6KRO for Leopold

[Glacierx]

Just noticed I cannot combine left shift key with backspacekey.

Example:
after typing a sentence, I cannot hold the backspace key to erase the whole sentence when shift is held down. It only erases the last letter, then stops. I thought USB connection supports 6KRO? (I tested a rubber dome one at work and it works perfectly).

[funkymeeba]

I am not having this issue with either of the two new Leopolds I got. The one I am trying now is over USB.

[squarebox]

This is what I got from my FC500R


I suggest TS to use a different USB port. It worked for me.
USB port on the front of my case only supports 6KRO but the USB port at the back works perfectly fine.

[IvanIvanovich]

I can press both of those keys at the same time on my Leopold. The kro varies from computer to computer for me. I can do 18kro on my Via EpiaM, 12kro on my Zotac IONitx, and only 6kro on my EVGA P55SLI. On my EVGA it does not matter which of the rear ports I use, they all have the same. It appears that not all usb controller are created equal then?

[bloodygood]

Ah I get it, the front ports are acting as laptop under-powered ports while the back are working right off of the motherboard as normal full powered ones.

[IvanIvanovich]

It is amusing. Though really it would be the fault of the usb controler / chipset for not allowing it and not the keyboard. So it would be wise not to advertise more than 6kro as whatever trickery may or may not work on select motherboards.
One other thing I noticed is that on both my Via and Zotac the Leopold shows 2 keyboard entries in device manager, but only 1 on my evga.

[pitashen]

Why implementing half assed 6+KRO instead of just using the good old robust 6KRO?... puzzled puzzled..

[Soarer]

... The kro varies from computer to computer for me. I can do 18kro on my Via EpiaM, 12kro on my Zotac IONitx, and only 6kro on my EVGA P55SLI. ...

... One other thing I noticed is that on both my Via and Zotac the Leopold shows 2 keyboard entries in device manager, but only 1 on my evga.

All very curious! Have you got any other >6KRO devices you could test out?

Why implementing half assed 6+KRO instead of just using the good old robust 6KRO?... puzzled puzzled..

I half agree :-p Certainly attempting >6KRO using low-speed USB seems unwise! But with full-speed USB, it's far easier to do full NKRO - none of this messing about with extra devices to get a higher number of keys (which is what seems to cause most of the problems).

[IvanIvanovich]

Actually I don't. My other keyboards are Poker (6kro on all my systems), and G80-11908 (2kro). My Poker also shows up as more than one device though, it has entries for both keyboard AND mouse for some damn reason, even in bios.

[Soarer]

I didn't think the Poker was supposed to be >6KRO? The HID report that wupi posted says it's 6KRO, with a second device that sort of claims to be a mouse, but actually has loads of media keys etc!

edit: Heh... you edited!

[Soarer]

Hey lysol - any chance you could dump some HID report descriptors for me for the Leopold from each machine? It might show up something that explains what's going on there, and possibly why the OP is having a problem with such a basic combination.

[IvanIvanovich]

Sure. It might be awhile before I get around to the Epia system, as I don't use it much. I only use it for old 9x games that don't work right on windows 7 or dosbox/vm. I'll post the result in that other thread.

[IvanIvanovich]

Done. Posted results in the HID reports thread.

[Soarer]

Glacierx, what OS are you using?

lysol, thanks for the reports, I've posted some analysis there re the variable KRO.

I couldn't spot anything obvious in the reports that would interfere with shift + backspace though.

[RickyJ]

My Leopold is 18KRO + modifiers on my Asus X58 system (with Win7 64bit).  I can hold down LShift and Backspace and have 17 other alpha/num keys register at the same time.

[Clickey]

Ripster quit hating on Filco competitors. You are tempting me to make a review with pics of both boards taken apart and weighed to disprove the pro-filco, anti-everything else propaganda.

Buy a Leo before you judge. You hate on a product you haven't even tried.

[TheProfosist]

According to Ripsters Weight Theorem (see Sticky in my subforum) the Leopold is just a touch below Filco in build quality.


Sounds about right.

Somebody put a WASD on a scale.

WASD: 2lb 10.5oz
Leopold TKL(with cable): 2lb 1.7oz

[TheProfosist]

I said there was more plastic than the rosewill as there is the bit that extends out for the wrist rest to be attached but I may be wrong in saying that because of how the rosewill shell goes together there is overlapping plastic.

[dorkvader]

WASD is 1,200g.  Just what WASD said.

SAME as a Filco AFAIK.  According to Ripsters Quality~Fg Theorem (RipQFT) the build quality is equivalent.

I thought somebody claimed the WASD had thicker plastic?

Thanks for the numbers.  I'll add to the database.

WASD does have a very large controller board. Remember those cutouts on the back for potential aduio functionality? The circuit board goes all the way up to there, and most is unpopulated. This should lead to a slightly higher weight.

I don't have a filco, so I dunno about plastic. The CMstorm (very similar) has a nicer case design. I really prefer how that one goes together. I prefer how the WASD comes apart, though.