Author Topic: Restart computer for Leopold? (Read 2459 times)

SmallFry · « **on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:16:33 »

Like the title states...Do you have to restart your computer to use your Leopold?

funkymeeba · « **Reply #1 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:23:58 »

I did when I hooked it up with PS/2. With USB, no.

SmallFry · « **Reply #2 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:25:11 »

Hmm...interesting, I shall have to investigate this... Mine has been picky over USB whether I do or don't.

reaper · « **Reply #3 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:53:41 »

Mine works fine over USB. Haven't used that PS/2 port in years.

Lamaboi · « **Reply #4 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:59:25 »

I tend to game alot on a Leopold FC200R, press alot of key combinations and haven't had any issues so far. Works flawless over USB 2.0 or 3.0, regardless of PS/2 adapter.

PixelVandalism · « **Reply #5 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 21:15:06 »

I have to restart for it to work over PS/2.
Haven't tried USB.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #6 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:53:36 »

PS2 ports arnt hot swappable unless its the exact same device so yes it only finds the device when the pc powers on.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #7 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 11:33:32 »

I had to restart pc on usb if I had a different keyboard plugged in already, and plugged the usb cable into the keyboard, with the other end left in the PC. Even replugging the usb to a different pc port, it would not detect it until restart for some reason. If I unplugged the usb from the pc, then plug into keyboard and back to pc it work right away as expected. Pretty odd huh?

eth0s · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 13:43:02 »

Quote from: SmallFry;485651

Hmm...interesting, I shall have to investigate this... Mine has been picky over USB whether I do or don't.

Yeah, I've had the same problem. When I first plug the Leo into USB, sometimes it does not register. You can try unplugging and replugging into different USB slot, that works for me, or try restart, which sometimes doesn't work. However, once my Leo is working, it works fine. It's just that initial recognition when I plug it in that seems to be a problem. This is for Leo FC200RR/AB TKL MX Red.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 13:45:22 »

I have not had to do that, no.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #10 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 14:03:44 »

Quote from: SmallFry;485646

Like the title states...Do you have to restart your computer to use your Leopold?

Really? I never had this issue. Not with my newer one either. Last night I transferred mine between my desktop and htpc when doing some driver updates on the htpc. I always use usb and its always detected right away.

RickyJ · « **Reply #11 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 14:55:52 »

Smallfry, what motherboard and version of Windows do you have? Does this happen when you change the USB port only, or every time you start your computer with the Leopold already plugged in?

Quote from: ripster;486090

Added this thread to my list of Leopold possible controller problems in my subforum.

If I change the USB port that my Fiio USB DAC/Amp is plugged into, I have to restart my computer (Asus X58 board, Win7-64bit). I've just chalked that up as the way the Windows Audio Policy works. While the HID policy should be different, it might have something to do with the way Leopold gets 18KRO (I have 4 keyboards in Device Manager, for one USB numpad and one Leopold).

TheProfosist · « **Reply #12 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 15:14:35 »

I have had to restart the PC in order to get the keyboard to work this has happened mostly with my HHKB though so I dont think that it is only a leopold thing.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #13 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 15:15:07 »

Quote from: RickyJ;486117

Smallfry, what motherboard and version of Windows do you have? Does this happen when you change the USB port only, or every time you start your computer with the Leopold already plugged in?

If I change the USB port that my Fiio USB DAC/Amp is plugged into, I have to restart my computer (Asus X58 board, Win7-64bit). I've just chalked that up as the way the Windows Audio Policy works. While the HID policy should be different, it might have something to do with the way Leopold gets 18KRO (I have 4 keyboards in Device Manager, for one USB numpad and one Leopold).

The keyboard he's using was mine. I did not have this issue on an Asus P67 Evo in win 7 64. Or my htpc with a Biostar amd board.

Crowat · « **Reply #14 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:00:15 »

I had to restart my PC when I first plugged in my leopold over PS2. 0 problems since. Windows 7 & didn't register it until I restarted.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #15 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:10:11 »

You should always have to reboot when it comes to ps2. If you plug it in while the pc is on.

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RickyJ · « **Reply #16 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:44:17 »

I'm surprised you guys are even plugging in PS/2 keyboards while the power is on. The connector is not designed electrically for hot-plugging, whereas the USB standard includes ground pins that extend further than the others so that it can be hot-plugged.

elitekeyboards · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:47:08 »

Quote from: ripster;486090

Added this thread to my list of Leopold possible controller problems in my subforum.

Quote from: ripster;486119

See Lysol's post. I suspect it has to do more with the 12KRO trick they use.

This kind of behavior is an electrical issue, not a USB enumeration issue. Sorry to say Ripster, and not to detract from your self-appointed title, but your suspicion lacks SCIENCE!

As TheProfosist notes, it's not an issue isolated to the Leopold.

Quote from: TheProfosist;486126

I have had to restart the PC in order to get the keyboard to work this has happened mostly with my HHKB though so I dont think that it is only a leopold thing.

USB is a shared bus, and in order to maintain current/voltage to other devices on the bus when a new device is plugged in, each port of a USB master controller has it's own over-current switch (resettable fuse) which can be triggered by a short or a device drawing too much current. Given the small distance between pins on the USB mini-B connector, it's not a surprise that a short could occur on occasion, particularly given the somewhat unnatural angle of insertion required with a Leopold.

Admittedly, the likelihood of a short with the mini-B somewhat diminishes its convenience, and in my limited experience, mini-As do better in this regard, but they lack the structural strength.

SmallFry · « **Reply #18 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 19:47:14 »

Thanks EK! Also, I just bought this Leopold second hand. I have the receipt and warranty, but I read that the warranty doesn't transfer unless the seller asks you... Is it too late if I were to have a problem with this board?

TheProfosist · « **Reply #19 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 20:07:51 »

Quote from: ripster;486253

On USB my Filcos have always been recognized without a reboot.

I think this might be PC based because I had all that trouble on my desktop now that my laptop is my main PC no such troubles.

SmallFry · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 20:54:49 »

This problem has occured on my Mac, PC, and my Linux box, therefore I believe that EK had the right assumption with the shorting idea.

SmallFry · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 23:35:45 »

Yes. It is USB unless it changed on me.:tongue:

lightsout714 · « **Reply #22 on:** Mon, 09 January 2012, 00:14:19 »

Quote from: SmallFry;486248

Thanks EK! Also, I just bought this Leopold second hand. I have the receipt and warranty, but I read that the warranty doesn't transfer unless the seller asks you... Is it too late if I were to have a problem with this board?

You just contact the original seller to help you out

lightsout714 · « **Reply #23 on:** Mon, 09 January 2012, 08:33:02 »

Quote from: ripster;486455

Hah. The original seller will blow a fuse if you do that.

I am the original seller. No reason I wouldn't help out with an rma. I'm not paying for shipping but why wouldn't I?

SmallFry · « **Reply #24 on:** Mon, 09 January 2012, 08:39:56 »

Yeah, I'm carrying the board around my high school, so portability and disconnecting the Mini-USB is key. Also, thanks for reminding me about my signature being outdated.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon, 09 January 2012, 11:28:32 »

Oh for that I would have bought a board without a detachable cable. I think constantly taking it in and out will eventually cause issues.

laffindude · « **Reply #26 on:** Mon, 09 January 2012, 13:18:14 »

Quote from: elitekeyboards;486217

USB is a shared bus, and in order to maintain current/voltage to other devices on the bus when a new device is plugged in, each port of a USB master controller has it's own over-current switch (resettable fuse) which can be triggered by a short or a device drawing too much current. Given the small distance between pins on the USB mini-B connector, it's not a surprise that a short could occur on occasion, particularly given the somewhat unnatural angle of insertion required with a Leopold.

Admittedly, the likelihood of a short with the mini-B somewhat diminishes its convenience, and in my limited experience, mini-As do better in this regard, but they lack the structural strength.

Not sure if I buy the short circuit explanation. Have you actually observed this or is it a theory? Ground pin is attached first so it shouldn't short/arc between connectors and pins.

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Author Topic: Restart computer for Leopold? (Read 2459 times)