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Offline ThatBum

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« on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:06:43 »
Hello, geeks. I am in the market for a new keyboard, and I'm considering getting a mechanical one. I used to have a Saitek Cyborg keyboard. After five or so years, some of the keycaps have been sweated right off, and the snap has gone out of the rubber domes. A few days ago, I got a Microsoft SideWinder x6, and I liked it even less than the Cyborg. The key travel is much less than the Cyborg, it's similar to a notebook/laptop keyboard.  Also, the angle to the desk is nearly flat, as it lacks feet, and I had the Cyborg up to the maximum before. Finally, the layout is subtly nonstandard...I keep ending up hitting S6/S12 macro key instead of Left Ctrl, and F1 instead of Esc. The things I like about it are the switchable numpad, which I like having on the left side because: a) My hands aren't all squished together when my hand is on the mouse and the other is on the numpad; b) The edge of the standard keyboard is much closer to the mouse; c) The way the desk and monitor are set up, it centers the board better to make typing more comfortable. I also like the big volume knob.

Now...the force and travel on the Cyborg is quite nice for me, the SideWinder's is too light. I'll admit, I'm a bit ham-fisted and am pretty heavy-handed with my typing. I did the nickel test as I've read here, and on various keys it took 12 nickels to actuate them, which is guess would be 60 grams.

I want to use this keyboard for gaming. My build has a GTX 570, 12GB of DDR3-1600, and an i7-950 at 4.0GHz, liquid cooled. So, it can crunch whatever I want to throw at it. However, I also run a game server, and need to do rapid typing in IM to the users to fix problems and such. English in college is coming up as well, and I will need to type essays.

This is making me think a Cherry MX Black is for me, being 60 grams and all. I sort of want a tactile switch though. I've heard using the Black described as pushing a firm sponge, which is a sensation I don't think I would enjoy. Being a rubber dome user all my life, I would certainly miss the confirming feeling of the dome collapsing/popping inside out. Still, with a mechanical switch with tactility, if I were to double-tap or float a key, I would be worried about the reset point of the switch, a non-issue for a rubber dome or non-tactile mechanical switch. I would consider the MX Brown, but it seems too light. The MX Clear looks good, but boards with them in it are virtually non-existent.

So, I was thinking of the AZIO Levetron Mech4. In my eyes it's everything the SideWinder should have been. Though, it uses the old style L-shaped Enter key and half-size Backspace, but nothing's perfect.

If there's any other suggestions around the $100 mark, go ahead and shoot.

Offline Gin

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:13:26 »
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My build has a GTX 570, 12GB of DDR3-1600, and an i7-950 at 4.0GHz, liquid cooled.

Good. Mechanical keyboards are very on the computer.


On a more serious note, if you want stiffer (~60g) and tactile, get a cherry MX clear board.

Offline ThatBum

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:34:21 »
Well, yeah, but Clear boards are so rare, it seems. The only one available is the Deck Legend, and it's a bit too pricey...

Offline Gin

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:38:30 »
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200reab
In stock

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200reaw
This one is out of stock, you could preorder and it ships soon enough.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23631-FS-Leopold-TKL-clears-black
This is from one of the geekhackers over at classified, about 25 dollars less than EK.

Offline ThatBum

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:45:04 »
Humph, I actually haven't even looked at EliteKeyboards before. Still, a full size would be nice. I'm still considering my original choice of that gaming one with the swappable keypad. I'll probably end up bottoming out the keys anyhow, with how I type.

E: Come to think of it, I think the local Fry's has some demo models of mechanical keyboards. I might go there soon and try them out to see what switch I like.

Offline Zamorph

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:00:51 »
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Hello, geeks..

Whoa, watch your language

I love reds and blues.  
Buy keyboards from here!!!
Best price for great boards imo.  Note they are tenkeyless and yes you should buy them.
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/
« Last Edit: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:06:41 by Zamorph »

Offline Trueepower

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:02:44 »
If you are typing a lot I would recommend a red switch, with some dampening pads. They have a light feel to them which makes them ideal for multiple key presses and while holding down keys. Great for typist who are going to bottom out anyways, and aren't going to be touch typist. Most people prefer light keys so I would definitely try a black switch board before hand before purchasing to get an idea, or pick a store like Amazon where you can easily do an RMA. I don't mind black switches for gaming, although they are a bit heavy overall for gaming and especially typing. So it just depends on your personal preference. Good luck!
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Offline ThatBum

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:35:38 »
Well, see, I'm sort of a touch typist, but I type most keys with my middle fingers, farther away ones with the ring fingers, and thumb for the spacebar. I never really learned proper typing, what with the home row and what fingers assigned to what keys and all that. I just sort of invented my own style. I guess it's not as bad as some typing on YouTube that I've seen with people hitting spacebar with their right index finger, but it's all relative.

I did a speed test just now and got 51 words per minute, which is decent I suppose. I could get a board with Blues in it, the sound wouldn't bother me, but it's the force required for activation and how pronounced the tactile-ness is that's important to me. I'd imagine that I could get used to lower weight keys...hell, maybe it would make me type faster if I could just fly over them and not have to pound on them as much. I'm just a bit worried that I'll turn into a mechanical keyboard snob and not be able to use rubber dome keyboards anymore. :P

Offline Magna224

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 20:05:07 »
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I'm just a bit worried that I'll turn into a mechanical keyboard snob and not be able to use rubber dome keyboards anymore. :P

Don't worry you will.
If you live in AZ you can try my keyboards. I usually keep plenty of different ALPS and MX and buckling springs.

Offline Surnia

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 21:28:33 »
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Don't worry you will.
+1

hate rubber domes now... you can and WILL feel the difference after 2 weeks =p

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Offline Foodmanchew

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 22:27:41 »
If you do a lot of typing, it is totally worth it to learn how to touch type properly. I had a similar style to you and typed at around 50 WPM. In a month and a half I am up to 80-90 WPM. There are a couple websites with free lessons online. If you don't use your numpad that often I would suggest a Tenkeyless board. I plan on getting a TKL Leopold this month.

Offline ZeroGraVT

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 23:44:37 »
check the classified section of the forum.  there's a leopold with reds and a rosewill with blues for around $80.

Offline ThatBum

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 23:59:45 »
Thanks, all.

Foodmanchew: I dunno, I'm not very good with taking lessons for things. I think my typing style is too well-engrained to be changed. I've been typing that way since middle school, and I'm in college now. Also, I need a 10 keypad for online math homework and other such things. I default to using it to enter numbers and operate my emulated TI calculator over the main numbers. A keyboard without a 10 keypad wouldn't seem complete to me. If I end up having to get a tenkeyless board, I'm probably going to get a separate 10 keypad and stick it around the left side, because I like having it there so much. Efficient, I know.

Still on the fence about the switch to get, I might give the Switch Try Board thing that's going around here a go, once I get enough posts that is.

If I finally decide on Blacks, then that board above is it. Though, I've been giving Reds some thought based on what people were saying about Reds in the STB topic. Possibly Brown, if I can train myself to not bottom them out and stop at the tactile point when typing, and ignore it when using the board for gaming controls. The Rosewill RK-9000 looks like a good bet. Its build quality is solid and it comes in a variety of switch types. Maybe I don't need tactility anyhow, if I'm bottoming them out. Presumably, any path I choose would be better than the rubber domes, so I have that going for me.