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Offline newtrekemotion

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« on: Tue, 17 January 2012, 12:57:13 »
Hi everyone, I'm new around these parts. After much lurking here and a few other places, I decided to get my first mechanical keyboard with the Cherry MX Blues. I absolutely love it.

Now on to my question and the reason for this thread...

I'm looking into getting an additional keyboard for carrying with me to school, hackathons, etc. So my first requirement is obviously portability. Since I will be bringing it with me places, the Blue keyswitches are out of the question and I'll go with either Browns or Clears. I've looked at the following keyboards, but I don't know about quality etc between the different brands. My budget tops out around 110, so before anyone just says the HHKB that is way past my budget. I think the RACE would be over budget too unless the group buy that I just discovered is still open..

Noppoo Choc Mini
Race 75%
KBC Poker
Leopold Tenkeyless
PLU-87

I'd prefer something smaller like the first three, but if there are good reasons to go with one of the others then they are definite options. I like the Noppoo and the Race the best, but I don't care about NKRO over usb or backlighting. It also seems, but maybe someone can correct me, that the Clears (like in the Leopold) would be more similar to the Blues that I have and like.

So are there any quality issues that I should be aware about? Any other reasons to go with one over the others?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 17 January 2012, 14:15:14 »
I've been using a Noppoo Choc Mini (brown) when I am at university. I like the fact it has the function row and the arrow keys that aren't part of the ctr/alt/shift keys. Its a reasonable price and so far only one problem has popped up in like 4 months. I somehow damaged/bent the metal parts inside the switch (probably by tossing it about in my bag). But thats to do with the switches and not the board. The board is solid.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 17 January 2012, 14:56:55 »
I have been using the choc mini for roughly 3 months. Unfortunately somehow my function layer (media, print, home etc.) has stopped working (but hey autohotkey can solve that so it's not a massive trainsmash). However the keycaps are very nice and the board itself has a nice feel. My biggest issue actually is the spacing of the right shift and |\ as a programmer I do dislike this.

So what about also considering the CM Storm quick fire in mx brown switches?

I do think the noppoo is a good board(as I can't seem to find anything about my problem) and the leopold looks like it is good.
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Offline newtrekemotion

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 18 January 2012, 11:19:39 »
Hazeluff: Thanks for the information. Hopefully I won't have to much of an issue with the switches back and forth at Uni.

Stingrae: Glad to know that it is holding up at least somewhat well. I didn't know about the CM and I can't seem to find it with the browns for a price comparision.

Based on what you guys have said and price, I'll probably order a Noppoo in the next couple of weeks.
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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 18 January 2012, 13:03:03 »
I've been very happy with my Cherry G84-4100. I know it's not everyone's cup o' tea, but I find it to be a very nice keyboard. The Cherry ML switches feel nice and responsive.

There are a few in eBay for $40 with free shipping--you might want to experiment and see how you like 'em. Here it is on my office desk, looking cute:



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Offline iBro

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 18 January 2012, 13:34:28 »
The KBC Race is essentially the same as the Choc mini. The Poker is the smallest and most compact. It really comes down to what layout you prefer. I was in the same situation as you and since I will use my portable keyboard for typing mostly simple notes and reports, I decided that I didn't need dedicated arrow keys or a dedicated Function row; I chose the Poker. My Poker is still in the mail and should be here in a couple of days, so if you are still undecided when it arrives I will post again and try to give you a quick review.

I would really most likely stay away from the 87-TKL models like the Leopold and the PLU if you are looking for a portable keyboard. Yes, these keyboards are small but I just don't think that one would enjoy lugging them around all day, every day.


As for which switch to choose, this is a tough question. You said you like blue switches, but I don't think that any other switch gives the same feel as the blues, but without the click. I have tried browns and I can say from personal experience that I hate them. Compared to blue switches browns are mushy and barely tactile. I haven't tried clears but I see many mixed reviews about them. For these reasons I chose to order my Poker with black switches. I like the weight of my buckling spring, but I wanted to try a linear switch, so I chose black. Some people think black switches are too heavy and prefer red instead, it's just personal preference.

One quick note here. It seems kind of hard to get Pokers in red switches, another reason why I got black switches. I'm sure you could find one with red switches if you really wanted. But the Choc Mini I believe comes readily available in Red Switches if you think those will be your cup of tea. But aside from that, the Poker is a PCB mounted keyboard. This means that the keys aren't mounted to a seperate plate, like in a Leopold. Because of this it is very easy to make switch modifications. If you order one with blacks and say you think the keys are too heavy, then you just pop the tops off the switches and replace the black springs with the springs from red switches and ta da, you have ghetto reds. To my understanding ghetto reds are essentially the same thing as red switches, but with a black top. You could buy all new red switches and swap the entire switch out, but that would cost more money and time. But never-the-less there are plenty of videos that demonstrate how to modify PCB mounted switches.
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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 18 January 2012, 15:52:30 »
Quote from: newtrekemotion;493406
Hazeluff: Thanks for the information. Hopefully I won't have to much of an issue with the switches back and forth at Uni.

Stingrae: Glad to know that it is holding up at least somewhat well. I didn't know about the CM and I can't seem to find it with the browns for a price comparision.

Based on what you guys have said and price, I'll probably order a Noppoo in the next couple of weeks.

What i think happened is at some point the switch got pressed sideways cos of the ammount of eubish in my bag. This probably bent the metal inside. I did minor surgery to it yesterday and its perfectly fine now. Anyway enjoy your new keyboard when ypu get it
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Offline wwyjedi

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 18 January 2012, 22:06:29 »
does Race 75% work with mac?

Offline newtrekemotion

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 20 January 2012, 23:39:47 »
Quote from: iBro;493466
The KBC Race is essentially the same as the Choc mini. The Poker is the smallest and most compact. It really comes down to what layout you prefer. I was in the same situation as you and since I will use my portable keyboard for typing mostly simple notes and reports, I decided that I didn't need dedicated arrow keys or a dedicated Function row; I chose the Poker. My Poker is still in the mail and should be here in a couple of days, so if you are still undecided when it arrives I will post again and try to give you a quick review.

I would really most likely stay away from the 87-TKL models like the Leopold and the PLU if you are looking for a portable keyboard. Yes, these keyboards are small but I just don't think that one would enjoy lugging them around all day, every day.


As for which switch to choose, this is a tough question. You said you like blue switches, but I don't think that any other switch gives the same feel as the blues, but without the click. I have tried browns and I can say from personal experience that I hate them. Compared to blue switches browns are mushy and barely tactile. I haven't tried clears but I see many mixed reviews about them. For these reasons I chose to order my Poker with black switches. I like the weight of my buckling spring, but I wanted to try a linear switch, so I chose black. Some people think black switches are too heavy and prefer red instead, it's just personal preference.

I definitely want a tactile switch, and as such I've pretty much eliminated it down to the Noppoo with browns or the Leopold with clears. A friend of mine got a Leopold with blues and has been carrying it, which hasn't seemed too bad. So I'm back to price/quality comparisons...

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What i think happened is at some point the switch got pressed sideways cos of the ammount of eubish in my bag. This probably bent the metal inside. I did minor surgery to it yesterday and its perfectly fine now. Anyway enjoy your new keyboard when ypu get it

Hmm well glad it is working for you now.

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I've been very happy with my Cherry G84-4100. I know it's not everyone's cup o' tea, but I find it to be a very nice keyboard. The Cherry ML switches feel nice and responsive.

There are a few in eBay for $40 with free shipping--you might want to experiment and see how you like 'em. Here it is on my office desk, looking cute:

:becky:

I hadn't considered this at all. I thought the ML switches were linear? 40 dollars is an extremely temping price though.
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 21 January 2012, 00:05:46 »
They're linear, but are nicely tactile. There's a company in eBay that have a few for $19.99, with free shipping!

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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 21 January 2012, 00:05:59 »
Have you considered the Pure? Very similar to the Poker.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?26307-Pure-LED-version-With-Aluminum-case

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 21 January 2012, 09:48:44 »
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They're linear, but are nicely tactile.
They can't be linear and tactile at the same time. (hint: they're not linear)

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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 21 January 2012, 13:52:12 »
Sorry, half-drunk post! :-D

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Offline newtrekemotion

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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 23 January 2012, 18:54:48 »
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Have you considered the Pure? Very similar to the Poker.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?26307-Pure-LED-version-With-Aluminum-case

I've looked at the Pure and the aluminum case seems really nice, but I've basically scratched it and the Poker off my list due to the layout.

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They can't be linear and tactile at the same time. (hint: they're not linear)

Thank you. The wiki is a bit lacking on the ML switches. I suppose I'll have to add them to my consideratoin, though it seems like the G84-410X keyboards move very fluidly on eBay.
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 24 January 2012, 08:06:03 »
I happen to like the ML's a lot, but like anything, it's personal preference. The cool thing is that you can try them out for cheap.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 24 January 2012, 09:52:43 »
My first G84-4100 costed me about 60+ euro and was still worth it. The following I got quite cheap.