New 27" ASUS IPS Monitor 2560x1440

[TheProfosist]

I have been waiting for this to complete my setup http://tinyurl.com/74otmvf

[OkGold]

oh gosh

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IPS is so baller, i'm having a lot of trouble choosing between 120hz and IPS for a future monitor.

[TheProfosist]

oh gosh

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IPS is so baller, i'm having a lot of trouble choosing between 120hz and IPS for a future monitor.

Really depends on what your doing.

[flyball]

i'd rather see a tn 27" monitor. i doubt this one is going to be cheaper than any of the other offerings

[TheProfosist]

i'd rather see a tn 27" monitor. i doubt this one is going to be cheaper than any of the other offerings

There are plenty crappy TNs flying around why would you want one besides it being only slightly cheaper.

[laffindude]

Getting a 27" tn in this resolution would cost just as much as IPS if not more since it will not have economy of scale.

[TheProfosist]

Getting a 27" tn in this resolution would cost just as much as IPS if not more since it will not have economy of scale.

agreed, was getting to that same argument.

[itlnstln]

**** ASUS monitors.  I have 3 (multi-monitor setup).  None of the panels are even close to being a color-match, and one of them has a stuck pixel on green.  I sent back one for a heavy green push, and I am waiting for that one to come back.  Individually, they aren't too bad, but if you're looking for multi-monitor, look elsewhere.  I certainly wouldn't trust an in-depth review as whatever color measurements they take would be absolute horse ****.  If the one on RMA has problems, I'm selling them and getting a Dell 30".

[TheProfosist]

**** ASUS monitors.  I have 3 (multi-monitor setup).  None of the panels are even close to being a color-match, and one of them has a stuck pixel on green.  I sent back one for a heavy green push, and I am waiting for that one to come back.  Individually, they aren't too bad, but if you're looking for multi-monitor, look elsewhere.  I certainly wouldn't trust an in-depth review as whatever color measurements they take would be absolute horse ****.  If the one on RMA has problems, I'm selling them and getting a Dell 30".

What monitors from them do you have? only problem that I have is the blue tinge on my PA238Q which should be fixed if I properly calibrate it.

[itlnstln]

I have 3 VH238H monitors all calibrated with a Spyder 3 (I know, not the best, but it works well enough for text).  All 3 of them have some kind of color push that won't calibrate out even manually.  I sent the one with a massive green push back, but the other two still don't match (even close).  All the Dells I have had have been perfect provided they were the same model and manufactured around the same time.  I know some slight variation is to be expected, but these aren't even close.  I could use the two I have individually without a problem but not in a multi-monitor setup.

[laffindude]

I owned a PW191, and it has one of the best base of any monitor I owned.

[TheProfosist]

I have never had a multi monitor TN setup but i know that low end tn panels are really ****ty in ever regard.

[lootbag]

I have never had a multi monitor TN setup but i know that low end tn panels are really ****ty in ever regard.

+1, went from CRT straight to IPS LCDs.
This ASUS 27" might be a good alternative to that unaffordable Dell 30" IPS monitor I have always wanted.
Hope it'll be for sale at a fair price.

[itlnstln]

I haven't had a problem with TN, multi-monitor setups until I got the ASUSs.  The 30" monitors have approximately the same number of pixels as 2 1920 x 1080 displays, so if the RMA doesn't work out, a 30" Dell is plan B.  Buy the best and be done with it.

[lootbag]

Buy the best and be done with it.

That mindset is the best!

[itlnstln]

That mindset is the best!

True.  I should have listened to my own advice, but my monitor requirements are fairly low.  I just want(ed) 2 monitors with decent resolution and contrast for text editing.  When looking at reviews, the reviewer typically doesn't discuss multi-monitor setups, so it's hard to tell if a particular model's quality is consistent from unit to unit, so your only option is to look at an "aggregate" of reviews, but even then, that approach is fraught with variations in testing equipment, differences in methodology/focus, etc.  Oh, and that's even if you can find more than one review on a particular monitor.

[kps]

Stupid 16:9. Using repurposed televisions as computer displays is an idea that should have died with the Commodore 64.

[flyball]

There are plenty crappy TNs flying around why would you want one besides it being only slightly cheaper.

link one with that resolution

Getting a 27" tn in this resolution would cost just as much as IPS if not more since it will not have economy of scale.

people dont buy 27" panels period. anyways if 24" or 23" panels are anything to go off of then the tn panels should be around half the price of the ips panels.

[IvanIvanovich]

I'm holding for the new LG 27" DM92 that will be released early February. Looks great with 1mm bezel and possible 120hz, though I haven't been able to confirm if real 120hz or just 60hz interpolation.

[Input Nirvana]

Buy the best and be done with it.

I always had medium quality monitors for whatever reason. I totally recognized and liked the higher quality monitors but was put off by the price. Then one day, some chick I was impressing was with me when I was making a monitor purchase, so I spiffed the dirty big bucks for The-Super-Duper-Deluxe-5000-Monitor. The first day I was like "****, that was a lot of money for a monitor", the second day I was like "****, that was a lot of money for a monitor, but it sure is sweeeet", the third day I was like "****, this monitor is super SWEEEET".

Bottom line: I went out for pizza a little less for a couple months, and I don't remember if the chick even had a name.

[woody]

Bottom line: I went out for pizza a little less for a couple months, and I don't remember if the chick even had a name.

Who cares about names, did she had nice curvature?

[laffindude]

people dont buy 27" panels period. anyways if 24" or 23" panels are anything to go off of then the tn panels should be around half the price of the ips panels.

No you can't compare them. 24" TN were almost 400 dollars when it was introduced. That's about 2/3 of the cost of the 24" IPS at the time. 2/3 of 27" IPS would not hit the price point people are comfortable paying for. Who would pay 600+ for a TN panel? It'll drive cost up because they will need to amortize the setup cost over less panels made. And with higher cost, it'll make less people want to buy it.

[flyball]

Who would pay 600+ for a TN panel?

everyone who wants a 27" monitor that doesn't want to pay another $200-$300 for useless extra colorspace.

[Malphas]

Thank you, flyball.  I'm in that boat, although I'd actually rather just pay $300 dollars and get a 27" with 1920x1080 resolution instead.  The extra real estate isn't that valuable to me.

[Hak Foo]

My boss bought two 26 or so inch TN monitors (1920x1080 type, probably basically HDTVs with the tuner cut off, since they were Vizios) for his desk.  At anything but head on, they're virtually unusable.  A shiny front surf  The whole effect is a mess.

I went for two 23" IPS monitors (LG IPS231) and they're spectacular.

[flyball]

 At anything but head on, they're virtually unusable.

sounds acceptable to me

[Malphas]

Yeah, but a crappy Vizio (had to google who the hell that was) doesn't represent the entire TN market.  Plenty of TN panels are fine, unless you need them for visual media work, contrary to the whole IPS snobbery.  Plus I can't ever recall a time I've felt the need to use my computer from a non-head on angle.

[Arc'xer]

Stupid 16:9. Using repurposed televisions as computer displays is an idea that should have died with the Commodore 64.

There's nothing wrong with 16:9 even some of the 16:10 advocates like them. The primary problem with 16:9 is not the aspect ratio but the resolution of 1920x1080 once it's past that as in 1440P then it largely isn't debated much plus the 27" 1440P have a bit tighter pixel pitch at 108.79ppi while 1600P 30" have 100.63ppi . It wouldn't have been so bad if they used say 2048x1152 rather than 1080P as that way you gain just enough vertical height to get near the minimum 16:10 users like to have. Or even changing the horizontal aspect ratio to a vertical were by instead of 1920x1080, it would be 2133x1200(well completely 2,133.3333333333333333333333333333) similar to 1600x900 being 16:9 and 16:10 is 1440x900, same vertical different horizontal. Of course when it comes to multi-monitor setups it makes more debates as now you pretty much have a larger volume of real estate at your disposal.

Who would pay 600+ for a TN panel?

Either what flyball said or a 120Hz LCD. Remember just because it's a TN panel doesn't automatically make it bad they have their pros and cons but some TN panels when calibrated look near IPS in some cases, of course the IPS panel is going to have that subtle-to-noticeable difference but when it comes to calibration across the board in color fidelity. Most people expect it look spectacular, vivid, full of life but when calibrated the monitor will show as close as it possibly could what it is truly and may not seem pretty or vivid or popping and it's why even TN can still look good despite the obvious negatives associated with them.

[laffindude]

120hz is off topic ;o But yes TN have merits. It is the fastest of the 3 LCD technology and cheapest. VA has the blackest blacks, but slowest. IPS has its color fidelity. Are there true 8bit TN panels now? Those 6bit FRC flicker was pretty noticeable to me. Gradients just looks bad on it. TN is good enough for gaming and general usage sure.
600 dollars is not the point. I am stating why it won't be made/sold at reasonable price, not no one would want to buy it at 600 dollars. It is higher priced low volume item out of consideration for the average computer buyer. It won't have the volume needed to drive the price down to 600. Look at mechanical keyboards. The tooling is mostly the same that is why you see clones everywhere. Making something new and different would be costly, driving final price up. That lowers the general appeal, so less units sold, then they would need to raise price. So on. Hence it is more probable something entirely new won't be made.

[Hak Foo]

The issue is, with bigger monitors, and especially a dual setup, you're going to be viewing off-centre to a degree.

I found significant colour reproduction issues with even two 19" TN 4:3 panels; now these were old and probably mediocre, but still, they were enough to interfere with issues like "add a subtle gradient".

[itlnstln]

My boss bought two 26 or so inch TN monitors (1920x1080 type, probably basically HDTVs with the tuner cut off, since they were Vizios) for his desk.  At anything but head on, they're virtually unusable.  A shiny front surf  The whole effect is a mess.

I went for two 23" IPS monitors (LG IPS231) and they're spectacular.

Do you use them in a multi-monitor setup? If so, do the panels match color-wise?

[flyball]

120hz is off topic ;o But yes TN have merits. It is the fastest of the 3 LCD technology and cheapest. VA has the blackest blacks, but slowest. IPS has its color fidelity. Are there true 8bit TN panels now? Those 6bit FRC flicker was pretty noticeable to me. Gradients just looks bad on it. TN is good enough for gaming and general usage sure.
600 dollars is not the point. I am stating why it won't be made/sold at reasonable price, not no one would want to buy it at 600 dollars. It is higher priced low volume item out of consideration for the average computer buyer. It won't have the volume needed to drive the price down to 600. Look at mechanical keyboards. The tooling is mostly the same that is why you see clones everywhere. Making something new and different would be costly, driving final price up. That lowers the general appeal, so less units sold, then they would need to raise price. So on. Hence it is more probable something entirely new won't be made.

please cite your sources. specifically where a 27" tn panel will cost more than an ips panel and how nobody will buy one.

warning: current tn panels are strictly cheaper than ips panels by something like at least 25%, on larger panels it's closer to 33%, and i'd buy a 27" tn panel if it had the resolution of the monitor in the op.

[TheProfosist]

Thank you, flyball.  I'm in that boat, although I'd actually rather just pay $300 dollars and get a 27" with 1920x1080 resolution instead.  The extra real estate isn't that valuable to me.

they make those i think you can pick them up $200+ I have seen a few BenQ ones i believe they were a black friday deal a couple years ago.

please cite your sources. specifically where a 27" tn panel will cost more than an ips panel and how nobody will buy one.

warning: current tn panels are strictly cheaper than ips panels by something like at least 25%, on larger panels it's closer to 33%, and i'd buy a 27" tn panel if it had the resolution of the monitor in the op.

they used to exist back when the 16:10 aspect ration was more common cant get one now everyone is pushing IPS, notice it on just about everything lately?

[laffindude]

please cite your sources. specifically where a 27" tn panel will cost more than an ips panel and how nobody will buy one.

Cite your source where it can be made cheaply. If it could be made cheaply, manufacturers would have jumped over each other producing 30" panels and charge even 80% of the IPS and make wad loads of cash from the cost difference.
It is simple economics. Setting up production to switch to a different panel size is not free. Down time cost the plant money. They need to amortize the cost (including plant life, machinery, setup) over less panels made, higher rejection rate due to larger panel+ higher density, opportunity cost, etc. Incremental cost may be as cheap as you're suggesting, but what about the sunk cost?

[Malphas]

they make those i think you can pick them up $200+ I have seen a few BenQ ones i believe they were a black friday deal a couple years ago.

Yeah they do, I've been meaning to pick up a £200 27" Iiyama or something for a while now.

[laffindude]

There's always the Hanns G http://www.amazon.com/Hanns-HZ281HPB-28-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B003C2B1O2/ref=pd_cp_pc_0/182-0121233-5973963
Hard to beat the price on this one for the size. Not the greatest panel, but good enough for general usage.

[TheProfosist]

There's always the Hanns G http://www.amazon.com/Hanns-HZ281HPB-28-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B003C2B1O2/ref=pd_cp_pc_0/182-0121233-5973963
Hard to beat the price on this one for the size. Not the greatest panel, but good enough for general usage.

lol didnt know they still made that model.

[itlnstln]

Quick question: what is the big deal about having a 16:10 aspect ratio; I don't quite understand the argument.  Not trying to troll or anything, but I don't really understand why this is important.  In my mind, I think 16:9 would be more useful since the monitor could multitask as a TV without scaling (potentially) or letterboxing.

[Hak Foo]

The appeal of 16:10 is more vertical space.  I. e. a 16:9 video full screen and controls.  Or more lines of text/code.

Even on a 3840x1080 setup, I wish I had more vertical space; I should try turning the screens around to give 2160x1920.

[TheProfosist]

The appeal of 16:10 is more vertical space.  I. e. a 16:9 video full screen and controls.  Or more lines of text/code.

Even on a 3840x1080 setup, I wish I had more vertical space; I should try turning the screens around to give 2160x1920.

Agreed its very nice when I encode video because you can see the full size video but still have the controls on the bottom.

[itlnstln]

Agreed its very nice when I encode video because you can see the full size video but still have the controls on the bottom.

OK, that makes sense.

[flyball]

Agreed its very nice when I encode video because you can see the full size video but still have the controls on the bottom.

this is a problem with the resolution, not aspect ratio

[itlnstln]

It could be a function of both, but a resolution of 1920 x 1200 would give you maximum screen coverage with no scaling (assuming 1080p video) and room for controls.  Higher resolutions would give you room for controls, but you wouldn't get the same screen coverage, especially without scaling.

[GeorgeStorm]

I've got the Hanns.G, very happy with it, 16:10 is awesome, the extra height is great for pretty much everything.

[keyboardnoob]

Asus support is god awful tho, I hope nothing wrong happens to it after the first month..

[Malphas]

It could be a function of both, but a resolution of 1920 x 1200 would give you maximum screen coverage with no scaling (assuming 1080p video) and room for controls.  Higher resolutions would give you room for controls, but you wouldn't get the same screen coverage, especially without scaling.

Yeah maybe, I'd imagine the extra space from a higher resolution screen at 16:9 is still more useful for additional controls than it is to have the extra screen coverage from 1920x1200.  I might be wrong though, and personal tastes really I guess.  You'd still get decent screen coverage without scaling whilst having space at the side(s) of the screen for GUI widgets, etc., and if you really miss the screen coverage, surely you just get a larger monitor?

[TheProfosist]

The not scaling is nice especially when filtering as for higher resolutions ill find out when I get this monitor !

[itlnstln]

OK.  Got my RMA back.  I finally have 2 monitors with matching panels.  I'm putting the "odd-man-out," third monitor on my work-at-home setup.  If I need to replace even one of them at any point in time, I'm going big-ass Dell.

[TheProfosist]

Its finally preorder able as the PB278Q on newegg (which Idid indulge in) and tomshardware has a bit of info on the delay and name change.

[Matt3o]

interestingly it seems a 8-bit IPS, not a ****ty e-IPS. Unfortunately I'm not that sold about Asus QC. I'd probably go hp zr2740w or Dell U2711