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Offline davkol

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 15 January 2012, 17:09:43 »
Can you go to the shop with a laptop and plug mice from the exhibition? Some of the cheapest, most basic "ambidextrous" (marketing-happy way of not presenting "not profiled" as a negative) Microsofts or Logitechs are surprisingly good, as are bottom of the line A4-techs (which are even cheaper). All you need is to find the right one for your hand size and shape. The problem, however, is dpi, especially if you have a big screen. Dpi may limit you to "gaming" products, although there's plenty of noname or poor name 1200 and 1600 dpi optical or laser mice in the market. Some are rubber coated. Buttons may be a problem, especially in terms of drivers.

This said, there was a left-handed version of Razer's Deathadder, a big-sized, profiled, palm-gripping mouse. It might be worth looking at. Probably the closest to what you need. Perhaps within €30.

May want to look at this, though: http://www.ttesports.com/products/product.aspx?s=14. Basic, no-nonsense mouse with rubber coating, braided cable and low friction movement.

Also look at Steelseries Xai. Looks like millions of people have loved it over several years by now and it's used by a number of professional gamers (probably because of sponsorship reasons but anyway). It has high res (up to 5000 dpi or a bit more), it has additional buttons, it is huge, it has the coating etc. Depending on your subjective preference, it may turn out better than a specifically left-hand profiled mouse (for example I dislike most right-hand profiled mice).

By the way, you sure about palm grip? I used to be but I've found out that in many cases a small and light mouse will be less painful to operate than a huge palm-gripper, even with big hands.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 15 January 2012, 18:21:42 »
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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 15 January 2012, 19:53:36 »
I would definitely not buy cheap mice without having an opportunity to try them. Or else you'll end up with 20 of them, like my keyboard adventure (and I have a bunch of mice too...).

Hmmm... if you don't want to bend your wrist, perhaps you should consider smaller dpis? Then you'd be able to relegate a lot of the movement to your arm and shoulder, "low-sens" style (which is the reason why some guys have those huge mouse pads). Also, you could try and find the right pivot for your hand. For example, if you use the bone of your wrist as the pivot, placing it on the edge of the desk, it gets easier in RTS gaming (less effort required). There are probably better and worse positions for the elbow etc. too (e.g. I used to keep my elbow on the window sill, some 10 cm above the desk surface) if you go for shoulder swipes instead. A lawyer I knew used a long plush cylinder to elevate her wrists for typing and mousing (better than those wrist rests that stop your circulation).

Don't worry about gaming and wireless. Almost all gaming mice are wired and even some wireless ones have a wire option. ;)

By the way, if you want something lighter in weight, look at Steelseries Kana. This thing is 124 mm long, 64 wide and 37 high and it weighs only 72 grams. I actually wrote to them a couple of hours ago to ask how they pulled it off. I have to fight off my urge but 72 grams is really tempting me and my aching hands.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 29 January 2012, 05:39:25 »
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I'm not able to reply right now, but I've an opportunity to get Roccat Kova+ with mouse pad (Roccat Sense) at quite good price. Should I go for it?

I just bought the Kova+ yesterday and it feels superb.  My only slight niggle is having only medium size hands it still feels a little on the small side.  I changed from an orginal Razer Deathadder as the scroll wheel button only worked when it felt like it.  

This is my first Roccat product and I must say the build quality feels very impressive.  The scroll wheel on this mouse is probably the best I've ever used, I know its subjective and feel is a personal thing but it's about twice the thickness of a standard scroll wheel and has a really nice smooth quiet action to it.  Also with a little practice I think it will be very easy to use the buttons on both sides of the mouse which is handy having another couple of buttons, I've set them to DPI switches.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:46:48 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:08:06 »
I absolutely love my Wow Joy Pen but there is no left-hand version.

I use a very old Microsoft Optical Wheel mouse on the left side and it works well. I like a fairly large mouse that is not heavy, and only use the basic buttons.

The Evoluent left-hand mouse that I used was just awful - far too upright and too difficult to operate without involving the entire hand.
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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 14 April 2013, 17:14:44 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 14 April 2013, 18:37:10 »
I use 1680x1060 but I never game, although I do a fair amount of music and photo editing.

Honestly, I don't know what my mouse settings are. I am embarrassed to admit that since I switched over to Windows 7, I have never been able to find my way to the "Mouse" part of the Control Panel that is like the old (95/98/XP) one. There is something called "Mouse" but it does not have any information or choices of settings like the old hardware control did. For a year I have obviously been using the default setting, whatever that is.

Attached are front and rear photos of a right-hand Joy and a left-hand Evoluent.

With flat mice, you are able to tap straight down and your palm does little more than steady the body of the mouse.

With the Joy, leaning toward the center about 45 degrees, I find myself dragging the last 2 fingers off the side, and this really helps with stability and accuracy. The thumb position feels very relaxed and natural. To me, it is the perfect configuration.

The Evoluent, being almost completely upright, forces you to "pinch" back with your thumb to resist the force of a mouse click - gravity is not helping you at all - and the fingers are trying to move the mouse laterally. Forcing the thumb to be involved probably triples the number of muscles involved in a mouse click, making it unbearably cumbersome and annoying to me.

The Evoluent also employs some kind of "predictive" positioning which I was never able to get in synch with.

Surely there is a market for a left-hand Joy, or similar knock-off.
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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 15 April 2013, 02:06:14 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 15 April 2013, 09:23:08 »
The problem is what happens to the "equal and opposite" force to resist the push to click.

With a flat mouse, you could take one finger and press straight down towards the table to register a click. Gravity and friction keep the mouse in place against the force of your click.

When the mouse is upright, the force of the click wants to make the mouse move in the opposite direction, and your thumb must be there to resist it. This means that the entire hand must be involved with everything, all the time.

Instead of only moving the index finger up and down, the entire hand is opening and closing like a clam shell.
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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 19 April 2013, 12:25:14 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 19 April 2013, 13:00:52 »
Swapping switches is pretty easy. The wheel will be a challenge.

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 19 April 2013, 13:54:00 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 19 April 2013, 14:33:08 »
As I understand it, they are pretty standard, with a large size and a small size. Those look like the large size, the small ones are perhaps half that size.

I used an old Logitech ball mouse, which was probably at least 10 years old but not worn, and those Omron switches went into a brand new Joy without any problem.

Finding a clean second-hand mouse in good condition should be easy. Take out the donor switches and compare them to the recipient before you actually do any work on it.
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 31 July 2013, 04:59:31 »
How to roccat lua is Tri Button? :rolleyes: only $20 he has change switch hand on driver
and CM Storm recon he has also change switch hand  :D
or cherry shark left handed. :cool:
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 07 May 2014, 20:15:38 »
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 09:10:08 »
Razer makes a lefty Naga - If you're into that shizzle O_o

Have you had a look at some ambiedextrous mice? I've heard a few people recommend the Zowie FK.
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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 14:59:30 »
I wouldn't touch a Razer product with a ten foot pole. I've only considered abyssus or salmosa at one point, but I'm perfectly happy with Roccat Lua. I like the shape/size and build quality and there's no competition, when it comes to GNU/Linux support.

I would consider Zowie again, if their products were priced more competitively (at least in Central Europe) and I didn't have to replace Huano switches.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 08 May 2014, 15:17:04 »
Any company, that isn't Razer, isn't Razer, Cpt. Obvious. Most of them fortunately aren't neither Microsoft, nor Apple either.

You mean that most of them are INFERIOR to Microsoft. And even Apple at that! You need to get a Microsoft mouse right now.
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Re: left-handed mouse?
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 12 May 2014, 10:43:55 »
I'm left handed, and I have to say that the Steelseries Sensei Raw is one of the best mice I have found. Plus it's also ambidextrous so if you want you (or anyone that needs to) could use it with your right hand without it feeling funny.
Or as Offline NewbieOneKenobi said there is also the Steelseries Xia that is cheaper and has less buttons.
Now only if I could find a MMO style mouse for lefties  :rolleyes: