx    |137|139|Standard RGBY xx kit (101-104 keys)
SPH/STANDARD125xx  |115| 90|Standard xx kit (104 keys)
STANDARD125xx      |116| 90|Standard xx kit (104 keys)
STANDARD150xx      |113| 90|Standard xx kit (101 keys)
SPH/TENKLESSxx     |108| 88|Tenkless xx kit ( 84- 87 keys)
TENKLESSxx         |109| 90|Tenkless xx kit ( 84- 87 keys)
SPH/TKLxx          | 93| 69|TKL xx kit (87 keys)
TKLxx              | 93| 70|TKL xx kit (87 keys)
TKLSYMxx           | 93| 79|TKL Symbols xx kit (87 keys)
BLOOD/TKLRGBYxx    | 93| 79|TKL RGBY xx kit (87 keys)
TKLRGBYxx          | 93| 85|TKL RGBY xx kit (87 keys)
TKLALNUMxx         | 57| 38|TKL Alnum xx kit (101-104 keys)
TKLMODxx           | 36| 42|TKL Modifier xx kit (101-104 keys)
SPH/ALPHAR3xx      | 39| 21|A-Z and Punctuation keys xx (all row 3)
SPH/ALPHAxx        | 54| 34|A-Z and Punctuation keys xx
ALPHAxx            | 54| 34|A-Z and Punctuation keys xx
STDALNUMxx         | 72| 48|Standard Alnum xx kit (101-104 keys)

Just replace xx by your 2-digit country-code, or leave it away to get US-ANSI.

[7bit]

you know what we really need for this is a WASD-like flash configurator. any flash gurus in the house?

i remember people had solidworks/sketchup models for the proposed keysets in round 3. can any of those people do mockups for the styles in this round?

No Flash! No Flash!

Also, no tripods are alowed!!!

[Slavfot]

It is minus 2 2.25 units keys and plus a 1.25 units, 1 unit and a J-Ret.

I use ANSI keyboard layout, but i want swedish keys.
If i order TKLSE, does that kit include 1.25 [\ |] (or a 1.25 swedish version of that key[' *]?)
Also the 2.25 enter and shift, do i have to order them separately?

[sinis]

I use ANSI keyboard layout, but i want swedish keys.
If i order TKLSE, does that kit include 1.25 [\ |] (or a 1.25 swedish version of that key[' *]?)
Also the 2.25 enter and shift, do i have to order them separately?

swedish layout:
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2.25 enter: ARROWRET
2.25 shift: ARROWUP225

[Wraul]

I use ANSI keyboard layout, but i want swedish keys.
If i order TKLSE, does that kit include 1.25 [\ |] (or a 1.25 swedish version of that key[' *]?)
Also the 2.25 enter and shift, do i have to order them separately?

When you use Swedish layout on an ANSI keyboard, where have you mapped [<>|] to?
I was thinking maybe on the third layer of [,], [.] and ['] respectively. This to stay close to US ANSI.

[7bit]

When you use Swedish layout on an ANSI keyboard, where have you mapped [<>|] to?
I was thinking maybe on the third layer of [,], [.] and ['] respectively. This to stay close to US ANSI.

Holy ****!

TKLANSISE? No way!

I think my current order-ID system comes to an end.

Time to think about something new.

For now, you've got 2 options:
TKL + SE
or
TKLSE

I will make these 2.25 Shift/Return and 2.75 units Shift keys available separately.

A 1.5 units key is alreasdy part of the SE kit, so no problem here.

[byFd]

ehm, old orders are not messed up with the new stuff?

ROUND3/TENKLESS
ROUND3/SPACE

is enough for my US ANSI Filco Tenkeyless?

[dmk]

I would like to order double shot replacements for my Leopold Tenkeyless. I was thinking about buying these 2 sets with some additional modifiers and this is what I came up with after visiting wiki:

1) SPH in TKL

SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE

2) Oranje TKL with a matching orange on dark gray modifiers + additional RGBY modifiers

ORANJE/TKL
ORANJE/OAS/GX
ORANJE/RGBY
ORANJE/SPACE/BLACK

Could someone please take a look and let me know if this is correct and that it will match my keyboard? Would these sets be a available? Should this be submitted as one or two orders?

[Slavfot]

When you use Swedish layout on an ANSI keyboard, where have you mapped [<>|] to?
I was thinking maybe on the third layer of [,], [.] and ['] respectively. This to stay close to US ANSI.

Usually when i have windows standard QWERTY i switch too US layout with ALT+SHIFT.
I have made a Swedish Colemak version for ansi that i use right now, i have mapped <>| to [ALT GR]+[. <] [, >] and [- |].

[Zehkul]

It means also that it does not make sense to throw out any kits except if nobody wants them anymore.

Ok, key reduction then? So my first idea: Remove keys from the symbol kit.
-arrows? Are they needed? Do they really look that much better?
-Caps? There are some who want SHOUT, some who want an arrow, and some who want the lock thingy.

I will add the option that you can order something like STANDARDDE or STANDARDFR, so it will cost only a bit more than US-layout.

Like! Just what about ordering e.g. DE and NEO? Frustrating to order an US layout just for one row 4 z for compatibility between both. (y<->z swap -.-') Well you can't have everything, I guess.

[7bit]

ehm, old orders are not messed up with the new stuff?

ROUND3/TENKLESS
ROUND3/SPACE

is enough for my US ANSI Filco Tenkeyless?

Not at all!

Yes it is enough, but you can order more if you like!

I would like to order double shot replacements for my Leopold Tenkeyless. I was thinking about buying these 2 sets with some additional modifiers and this is what I came up with after visiting wiki:

1) SPH in TKL

SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE

2) Oranje TKL with a matching orange on dark gray modifiers + additional RGBY modifiers

ORANJE/TKL
ORANJE/OAS/GX
ORANJE/RGBY
ORANJE/SPACE/BLACK

Could someone please take a look and let me know if this is correct and that it will match my keyboard? Would these sets be a available? Should this be submitted as one or two orders?

One order!

Just send this to 7bit_R4:


SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE
ORANJE/TKL
ORANJE/RGBY
ORANJE/SPACE/BLACK
your email address

If you want to add more or remove anything, just add or remove the stuff you like.

No need to submit the whole order again!

[7bit]

Ok, key reduction then? So my first idea: Remove keys from the symbol kit.
-arrows? Are they needed? Do they really look that much better?
-Caps? There are some who want SHOUT, some who want an arrow, and some who want the lock thingy.

Like! Just what about ordering e.g. DE and NEO? Frustrating to order an US layout just for one row 4 z for compatibility between both. (y<->z swap -.-') Well you can't have everything, I guess.

Caps / Control / stepped / unstepped are surely a good start to lower costs.

I've just to think out an easy way to do it without putting extra stress to the "I DONT WANT TO THINK"-fraction.

May by I should apply set-theory and introduce AND, OR, XOR etc. operators.

Something like
(STANDARD|DE|NEO)\(JRET|SHIFT125)

[byFd]

Caps / Control / stepped / unstepped are surely a good start to lower costs.

I've just to think out an easy way to do it without putting extra stress to the "I DONT WANT TO THINK"-fraction.

open a call center for Group Buy 4

[7bit]

open a call center for Group Buy 4

You are ingenious!!!!

$$$$$$$>>me;

[size=12]Call
0900 ROUND4 *[/size]

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only $9.99 per minute!

[Zehkul]

"I DONT WANT TO THINK"
...
(STANDARD|DE|NEO)\(JRET|SHIFT125)

Lol!

The best idea would be suggesting commonly used lines, I guess. Even easier now that you don't have to make them think about layout kits which confuse quite many. And patiently answering questions.

About the neo problem: I can't order a single row 4 z, can I? :-P

[mkawa]

Caps / Control / stepped / unstepped are surely a good start to lower costs.

I've just to think out an easy way to do it without putting extra stress to the "I DONT WANT TO THINK"-fraction.

May by I should apply set-theory and introduce AND, OR, XOR etc. operators.

Something like
(STANDARD|DE|NEO)\(JRET|SHIFT125)

this is OK, but the ordering should really work as the following:

name each individual key by style/size/fgcolor/bgcolor/text_or_symbol

ie,

RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/SHIFT
RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/UPARROW
...

then each of the current kit names becomes a macro for the entire set of keys that the kit contains. ie, KIT/RETRO/TKL expands to:

RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/Q
RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/W
RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/E
RETRO/1/WHITE/BLACK/R
...

instead of coming up with a new kit name for everyone's crazy layout desires, people can order by key, so they will get exactly the keys they want and no more, or they can use your kit naming scheme to make things a bit simpler. this will also make set operators exceptionally easy to implement.

also quite simple to make a small graphical tool based on this scheme...

[byFd]

uhh, you'll need to add what row the key should be.
and not sure if all keysizes are available for all rows?

[demik]

I think I'm just dropping the single keys (Novelty keys) and keeping the full sets, it won't drop the price too much but any dollar saved will help soften the blow.

I just really want the retro and sph sets

[Lamaboi]

For 70 bucks a TKL set SP could at least make some proper sized molds for spherical style shift and enter keys :|
But I guess by their logic that would make the price go up by another 40%...

[Lewserr]

So many more developments :O

I thought I had this sorted out but I'm confused again. I want RETRO style, with UK layout, 2 TUX modifier keys to replace the windows ones, RGBY replacements and symbol replacements. Below is the order I still have.

Normal Keys
---------------
RETRO/TKL
RETRO/UK
RETRO/SPACE
RETRO/TUXMOD125

RGB Keys (Wish there was RETRO/CARROWS/YELLOW available separately)
---------------
RETRO/RGBY125WIN
RETRO/RGBYSH275

Symbol Replacements
---------------
RETRO/ARROWJRET
RETRO/ARROWUP125
RETRO/ARROWUP275
RETRO/BACKSPACE200
RETRO/HANDBAGCAP
RETRO/TABARROW150
RETRO/SYMBOLSEX

Additional Extras
---------------------
CHERRYREDESC
LOD
RETRO/AWESOMEFUN
RETRO/PIRATEFUN

Now what is this RETRO/TKLRGBY and TKLUK? Should I just stick with what I have as I think it will get me what I want minus the yellow cursor keys?

[7bit]

uhh, you'll need to add what row the key should be.
and not sure if all keysizes are available for all rows?

Something like this:
DCS/R4U150/WA/GX/CC/CONTROL
DCS/R4U125/RCQ/GQM/CL/Control
SA/R3U100/NN/BFP/CC/CTRL
DCS/R3U175F/RA/NN/CL/Control

[Wraul]

Holy ****!

TKLANSISE? No way!

I think my current order-ID system comes to an end.

Time to think about something new.

For now, you've got 2 options:
TKL + SE
or
TKLSE

I will make these 2.25 Shift/Return and 2.75 units Shift keys available separately.

A 1.5 units key is alreasdy part of the SE kit, so no problem here.

Yeah you know I just got to push the limits to see when it breaks.

Mostly just brainstorming about the additional <, > and | keys. It's nothing that I really need.

That 1.5 unit ['*] key though, that you so kindly added to the SE kit. That one is essential.
I think the real question is if that key is included in TKLSE or only in SE?
If it's included in TKLSE, getting that and the 2.25 Shift/Return would be a really cost efficient way to get a Swedish layout compatible with both ISO and ANSI.

[7bit]

For 70 bucks a TKL set SP could at least make some proper sized molds for spherical style shift and enter keys :|
But I guess by their logic that would make the price go up by another 40%...

2 different space bars are enough for this group buy.

Also, not everybody needs such weird keys like 2.25 or 2.75 units Shift and Return keys.

[7bit]

Yeah you know I just got to push the limits to see when it breaks.

Mostly just brainstorming about the additional <, > and | keys. It's nothing that I really need.

That 1.5 unit ['*] key though, that you so kindly added to the SE kit. That one is essential.
I think the real question is if that key is included in TKLSE or only in SE?
If it's included in TKLSE, getting that and the 2.25 Shift/Return would be a really cost efficient way to get a Swedish layout compatible with both ISO and ANSI.

So you want TKLSE (ISO layout) plus ANSI-layout keys?

I add:
MRET (m-shape Return, this is the 2.25 units Return key.)
SHIFT225
QUOTEAST150 ('*)
^^^ No not "quot east", but "quote ast"


OK, kits are added, you can order them.

I've got to decide how to handle the no-nubbed keys option.

One way would be to add them to any order and announce that they are not included in the Standard kits anymore.

I think this would be the simlest way. I really don't want to set up any other order-system in the middle of this group buy.

[7bit]

So many more developments :O

I thought I had this sorted out but I'm confused again. I want RETRO style, with UK layout, 2 TUX modifier keys to replace the windows ones, RGBY replacements and symbol replacements. Below is the order I still have.

Normal Keys
---------------
RETRO/TKL
RETRO/UK
RETRO/SPACE
RETRO/TUXMOD125

RGB Keys (Wish there was RETRO/CARROWS/YELLOW available separately)
---------------
RETRO/RGBY125WIN
RETRO/RGBYSH275

Symbol Replacements
---------------
RETRO/ARROWJRET
RETRO/ARROWUP125
RETRO/ARROWUP275
RETRO/BACKSPACE200
RETRO/HANDBAGCAP
RETRO/TABARROW150
RETRO/SYMBOLSEX

Additional Extras
---------------------
CHERRYREDESC
LOD
RETRO/AWESOMEFUN
RETRO/PIRATEFUN

Now what is this RETRO/TKLRGBY and TKLUK? Should I just stick with what I have as I think it will get me what I want minus the yellow cursor keys?

RETRO/TKLRGBY is RETRO style TKL with RGBY modifiers, so you don't need to buy them extra and put the other modifiers into a drawer for ever.
TKLUK is the same except that this time you have UK layout instead of colorful modifiers.

If you want both, just order:
RETRO/TKLRGBYUK

It is the TenKeyLessRedGreenBlueYellowUnitedKingdom kit.



RETRO/TKLRGBYUK
RETRO/SPACE
RETRO/TUXMOD125

Symbol Replacements
---------------
RETRO/ARROWJRET
RETRO/ARROWUP125
RETRO/ARROWUP275
RETRO/BACKSPACE200
RETRO/HANDBAGCAP
RETRO/TABARROW150
RETRO/SYMBOLSEX

Additional Extras
---------------------
CHERRYREDESC
LOD
RETRO/AWESOMEFUN
RETRO/PIRATEFUN

[zulios]

Following the recent annoucements, does that mean that set like STYLE/ALPHA/COLORFR or STYLE/ALNUM/COLORFR could become available ?
That would be quite helpful to me.

[Wraul]

So you want TKLSE (ISO layout) plus ANSI-layout keys?

That's exactly what I want. Sorry for not being more clear.
This way I can use my keys with alot of the interesting keyboards. There aren't that many with ISO layout, mostly ANSI.

I add:
MRET (m-shape Return, this is the 2.25 units Return key.)
SHIFT225
QUOTEAST150 ('*)
^^^ No not "quot east", but "quote ast"


OK, kits are added, you can order them.

Sweet I will update my orders later.
Thank you.

[7bit]

Following the recent annoucements, does that mean that set like STYLE/ALPHA/COLORFR or STYLE/ALNUM/COLORFR could become available ?
That would be quite helpful to me.

yes, but you would have to order:

style/ALPHAFR/color
style/ALNUMFR/color

Example:
SPH/ALNUMFR
SPH/ALNUMFR/BLUE
RETRO/ALPHAFR

[pitashen]

What was the price like for Round1 and Round2?

[zulios]

yes, but you would have to order:

style/ALPHAFR/color
style/ALNUMFR/color

Example:
SPH/ALNUMFR
SPH/ALNUMFR/BLUE
RETRO/ALPHAFR

Great news ! Please let us know when they will become available, I'm definitely interested.

[Mysteric]

How do I clear my order? Want white keycaps so I'm going to order from WASD instead.