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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #50 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:25:05 »
Don't get an HHKB. Mine has wobbly keys. It will most likely annoy you a lot since you just spent 300 on a keyboard.

I'm actually not annoyed at all with my wobbly keys, still feels the same.
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« Reply #51 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:28:13 »
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But the fact that Pokers are available in Reds gives me some sort of thought. I'm thinking that maybe that those might be what I'm looking for.

So what do people think of Reds versus the Topres?


Reds are nice, but for some reason I find the reds on the poker do not feel as good as the ones on my filco. Probably a build quality thing I guess. I don't really know. Topre is better, but you really need to try both to see which you like more.

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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 09:50:40 »
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I like "springy".  After all, that is what makes a Mechanical switch mechanical.

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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 16:50:52 »
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I wish I was able to try a topre button somewhere


Try one here in SirClicksAlot's mailing list.

Seriously.

Try it before you spend $300 on a board full of them. I was severely disappointed with the thing when it made it's way to my door. Maybe one day I'll muster the interest to post the picture of it you're supposed to...
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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 16:53:48 »
I actually like the Poker with red switches better than my Filco with reds.  Although the Filco definitely is built for the long haul compared to the Poker, I really like the sound of the reds bottoming out on the PCB board.  Normally I hate the bottoming out sound and use the soft landing pads on both of my Filcos.  There is just something about the Poker that I really do like.  

I also use the RealForce as my main keyboard at work.  I have the Silent 87U with the embedded number pad but I rarely use it and tend to use a separate RealForce number pad when I'm crunching numbers. The RealForce is definitely a workhorse.

As I mentioned before, I would love to try out a silent HHKB but only if it had arrow keys.  Maybe the version III will have the arrows.......
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« Reply #55 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 17:03:20 »
The Japanese layout Type-S has arrow keys, but the overall layout blows.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 17:17:32 »
The discussion is good and all.  As you can see, everyone has their own favorites.  The best way to decide what is best for you is to try a board for at least a full day.  As long as you are willing to lose a few bucks and shipping, you can always resell your keyboard her on GH.

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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 18:43:14 »
A single switch does not a fair assessment make. Pushing on a single Topre switch doesn't feel like anything. Typing on a keyboard full of them though feels distinctly different than anything else.

Similarly with a Model M, any Cherry switch, etc. You really have to type on it, and only it, for at least a week, full time, before you make any assessments at all. Anyone who tells you otherwise is pushing an agenda.
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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 18:45:01 »
Hum, I told him to try a day.  What agenda might I be pushing ;-)

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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 21:32:07 »
litster, I wasn't responding to you specifically, and I was exaggerating for emphasis. But to be honest, a day is the bare minimum, in my mind.

But a single switch, a few times? That's basically useless.
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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 22:04:15 »
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litster, I wasn't responding to you specifically, and I was exaggerating for emphasis. But to be honest, a day is the bare minimum, in my mind.

But a single switch, a few times? That's basically useless.

Hehe, I was kidding.  Agree that clicking a single switch a few times is not enough to have an opinion.  But it is pretty cool to have a single Cherry switch hanging off of your keychain, especially if it is a blue switch :-)


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« Reply #61 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 23:09:23 »
I do like that!
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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 23:13:12 »
off topic: Is that keychain yours? How did you get that keychain? Did you make it?

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 23 September 2011, 23:23:21 »
Yes, I made it myself.  I have a lot of spare Cherry switches.  I just bend the legs in so they don't stick out, pair it with a spare top-row keycap, and tie a cellphone charm string thinge that I bought from a local craft store (a pack of 4 I think).  I made a few of them and gave them to my family and a friend.  I can keep playing with it and making noise when I am away from my keyboards.

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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 03:52:36 »
hhkb no oldschool, need arrows

Quote from: Lolcakes;419735
Hey guys!

So here is the deal.... I really want a topre board. A TKL realforce or a HHKB pro2.
2 Months ago I bought a Filco TKL with blue switches and I am loving it. I do quite a bit of programming, some gaming, every day use etc - I love the feel and the sound I also enjoy.

Topre for me is now like the next thing... i want to have it because it seems so cool on videos. Plus, both HHLB and the realforce boards look so SEXY!

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(picture not mine, adding it only to spice up the post)

I suppose I could sell my Filco... but I know I will miss it...I play SC2... I wont be able to do that on a HHKB for example. I really wouldnt like to sell it, its my board, my baby, and it is still very cute.

The reasons why I find the topre boards so attractive to me is because they sound quite sweet, and the looks are nice - I like the white/gray on the realforce more but HHKB's layout is osmething that I might potentially really like - even now I have my Caps lock as a CTRL key on my filco, and I like the compactness.

One big plus for the Realforce though is the F and arrow keys - I use those a lot. Now that I am thinking about it I use the Home and End keys a lot too.

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(this pic is mine, thats the... u guessed it...arrow keys)

Anyways, the purpose of this thread is, if possible, for me to convince myself to to save the money - I need them for other things.
So why should I not buy those amazing, sweet sounding boards and save the money to use for other, boring trivial things?

I have come up with a few reasons so far:

1. Im based in England and the keyboardco dont have HHKBs - having to buy one from the US might be a hassle... shipping will take longer, any problems would be more difficult to resolve etc.

2. Regarding the Realforce - the keyboardco do have them, however, I want it in white/gray (cause its more sexy ofc). The only one in white they have is this one http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794 The US layout doesnt bother me, but its the older model and... I wish it was with all 45g keys

3. Speaking of actuation force - I think I would prefer all 45g, but the white ones from EK are out of stock, which means i should look into HHKB, or try to think if I would like a variable force keyboard.

4. The price...

5. If I manage to convince myself taht there will be a new model coming out, HHKB or a Realforce, not not but in a couple of months, I could be telling myself that I am "waiting" for that future model and that why I am not buying any of the current boards.

A huge part of me is screaming that I should buy both... but that would be really bad for my wallet.
So what do you guys think?

Thanks for reading and thanks for sharing your view/participating in the thread (:
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« Reply #65 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 04:26:18 »
Why not to buy? You are deserved the best, aren't you?
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« Reply #66 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 07:30:24 »
Thank you ripster <3

You have now convinced me after my first board (Leopold til brown black otaku) to not get the hhkb2 that I have been lusting for without trying topre yet.

Time to shop for some keycaps!

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« Reply #67 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 07:38:24 »
Here's one: Topre Realforce keyboards have really tacky labels around the LEDs. I think it's Japanese aesthetics or something.

I figured I'd just remove the label with a penknife and have pure LEDs on grey, but while the label comes off and (thankfully) reattaches cleanly, the LEDs sit low inside the case and there are simply three holes for them, and the translucent label diffuses the light. The label also leaves bits of the writing behind. The label is not removable unless you want to plug the gaping holes in the case :-P

So there, buy Cherry/FILCO/etc for better LED labelling :-) (Or Unicomp, as for a cheap surcharge they'll clean up the LED legend for you and remove their grotesque logo – the end result is very elegant.)
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« Reply #68 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 09:29:23 »
I have a question about Topre switches: How do they feel when bottoming out? I can't stand the feel of a rubber dome board bottoming out. It actually makes my finger tips hurt thinking about it.

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« Reply #69 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 10:02:45 »
@daerid — If you can imagine the smoothest, cleanest rubberdome possible, that's Topre. It's basically rubberdome without all the graunch and grind and rattle. It's also a lot lighter. You'll never shake off the rubbery feel. I  prefer Cherry MX brown in feel, but MX brown's clack is a bit sharp and jarring.

Compared to Cherry: you don't get the rock hard landing when bottoming out – I'm not sure how you'd compromise there, but the trick with Cherry is to learn to type softly.

Compared to ALPS: ALPS and rubberdome have similar force curves with the strong, early peak, but ALPS switches have a very sharp tactile point that almost stabs your finger, and Topre's tactile point is very soft, like a light buckling spring – basically the opposite.
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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 12:33:09 »
Quote from: Daniel Beardsmore;504184
@daerid — If you can imagine the smoothest, cleanest rubberdome possible, that's Topre. It's basically rubberdome without all the graunch and grind and rattle. It's also a lot lighter. You'll never shake off the rubbery feel. I  prefer Cherry MX brown in feel, but MX brown's clack is a bit sharp and jarring.

Compared to Cherry: you don't get the rock hard landing when bottoming out – I'm not sure how you'd compromise there, but the trick with Cherry is to learn to type softly.

Compared to ALPS: ALPS and rubberdome have similar force curves with the strong, early peak, but ALPS switches have a very sharp tactile point that almost stabs your finger, and Topre's tactile point is very soft, like a light buckling spring – basically the opposite.

Thanks... I was on the fence about it, but you've helped me make the decision. No Topre for me, I hate, HATE, the rubbery landing. I don't type all that hard on my browns (which is why I got rid of the blacks), but I do appreciate the crispness of cherry keys when I do bottom out lightly.

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« Reply #71 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 13:18:27 »
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They are on sale at Geekstuff4U btw. $558 down from $579.

http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-professional-type-s.html

Cheaper here.

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« Reply #72 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 14:16:53 »
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I can help.

Your typical HHKB user looks like this.
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Not to mention that you'll start eating the lint from between your toes
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« Reply #73 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 15:31:12 »
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... I do appreciate the crispness of cherry keys when I do bottom out lightly.

So do I.

Wow, just grabbed my blue ALPS keyboard – sore wrists in seconds. The Topre is a little rough on my fingers, but still very easy going compared to the softest of ALPS keyboards (vintage blue complicated). Incidentally ALPS seem to have got the landing right – no rubber landing, but not the hard stop of Cherry. Too bad that I can't use ALPS long without getting sore wrists :-P This has the best sound of any keyboard that I've ever used, and the best feel.
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« Reply #74 on: Tue, 31 January 2012, 22:10:01 »
The only Alps boards I've used are the AT101W's (Alps Black). Haven't tried any of the others, but would love to. What model is yours? The blue one...

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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 03:04:43 »
Tulip ATK 030244, 102-key PC/AT with silly layout. I've got an AT102W that I purchased "NIB" (new in (plastic) bag, with free dust and paint spatter) – the keys are graunchy and rough in comparison. Short switchplate black ALPS switches really suck, although they don't sound too bad. Topre on the other hand is so smooth, I can pretty much forgive it being rubbery.
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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 10:46:59 »
hhkb too small,

make bad optical impression on desk

Quote from: Lolcakes;419735
Hey guys!

So here is the deal.... I really want a topre board. A TKL realforce or a HHKB pro2.
2 Months ago I bought a Filco TKL with blue switches and I am loving it. I do quite a bit of programming, some gaming, every day use etc - I love the feel and the sound I also enjoy.

Topre for me is now like the next thing... i want to have it because it seems so cool on videos. Plus, both HHLB and the realforce boards look so SEXY!

(Attachment Link) 27019[/ATTACH]
(picture not mine, adding it only to spice up the post)

I suppose I could sell my Filco... but I know I will miss it...I play SC2... I wont be able to do that on a HHKB for example. I really wouldnt like to sell it, its my board, my baby, and it is still very cute.

The reasons why I find the topre boards so attractive to me is because they sound quite sweet, and the looks are nice - I like the white/gray on the realforce more but HHKB's layout is osmething that I might potentially really like - even now I have my Caps lock as a CTRL key on my filco, and I like the compactness.

One big plus for the Realforce though is the F and arrow keys - I use those a lot. Now that I am thinking about it I use the Home and End keys a lot too.

(Attachment Link) 27018[/ATTACH]
(this pic is mine, thats the... u guessed it...arrow keys)

Anyways, the purpose of this thread is, if possible, for me to convince myself to to save the money - I need them for other things.
So why should I not buy those amazing, sweet sounding boards and save the money to use for other, boring trivial things?

I have come up with a few reasons so far:

1. Im based in England and the keyboardco dont have HHKBs - having to buy one from the US might be a hassle... shipping will take longer, any problems would be more difficult to resolve etc.

2. Regarding the Realforce - the keyboardco do have them, however, I want it in white/gray (cause its more sexy ofc). The only one in white they have is this one http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794 The US layout doesnt bother me, but its the older model and... I wish it was with all 45g keys

3. Speaking of actuation force - I think I would prefer all 45g, but the white ones from EK are out of stock, which means i should look into HHKB, or try to think if I would like a variable force keyboard.

4. The price...

5. If I manage to convince myself taht there will be a new model coming out, HHKB or a Realforce, not not but in a couple of months, I could be telling myself that I am "waiting" for that future model and that why I am not buying any of the current boards.

A huge part of me is screaming that I should buy both... but that would be really bad for my wallet.
So what do you guys think?

Thanks for reading and thanks for sharing your view/participating in the thread (:
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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 10:56:12 »
I'm using a G80-3000 at work and a Filco TKL (also with MX blues) at home. I'm also lusting after a Topre board but I'm going to be good and save up for it and not put it on credit or just blow the cash on it. I'm going to save a small amount every month and it should be enough to cover the HHK3 when it comes out (I'm not expecting it too soon...) or a Realforce TKL. Topre boards cost serious money to most people - pretty much the food bill for my family for just over two weeks and that is the perspective that counts. On the other hand, if I give up one beer every week towards my goal I am not being totally irresponsible. Sure, the money is the same when I pay for it but it feels better that I do it this way than cancel Christmas or the family holiday, or even worse, not buy my wife a bunch of flowers or dinner once in a while. She is worth more than any keyboard. Besides, I absolutely love my Filco. Like some of the other posts have mentioned, I may be disappointed but I could either re-sell or if I just put it in box and neglect it, it only cost me a beer a week. No big deal.

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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 13 March 2012, 10:17:27 »
If you're not too in love with the idea of getting a HHKB I'd encourage you to consider an 87U. Much cheaper and an easier to use layout. Other than that I feel your pain, ever since I sold my 103U I've been missing that Topre feel. I'd been opening up the elitekeyboards Realforce page at least once a day and staring at the 87UW.

After he got them back in stock I made myself wait for a while not knowing how to justify having so many keyboards but I'm so glad I did. It's become my primary home/gaming board and I brought my cherry blues back to work as my daily driver (much to the chagrin of my coworkers I'm sure).
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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 18:28:21 »
I find that the surface of the keys greases up very readily, and with the dark grey the keyboard looks pretty disgusting at times, all oily. Next time you look, the grease has all gone, then it reappears again … Never had anywhere near that problem with black FILCO keys.

The print is nice though – don't know what they've done, looks like they've painted on the letters. I'm waiting for Diatec to realise that "Caps Lock" is two words. I detest cheap pad printing (like in your photo above). I've got an old beige Packard Bell rubberdome which looks dye sub unless you look closely, so maybe it's just modern black keyboards that suffer from the visible dark/shiny reflective halo of pad printing?

Funny how after a weekend with the Acer, the Realforce (at work) was almost too light to use on Monday morning, but now I'm settled with it, my Cherry MX blue at home doesn't even feel tactile in comparison, just like a noisy brown. I'm still really hoping that FILCO Zero comes to the UK (all we have now is TLK US layout, not full 105-key ISO) as I'd love a Fukka keyboard at home.
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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 19:26:08 »
Well, I failed. I ended up getting an 87UB 45g (am actually on it right now). I will say that typing on this is much smoother than on Cherry switches, to be honest. The RF keys are much easier on my fingertips when bottoming out, while still not feeling "mushy" like a rubber dome. Very, very nice switch. It may be post-purchase rationalization, but I definitely feel like I enjoy this switch more than the Cherry switches.

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I find that the surface of the keys greases up very readily, and with the dark grey the keyboard looks pretty disgusting at times, all oily. Next time you look, the grease has all gone, then it reappears again … Never had anywhere near that problem with black FILCO keys.

Odd, I had that exact problem with my Filco black keys. Although I do see it as well on the 87UB.

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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 19:34:36 »
heh. They're great switches – they don't click though, and if that's what you want, elsewhere must you look. I keep my Topre at work where I need a quiet keyboard. I need to get my MX brown FILCO fixed one day – must have been at Keyboardco nearly two months now, lost interest in it after realising how nice Topre was …
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« Reply #82 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 19:56:01 »
I only bought it so that I could prove it sucked and sell it on, and it did suck, but I left it lying around at work and used it as a spare keyboard from time to time. When my FILCO broke and I sent it off to keyboardco, I grabbed the Realforce as the only half-decent, quiet spare I had around, and grew to really like it. It's a lot more tactile than Cherry (even browns), without the jarring feel of ALPS, though my TP3 is nicely broken in now and feels pretty good. The only mechanical with the same smooth feel as Topre is BS, but that's way too loud for an open plan office.

The problem with Topre is that it's much harder to evangelise as there's no way I'd ever convince anyone to cough up £192 for a keyboard that isn't truly that much better than a cheap Dell (their current model is pretty nice and lightweight and smooth like a Topre, instead of the stiff, mushy garbage they used to ship until a year ago or so).

I'm miffed that most of EK's Topre keys are out of stock – need to get me a red esc and some lavender unprinted arrow keys ...
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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 20:18:14 »
Quote from: ripster;547157
Remember, when it comes to high end consumer products the cognitive dissonance effects of post purchase rationalization are strong indeed.

I am definitely going to keep this in mind. I think I'm going to use the RF for a while, and then go back to the Cherry switches and see how I like them.

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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 04:06:08 »
Quote from: ripster;547157
Remember, when it comes to high end consumer products the cognitive dissonance effects of post purchase rationalization are strong indeed.

That said, there is some truth in that when it comes to my FILCO brown vs that cheap Dell though ;)
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« Reply #85 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 11:33:16 »
Yup. However, after a day with the RF, the initial "superiority gap" between it and my Filco has decreased. And, considering that my two CM QuickFire's are exactly the same as my Filco (except for the ugly branding), it's safe to say that price really has nothing to do with quality once you're over the $75 range.

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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:12:15 »
Serious? A single key costs over 1/3 the price of the whole board?

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« Reply #87 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:15:16 »
I don't consider FILCO vs Topre to be one of quality – just personal preference honestly.
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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 05:20:26 »
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It's a lot more tactile than Cherry (even browns), without the jarring feel of ALPS, though my TP3 is nicely broken in now and feels pretty good. The only mechanical with the same smooth feel as Topre is BS, but that's way too loud for an open plan office.


Sigh, I read this thread to find some reasons to NOT buy one too :)
I'm really looking for silent BS, which also do not fatigue me and the 45g Topre can be just that.
The only con for me is the USB only plug (the 103 is not avail in ISO layout).

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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 09:40:21 »
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Sigh, I read this thread to find some reasons to NOT buy one too :)
I'm really looking for silent BS, which also do not fatigue me and the 45g Topre can be just that.
The only con for me is the USB only plug (the 103 is not avail in ISO layout).

The is a full-size iso keyboard. Look at thekeyboardco.com

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« Reply #90 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 16:19:10 »
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The is a full-size iso keyboard. Look at thekeyboardco.com


USB and not fixed 45g.
But price is ok and i am going to order the filco brown IT from them anyway.

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« Reply #91 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 16:41:07 »
Why is the TKL RF so much more expensive than the 103? Because EK can get away with selling it at that price? What makes the hhkb-s worth an extra 150? some foam?

Topre is an overpriced super high end rubber dome

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« Reply #92 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 16:42:48 »
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Why is the TKL RF so much more expensive than the 103? Because EK can get away with selling it at that price? What makes the hhkb-s worth an extra 150? some foam?

Topre is an overpriced super high end rubber dome

Everything you say there is spot on. Still love my HHKB Though.

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« Reply #93 on: Sun, 18 March 2012, 20:21:53 »
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Why is the TKL RF so much more expensive than the 103? Because EK can get away with selling it at that price? What makes the hhkb-s worth an extra 150? some foam?

Topre is an overpriced super high end rubber dome

Same can be said with anything high-end.
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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 19 March 2012, 13:57:07 »
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Everything you say there is spot on. Still love my HHKB Though.
Yeah. I still want one :p