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« on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 11:30:23 »
I'm interested in how do they feel and sound compared to MX Blue / Buckling Spring / Alps Black?
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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 11:42:52 »
See, I'm asking because I'm looking for better keyboard. I really like Buckling Springs - they're smooth, they're stiff, they click loud but... It's very hard to get uniform sound and feel across the board, even after bolt modding and spending days tweaking springs tightness. I don't like MX blue for the reason you said. It sounds and feels cheap. And it's wobbly compared to BS. I have mixed feelings about Dell AT101W (complicated black alps). It feels very solid, but it's not very smooth and feels weird, like it had one tactile point just on top then another one closer to bottom. It activates on a top one, but it's so short travel I can't get used to it so I bottom out almost all the time, unless I really pay attention not to do it... Maybe it would be easier not to bottom out if it clicked, that's why I'm thinking about white Alps, as an alternative to BS.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 11:57:25 »
IMHO blue cherries are the perfect clicky switch. It's like a light buckling spring.
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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 12:15:01 »
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IMHO blue cherries are the perfect clicky switch. It's like a light buckling spring.

No it's nothing like Buckling Spring. It's shorter travel, higher pitch irritating click which feels plasticky, and the keys are wobbly compared to Model Ms.
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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 12:21:56 »
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I forgot to mention.  Blue Cherries are better than White ALPS.

In what sense? Are they not as smooth as cherries? Or their click is less pronounced?
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 12:25:10 »
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No it's nothing like Buckling Spring. It's shorter travel, higher pitch irritating click which feels plasticky, and the keys are wobbly compared to Model Ms.

Well, both of them sort of "collapse" after the tactile bump. That's what I meant.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 12:27:51 »
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In what sense? Are they not as smooth as cherries? Or their click is less pronounced?
In my experience ALPS get grainy after a few months of use, while blue cherries stay smooth for years.
This is just my opinion though. Different strokes for different folks.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 14:27:57 »
ALPS have their own unique feel/sound. If you don't find them too stiff, you may like them a lot.

They kind of force you to bottom out because the tactile point makes up so much of the peak force compared to cherry and BS. They are pretty nice to type on. Black ALPS are poor representation of ALPS switches and feel a lot worse than others IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 14:36:03 »
IMO, Cherrys stay smoother longer (if not nearly forever), the tactility is smoother in Cherrys, and Cherrys aren't as wobbly.

New, white, complicated ALPS are OK. Black, complicated ALPS and Simplified ALPS* are pretty mediocre.

*Maybe with the exception of Fukkas as I haven't tried them.


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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 14:51:34 »
I think ALPS just require more taking care of, because they have more parts and therefore more areas to get gunked up. I have ALPS that are 20+ years old and feel great. I also have some ALPS that feel like the board was buried in sand for 10 years.
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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 17:43:56 »
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Buckling spring has the sharpest tactile feel.

Does this depend on your model? In my experience the tactile point on the Unicomp Spacesaver is smooth and rounded, while "any" clicky ALPS keyboard (Type I and II white, and complicated blue in my experience) has a much sharper tactile point, which on simplifieds is razor sharp and bordering on jarring, which I find uncomfortable and distracting. I can't say for sure that complicated blue is better, simply because my Type I and II boards are both brand new and my complicated blue board is venerable, and I imagine that, new, it could have felt the same. I think my Type I (TP3) is starting to break in a little now, although I rarely use it.

MX blue is a lot lighter; far lighter than any other clicky keyboard. And the sound when bottomed out is quite charming as the click and clack coincide like a chord, although it's not as nice as the resounding clack of ALPS, nor is it as loud!

Buckling spring feels a lot stiffer than ALPS when pressed slowly – the force curve seems a lot straighter and linear, with the tactile point near the end of the travel, giving you a long, tough push to the bottom, instead of the early release of ALPS. spoila optima's description of Cherry MX as being "like a light buckling spring" has a grain of truth in it, in that, to me, both can be considered "linear with a bump", varying in spring stiffness and the position of the bump. ALPS switches on the other hand have a "top-heavy" force curve the same as dome switches, and a very sharp leading tactile point, which once reached, forces you to bottom out just like a dome switch because of the sheer force required to overcome it. Cherry MX drops the least when you slowly push it past the tactile point, then BS, and finally clicky ALPS.

My dusty paint-spattered "new in box" AT101W though is really awful -- coarse, grindy switches. I don't know if tactile ALPS are really that horrid, or whether they're just dusty. Storing my complicated blue ALPS keyboard in the corner of a damp room exposed to dust for years never did it any harm at all -- it's still as crisp and sharp as a brand new ALPS, wear notwithstanding (it feels as good as new, it's just not as jarring as a Type I or II).

TL;DR – one day my Cherry MX blue feels hopelessly soft, another day it's too stiff … Perception is deception. Key switches: gotta collect them all.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 18 October 2011, 03:20:46 »
thought the Northgate OmniKey 101 was the graal of keyboard enthusiasts ^^

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 18 October 2011, 05:18:08 »
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Buckling spring has the sharpest tactile feel.  MX Blue feels plasticy.  White COMPLICATED ALPS is quite good and in between but pretty stiff still.  Simplified Type 1 isn't bad but wobbly.  Simplified Type 2 is balkier than a BYU Co-ed.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 18 October 2011, 06:13:20 »
MX Blues - Fastest, easiest typing
Buckling Spring - Best feel
White ALPS - Best sound