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Offline xibeca

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« on: Tue, 21 February 2012, 09:51:41 »
So I finally got my filco majestouch 2 tkl, and so far I've noticed a little ping noise on the left shift button, it's like a metal sound. I guess this is what everybody calls a ping sound. I don't know if it's me, or if its really a problem, but seems to happen only with that button, the other ones like enter, backspace and the other shift just seem to make more noise than the regular keys but not the same as the left shift. Should I care too much about this? It's obviously a key that I use alot. This is my first mechanical  keyboard but I'm the kind of person that If I buy something that is really expensive, I want it to be perfect. I don't even know what do I gotta do to send this keyboard back if this is actually a big problem.

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 21 February 2012, 20:47:45 »
It's funny but now I think the ping is on the right shift, not the left one, although I still think the left makes more noise on the switch or something.. Anyway here's what I have recorded, first one is left shift, and the right one comes after 0.38. I guess you won't find anything weird on the left one, but I'm pretty sure you will hear the ping clearly on the right one at 1.04, more or less..

Hope you can give some help on this, I don't know if I recorded this the right way, hope it helps. Thanks.


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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 02:49:32 »
Stop thinking about it and you won't even notice.
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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:03:15 »
I just got my tkl yellow edition filco today and I would prefer not to read threads about ping because I WILL obsess over finding out if mine pings or not. Oh god, I'm already checking...
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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:32:13 »
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:44:41 »
Quote from: Awful;521619
I just got my tkl yellow edition filco today and I would prefer not to read threads about ping because I WILL obsess over finding out if mine pings or not. Oh god, I'm already checking...


they all ping.

don't look for it, and your life will be much easier.

It is funny how people think it is some sort of defect.
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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:46:47 »
Yeah I knew about the ping before I bought it. I was obviously kidding by my post :-\
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:48:46 »
My "A" pings so I stopped using it.
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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:50:12 »
sorry guys I am new and I have been reading a lot of these threads and I already read a lot about ping. Although I do not own a filco board. I have read some where that mine is sort of like a cloned filco. I am using cmstorm qfr.

I'd like to know more about this ping. I read that all these mechanical switches ping in someway? -- did i understand it correctly? I am trying to find a ping in my keyboard and I cant seem to find it.

I also don't quite understand all the discussion about this ping. When I buy keyboards I test it and if I notice something I don't like, for example a blue key that doesn't 'click' as loudly as the other mx blue switches, then I'd ask the shop keeper to give me different keyboard. Although I do think it'd be a problem if you purchased the keyboard online or if you had the keyboard shipped - that would be a hassle to handle since the company might ask you to return it at your expense(i am not sure but if that's the case i think that's a bit unfair - best they send a return label)
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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 03:55:21 »
I have a Leopold and it pings a bit here and there; sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it does. I think its just something mechanical keyboards can do from time to time and it in no way represents a major, and in many ways minor, defect on your keyboard. Often times it is more of a mental annoyance than anything and in my experience once it is embraced it goes away or just stops bothering the user.
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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:05:39 »
I am also thinking that the ping may go away eventually over-time and frequent use? Of course I do not know for sure as I have never experienced it but maybe it is like the sharp and hard edges of the moving parts of the switch.... the hard edges rub and 'snap' but then over time it softens up?
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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:08:22 »
Quote from: shogrran;521642
I am also thinking that the ping may go away eventually over-time and frequent use? Of course I do not know for sure as I have never experienced it but maybe it is like the sharp and hard edges of the moving parts of the switch.... the hard edges rub and 'snap' but then over time it softens up?

I honestly do not know what exactly the reasoning behind ping is but I can tell you that while my "a" used to ping every time on every press it now no longer does it. I hadn't really thought about it intently until just now and after testing it I do not have any ping.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:13:11 »
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I honestly do not know what exactly the reasoning behind ping is but I can tell you that while my "a" used to ping every time on every press it now no longer does it. I hadn't really thought about it intently until just now and after testing it I do not have any ping.

See that is what I was thinking about. Maybe its like when I first got an mxbrown keyboard. The switches felt a lot harder. Now the switches are softer and easier to press and I could barely feel the tactile bump as I press a key. Maybe its just because it's new...
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:23:24 »
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I'd like to know more about this ping. I read that all these mechanical switches ping in someway? -- did i understand it correctly? I am trying to find a ping in my keyboard and I cant seem to find it.

Don't bother. I bought my first mech board reading no more than a couple threads on geekhack and I was a happy mech board owner. All I looked for at the time as what switch was better for me and which board looked more awesome to me.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:34:10 »
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Don't bother. I bought my first mech board reading no more than a couple threads on geekhack and I was a happy mech board owner. All I looked for at the time as what switch was better for me and which board looked more awesome to me.

Hmmm well I won' really mind finding a ping or two in the switches. I have found other mechanical sounds that is different in some of my keys but really I can't find a ping. All I hear is just a soft friction of plastic on plastic.

For knowledge's sake I'd really like to probably find a keyboard with a ping :D hopefully in another person's keyboard hahaha.
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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 04:48:14 »
No need to try so hard. It's like learning about lossy audio compression, actively learning what artifacts sound like, then forever be annoyed at hearing them (also end up spending too much money on audiophile equipment). If people are happy with Apple white buds, why ruin their enjoyment?

In a way, be reassured by your ignorance. I can safely say that I'm also ignorant on this particular matter and can't hear a damn difference.
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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 09:07:42 »
So I guess all of them have the same problem. I'll just try to get used to it, I don't think it will be that hard. :)

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 09:58:53 »
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Why don't you post in KeyboardLover's subforum and get a second opinion?

He might be here on this thread soon, I just pm him.. although I think I didn't really needed to since he will probably think the same as all of you. :)

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 12:22:57 »
I'll listen to your sound clip tonight and let you know what I think.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 12:26:32 »
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He might be here on this thread soon, I just pm him.. although I think I didn't really needed to since he will probably think the same as all of you. :)

no, KL is a ping advocate
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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 12:51:37 »
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no, KL is a ping advocate

What does that even mean?

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 14:02:24 »
You say Ping, I say **** you.
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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 16:19:07 »
Te gusta las pingas?
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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 16:46:52 »
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http://www.ziddu.com/viewfile/18668225/filcoclicking.wma.html


Clicked this link and got some kind of spam. Can you provide a real sound sample?

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:39:43 »
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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:41:14 »
[video]://..com/viewfile/18668225/filcoclicking..[/video]

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 19:18:23 »
I don't have a bic pen. But I do have other clicky pens like pilot, they still don't ping for me... they just 'click'
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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 20:33:35 »
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Clicked this link and got some kind of spam. Can you provide a real sound sample?

That website allows you to play the sound clip without downloading it, but if you preffer I can just upload it as a regular file in some other place.
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 00:48:53 »
ping!

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 01:58:32 »
I think most filcos ping. It comes down to how sensitive your ears are so IMO it's subjective and not as bad as some people will lead you to believe
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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 08:41:17 »
I agree that many filcos ping. I owned 2 with no ping at all. I also owned one with browns that had a serious ringing issue. Your mileage may vary.

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:22:30 »
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Ring=Ping.

Wrong. Yet another reason you're not #1.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:34:50 »
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Wrong.


Explain this one.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 13:48:01 »
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Explain this one.

Already did.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 15:43:28 »
ping
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 16:50:09 »
ping bong!*
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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 17:21:21 »
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This would be a more fun thread if Redpill showed up.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18739-Have-you-experienced-the-Filco-quot-ping-quot-noise&p=376537&viewfull=1#post376537

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 18:59:02 »
Search isn't helping. All I got was ping and ring used interchangeably.

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 19:07:57 »
Yeah. Way too much arguing and, erm, prolific posting.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 12:03:24 »
Without giving a FXXK about keyboard ping or ring, here is the difference between the two.

ring is a continuous (or of longer duration) pure tone like sound.

ping is more of a short burst of ringing quality (pure tone) sound.

They are closely related.
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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 12:48:18 »
Ping and ring are VERY closely related. It's the exact same sound (originating from the switch springs), only some switches have a longer sustain than the others. Filcos are very solidly built, so like a good guitar, tend to have a long sustain sometimes :-)

BTW almost all mech keyboards ping to some extent if you try. I get some ping from all my mech keyboards, and a couple of them (one of my Kinesis Advantage and an IBM mini's) ring, ie the ping sound lasts long, so when you type hard, the sound never has a chance to completely die down, producing a ringing effect.
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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 13:31:39 »
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Sound samples or it didn't happen.

And if both are pure tones why the difference in nomenclature?

Onomatopoeia is onomatopoeia.
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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 13:36:33 »
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I still consider ring and ping to be the same thing.

Indeed they are the same thing. BTW my ALPSulator pings so hard, it produces a ringing effect:
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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 13:37:36 »
Quote from: ripster;524401
Sound samples or it didn't happen.

And if both are pure tones why the difference in nomenclature?

Onomatopoeia is onomatopoeia.

some nomenclatures aren't very technical but purely descriptive basing on the common auditory perceptions.

I do believe the noise people are calling ping OR ring are of the same source and  mechanism. So in that respect, rip, we are on the same page.
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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 14:13:55 »
Without being too technical, here are some definitions from the dictionary for those who still can't get their head around the difference between ping and ring:

Ring:
- a clear resonant sound made by or resembling that made by vibrating metal
- resonant tone : sonority
- a loud sound continued, repeated, or reverberated

Ping:
- a sharp sound like that of a striking bullet

Origin of PING:
imitative
First Known Use: 1835

You can see that the definitions are rather quite subjective and qualitative, but the key is the sound duration. Ring is longer in duration while ping is shorter. The problem is then how long is long to call it a ringing sound? how short is short to making a pinging sound? That would be up to the individuals. In the end, people may be talking about the exact same thing just with different standards of perceiving the sound.
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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 14:20:33 »
You'd think a self-proclaimed #1 expert would know how to read the dictionary.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 14:46:25 »
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You'd think a self-proclaimed #1 expert would know how to read the dictionary.

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 16:12:32 »
ya srsly don't think keyboard ping is ever a topic worth discussing too much about.
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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 24 February 2012, 18:10:52 »
Thanks ripster for posting the clip better than I did, didn't really knew how to..

Well I got the idea of the whole thing, closing thread now. Thanks everyone who posted.