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« on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 04:34:32 »
So yesterday I received the Unicomp Classic I ordered. Now, I already own several original Model M's and the main reason for ordering the Unicomp was based on the thinking that if the build quality was similar enough between the two that it would really be nice to type on the equivalent of a brand new Model M with brand new buckling springs. I had been holding out hope that the differences between the Unicomp and original M's would be somewhat negligible. However, after spending a bit of time with the new arrival I have to say that anyone who tells you they're basically one and the same is either lying, confused or has never owned an original Model M, in my opinion.

Firstly, there's no denying the weight discrepancy between the two. The Unicomp no doubt weighs less. How much so? Well, for starters, I can pick up the Unicomp off the table holding one side with one hand. It's not effortless but that's the difference between the Unicomp and an original Model M; the M requires far more effort to perform the same action. In fact, it's rather difficult.

And the plastic itself? While the Unicomp feels relatively weighty and sturdy compared to generic keyboards, compared to the original Model M it feels somewhat flimsy to me, as the original M has a very inflexible (and hard) outer shell that doesn't amend itself to bending. When I've tried bending the case of an original M, to me it feels as though it might crack before bending. I don't know what type of plastic was used, but it definitely has a sturdiness, hardness, and inflexibility that the Unicomp can't match, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, the Unicomp doesn't feel like rubber. Far from it, however the plastic doesn't feel nearly as dense as my original M's. In fact, you can really hear the Unicomp board creak when flexed vs the original M(which is relatively quiet).

On a positive note, when it comes to typing I like the feel of the Unicomp's keys. Key presses require a bit less force and the action feels quite nice, albeit not quite as smooth as my original M's. Still, there's something about the feel of the key presses inherent in the Unicomp that I could potentially see myself preferring slightly over my original Model M's, at least in some regard. The action seems rather balanced, although I suppose that's to be expected considering I'm comparing 20+ year old keyboards to something new.

In terms of sound, the Unicomp is nice and clicky. Compared to my original Model M's, the Unicomp exhibits far less pinging, ringing, and hollowness. In fact, comparatively speaking, the Unicomp is relatively quiet in that regard save for one or two keys. While I can't say I'm love with that metallic plonking which accompanies the keystrokes of original M's, I also can't say it necessarily gets on my nerves or drives me up a wall. You become inured to it, I suppose. However, I do tend to appreciate (and probably prefer) the lack of reverberation associated with the key presses of the Unicomp, and it's really that lack of reverberation that's most striking to my ears. In fact, it's the reverberant quality of the original M's that bothers me more than the metallic pinging itself.

So, to sum up, there are some things I like about both boards. The Unicomp is definitely different in a number of regards, although not strictly in negative ways, at least to me. If I had my way, I'd combine the weight (in connection with the steel plate) and sturdiness of the plastic associated with the original Model M with a bit of the typing action and lack of reverberation inherent in the Unicomp variant.
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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 11:42:46 »
I would say that the Unicomp is a worthy decendant of the original, and it IS a Model M.  It can stand on it's own merits, and has a definite place in the keyboard world.  It is the Model M with USB, or in different languages, with options - and mainly, it is available, brand new, as needed.  We are lucky to still have new Model M's available, and at very reasonable prices.  Much cheaper, vs the real value of money, than the originals were.

Having obtained a 2006 (as I remember) Unicomp and comparing it against a dozen other Model M's, I find it very satisfying and satisfactory.  It's build strength/quality is more than adequate (unless you want a bludgeon - then use an original IBM) and totally a non-issue as far as basic function goes.  

As for typing, if you use the full range of Model M's from the late 1980's through the Lexmarks of the middle 1990's - you will notice a gradual lightening of feel over the entire production period - which Unicomp has simply continued.   I dare say that most users who have no "Model M Time" might actually choose a new Unicomp over an original Model M in a straight, one shot comparison!  I was pleasantly surprised by my first Unicomp, after buying into the common hype that "older" and "original IBM" MUST be better.   We are dealing in a very subjective, "taste" item here, with a lot of variables.

I, for one, love my old IBMs.  But I could get along just fine if Unicomp was my only option.  TPF

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 12:58:42 »
Well said.  I find the compact versions to be even quieter than the "classic", but again I feel the differences are subtle.  The Unicomp does sound different than my old Model Ms, but I say it's subtle because it is in the context of everything else out there.  For someone who has never had one, they are much better off with a new Unicomp than taking a risk on a used Model M.  Their experience will not be detracted from in any way by not buying a vintage keyboard.

Now if you have been typing on these for decades, then yeah.  Every BS keyboard I've ever had has been "different".  :)
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 13:04:59 »
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I would say that the Unicomp is a worthy decendant of the original, and it IS a Model M.

Obviously there's something different about the Unicomp variants (in terms of weight, feel and sound) vs. the original Model M's, that much is certain. While I don't consider it an exact clone of the original Model M, it's a decent replica.

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It can stand on it's own merits, and has a definite place in the keyboard world.

I agree.

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It is the Model M with USB

Again, I'd consider it a decent replica with USB, however I do believe if you were to affix the original IBM LED indicator graphics and logo onto a Unicomp Classic, set it side by side against an original IBM Model M from the 80's, perform a blind taste test with someone who wasn't familiar with either of them and ask which they preferred, I'd wager the original Model M would come out on top.

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in different languages, with options - and mainly, it is available, brand new, as needed.

I agree.

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Much cheaper, vs the real value of money, than the originals were.

In my opinion, the original M's are still worth every penny and I'd bet if users had a choice between purchasing a new, original Model M and a new Unicomp they'd likely fork over the cash and opt for an original, but that's just my opinion.

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I dare say that most users who have no "Model M Time" might actually choose a new Unicomp over an original Model M in a straight, one shot comparison!

This I strongly disagree with.

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I was pleasantly surprised by my first Unicomp, after buying into the common hype that "older" and "original IBM" MUST be better.   We are dealing in a very subjective, "taste" item here, with a lot of variables.

Of course, indeed it often comes down to taste, although that doesn't stop one brand from becoming more popular than others.

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I, for one, love my old IBMs.  But I could get along just fine if Unicomp was my only option.

Well, if that's all that were available then of course I'd take it, but fortunately there's a plentiful supply of used original M's to be had.
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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 14:20:15 »
My Unicomp Spacesaver 104 weighs in at 3lb 6oz. My '92 M weighs in at 4lb 8oz. Yeah there's a difference, but I can still pick up both one handed.

I think the overall shape and texture of the plastics contribute greatly to the feel that you get from it. My Unicomp has a very fine bumpy texture, whereas the M has an almost eggshell texture. The shape of the M with it's hard edges and contours probably contributes to it's rigidity more than the actual plastic itself, in my experience.
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 15:30:46 »
We're talking Model M's here.  It's 1984 and 7/32" hex screws are all the rage.
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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 15:59:24 »
Ripster, Metric is a bogus system - anything proposed or run by the French is automatically suspect.  The inch/yard/mile system is found in the Pyramids - and actually relates to the earth's prime measurements - which makes for a great, interesting mystery.  TPF

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 16:26:10 »
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The shape of the M with it's hard edges and contours probably contributes to it's rigidity more than the actual plastic itself, in my experience.

This might be true if it weren't for the fact that, in my case, the Unicomp Classic I was referring to in the OP has the exact same contours, edges and dimensions as my original M's.
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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 16:41:54 »
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This might be true if it weren't for the fact that, in my case, the Unicomp Classic I was referring to in the OP has the exact same contours, edges and dimensions as my original M's.


Touche.

And I WOULD be using metric (Aka "proper") weight measurements if this postal scale wasn't made in the U.S., where all measurements are based solely on systems that makes no sense.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:14:03 »
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Nah, 5.5mm IS the better fit.

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Also see this thread.
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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:24:34 »
strap a weight to your unicomp if you care about how much it weighs
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:32:09 »
I'm still on the fence about you.  I am a noob, afterall.  You are one of those Internet forum veteran member aberrations.
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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:40:56 »
Every forum seems to have one or two.  Keeps things interesting.
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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:51:38 »
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strap a weight to your unicomp if you care about how much it weighs


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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:55:18 »
it sounds like you like the unicomp keyboard in every way except for the things that don't matter. maybe if you were going to hammer nails with your keyboard then weight and plastic hardness would matter.
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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 17:59:23 »
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it sounds like you like the unicomp keyboard in every way except for the things that don't matter. maybe if you were going to hammer nails with your keyboard then weight and plastic hardness would matter.

What "matters" is entirely subjective. To me, weight is indicative of sturdiness. Personally, I prefer a keyboard that doesn't move around easily. If you don't care about weight, that's your prerogative.
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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 19:05:18 »
I have a bunch of that sound deadener for car interiors.  That would both add weight and probably quell some of the high pitch reverberation.  I don't care enough to try it, but if it bothers you....
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 19:36:41 »
As far as sturdiness goes, I think it's more then suitable that the Unicomp Classic can outlast any other modern produced keyboard in structure. Anyone that's seen my Ultra Classic has said, "Wow, why is it so big?" (Please don't quote me on this phrase).
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 19:38:23 »
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I have a bunch of that sound deadener for car interiors.  That would both add weight and probably quell some of the high pitch reverberation.  I don't care enough to try it, but if it bothers you....

I actually have some extra acoustic foam left over from my studio, but after dismantling one of my Model M's and applying it directly to the steel plate (separated from the case) it didn't make a noticeable difference in the level of reverberation. Personally, I think the floss method is probably the most effective at quailing reverberation, however in order to lower it to levels matching that of the Unicomp one has to apply so much floss that it also deadens the high end of the click to an undesirable degree for me. I did find that spring rattle can be eliminated by adding a minute amount.
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 19:41:31 »
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As far as sturdiness goes, I think it's more then suitable that the Unicomp Classic can outlast any other modern produced keyboard in structure. Anyone that's seen my Ultra Classic has said, "Wow, why is so big?" (Please don't quote me on this phrase).

As mentioned in the OP, while I think the Unicomp feels weighty and sturdy compared to generic keyboards, compared to the original Model M's it feels somewhat flimsy, in my opinion.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 20:04:32 »
I wouldn't expect it to quiet the overall noise, but it might remove the "hollowness" that the Unicomp has.  There are a lot of things hitting other things when you press a key on these things.  The spring smacking the wall of the guide and ringing, the hammer hitting the membrane and backplate, and keycap bottoming outside the base of the guide.  Since putting a bit of grease or string in the spring makes such a huge difference, I've assumed that most of the noise comes from the springs themselves.
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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 20:30:44 »
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I wouldn't expect it to quiet the overall noise, but it might remove the "hollowness" that the Unicomp has.

It's the reverberation (hollowness) of the Model M that tends to bother me. I'm fairly satisfied with the sound quality of the Unicomp.

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There are a lot of things hitting other things when you press a key on these things.  The spring smacking the wall of the guide and ringing, the hammer hitting the membrane and backplate, and keycap bottoming outside the base of the guide.  Since putting a bit of grease or string in the spring makes such a huge difference, I've assumed that most of the noise comes from the springs themselves.

I agree to some extent, although I tend to think it's the vibration of the spring within the housing of the wall in conjunction with the steel plate (which amplifies it) that causes the reverberation (hollowness) that most people refer to. The Unicomp is relatively silent in this regard compared to the Model M, in my opinion.
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 20:51:49 »
Fair enough.  Yes the back plate acts as a sort of sound board (a la Piano).  Given the direction of this thread and the fact that I just posted in an audio-rated thread, I starting to forget what forum I am on, lol.
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 22:38:23 »
You sure like that metaphor.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 23:24:46 »
Old is best NO MATTER WHAT
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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 23:36:27 »
ok grandpa
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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 23:52:06 »
But old won't let me get a high Windows Performance Score.

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This thread has forced me to start window shopping for a Model M since I honestly won't ever know which is better by speculation and subjectivity.
I wish I could try one locally though. Needs to be more keyboard listings on Craigslist.
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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 11:22:30 »
Perhaps, to get the best of both, buy a great condition IBM Model M and perform a bolt mod, replacing all the springs with new Unicomp ones. I also have a preference for the newer model M typing feel compared to the older model Ms.
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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 03:36:15 »
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Perhaps, to get the best of both, buy a great condition IBM Model M and perform a bolt mod, replacing all the springs with new Unicomp ones. I also have a preference for the newer model M typing feel compared to the older model Ms.


For $30 Unicomp will refurbish any Model M.
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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 09:42:54 »
That is interesting. I never ran across that fact before.

What does "refurbishing" include?
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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 14:34:14 »
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They basically just swap in the main shell and do a quick wipedown of the shell.

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The guy I spoke to at Unicomp a couple of weeks ago (regarding some loose springs on one of my original Model M's) said they basically swap out defective parts (springs, keys, components) as needed for $30. Obviously I'd have little interest in a straight shell swap (of a vintage M) over a loose spring or two.
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 15:11:05 »
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Whoops.  I wrote that wrong.  Main MODULE is what I meant to say.

NOW you can vote for me.

You can specify what you need, although he explained that they still charge a flat fee ($30) no matter how small the job(even a simple spring swap).
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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 19 February 2012, 15:18:07 »
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Interesting.  I'd just get the whole main module then.  I have little sentimental attachment to Model M innards, just my own.

In my case, I have an M that feels just right to type on with the exception of a single loose spring(less crisp and snap than the other keys).
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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 03:37:03 »
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F3 "ChopstickOdeath" in my sig.

I'm familiar but not prepared to try it without practicing on a junk Model M.
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Unicomp Classic vs. Original Model M
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 20 February 2012, 09:04:09 »
Hey there. I have to say I agree with you. I own an M and two Unicomps — a SpaceSaver and Customizer. I prefer the SpaceSaver over the Customizer slightly and both over the M in terms of the way the keys feel and respond. The sound is also better. The Customizer is a little more gravelly and the SpaceSaver is a bit crisper. I use the SpaceSaver as my daily KB.
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Offline Roguemaster8

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Unicomp Classic vs. Original Model M
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 26 March 2012, 23:09:16 »
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LOL, well this blows.  I was thinking of getting a Wild Cats edition Unicomp (Customizer based) now you're making me think I should get a spacesaver.

It really wouldn't be that much of a difference. To tell the truth, if I could buy a Unicomp all over again, I would have gone with the Wildcats due to price.
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Unicomp Classic vs. Original Model M
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 27 March 2012, 01:46:56 »
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Much cheaper, vs the real value of money, than the originals were.

In my opinion, the original M's are still worth every penny and I'd bet if users had a choice between purchasing a new, original Model M and a new Unicomp they'd likely fork over the cash and opt for an original, but that's just my opinion.

I think you’re missing what ThinkPad Fan meant: he didn’t mean the Unicomps were cheaper compared to the current selling price of vintage Model Ms: he meant they were cheaper *in real terms* than they were new. I don’t know offhand how much the IBMs cost new, but assuming they both cost $100 at time of purchase then the Unicomp only costs half as much new as the original did. *That’s* the important thing to remember when comparing old with new. *Unicomp could make a their keyboards just as sturdy as the originals, but only at twice the dollar cost. Most people think $100 is insane for a keyboard, and even a lot of keyboard geeks would balk at paying $200 for one. (It’s also worth noting that I haven’t factored in the economies of scale savings from which IBM benefitted and Unicomp do not.)


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it sounds like you like the unicomp keyboard in every way except for the things that don't matter. maybe if you were going to hammer nails with your keyboard then weight and plastic hardness would matter.

Agreed. Having a keyboard built like a tank is nice, but it’s hardly essential. Like all technologies beloved of geeks, minor differences and flaws are obsessed over and blown way out of proportion.

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You can specify what you need, although he explained that they still charge a flat fee ($30) no matter how small the job(even a simple spring swap).

It’s a simple job, in that it’s not technically demanding, but it is time-consuming to remove 100+ keycaps, remove the springs, clean the posts, replace with new springs, and reseat the caps. In light of the labour involved and the fact it includes the new springs, $30 is an absolute steal.