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Offline Av180

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« on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 11:27:48 »
I have narrowed my mechanical keyboard purchase down to these two choices.
Leopold - FC500RT/ABN (Otaku Brown Full Keyboard) http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,fullsize&pid=fc500rtabn
or
WASD V1 104-Key Semi-Custom Mechanical Keyboard (Brown Full Keyboard) http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/semi-custom-keyboard/wasd-v1-semi-custom-mechanical-keyboard.html

WASD has customizable features, you can add the WASD keys and Esc key in red for no price. But it $10 more expensive than the leopold.
Leopold doesn't have customizable features, but I can buy the esc key and wasd keys for about $10 making them equal in price.

It comes down to the overall feedback and quality of the board. Im leaning towards the leopold, but I have also heard great things from WASD keyboards. I cannot buy a Filco because it is too expensive to buy and ship the keyboard all the way to Canada. But I will buy a keyboard as soon as I can get a job :p (only 14 :l)

Any last minute comments before I choose leopold? I heard they compare to the Filcos but so do WASD?

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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 11:36:44 »
DOOD Get a CM Storm Quickfire Rapid, Filco Quality but a BARGAIN PRICE! GGNORE

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 11:39:17 »
I have decided on not getting the CM Storm, I would like to get the Leopold or the WASD. Leaning towards the leopold more, just need an opinion from someone from GH. I read a review on overclock.net saying how the Leopold is filco quality as well. Elitekeyboards is also a great site for keyboards and keycaps. But Wasdkb has fully customizable options.


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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 11:46:48 »
IIRC Wasd has costar stabilizers and Leopolds have cherry stabilizers. and Costar > Cherry for most people.
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 21:21:49 »
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I have decided on not getting the CM Storm, I would like to get the Leopold or the WASD. Leaning towards the leopold more, just need an opinion from someone from GH. I read a review on overclock.net saying how the Leopold is around or "on par" with filco quality as well. Elitekeyboards is also a great site for keyboards and keycaps. But Wasdkb has fully customizable options.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 22:10:35 »
Loving my WASD board. If you're concerned about quality, I hear leopold is on par with Filco but WASD is from same manufacturer?, and plus they hand tweak everything for you. Plus they've got sick customer service
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 25 February 2012, 22:28:59 »
I'd have a WASD over this Filco right meow if they had a tkl.
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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:15:23 »
Besides ABS plastic which some people don't like, I'd say WASD all the way. I love my WASD to no end, and cannot wait for the tenkeyless to become available! Not to mention, their costumer service is absolutely top notch.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:33:01 »
WASD

from a Leo owner.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:44:22 »
If you want something similar in quality and feel to a Filco, get a WASD. It's probably the most sensible choice for a full size board, regardless of price. A Leo will feel inferior, due to its stabilizers making the big keys feel and sound like they have some kind of dampener under them.
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Offline Av180

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 07:56:59 »
I think I want a Leopold TKL Otaku in brown. Im feeling discouraged now because you keep saying WASD like its WAY better than Leopold. If Leopold is very similar or on par with the quality of Filcos, shouldn't Leopolds be about the same quality as WASD? I really want Leopold, and I don't know what's stopping me from buying one at this point.


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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:14:35 »
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I think I want a Leopold TKL Otaku in brown. Im feeling discouraged now because you keep saying WASD like its WAY better than Leopold. If Leopold is very similar or on par with the quality of Filcos, shouldn't Leopolds be about the same quality as WASD? I really want Leopold, and I don't know what's stopping me from buying one at this point.

You want fullsize or TKL actually? If fullsize then WASD, if TKL then Leopold or CM Storm(whichever available/cheaper)
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:16:47 by Human »

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:19:46 »
So leopold is still a great company. Becuase the way these people talk, it sounds like Leopold is garbage and WASD is great. I want TKL Brown. So Leopold im guessing.


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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:32:03 »
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So leopold is still a great company. Becuase the way these people talk, it sounds like Leopold is garbage and WASD is great. I want TKL Brown. So Leopold im guessing.

Again if CM Storm can be get at around the same price, it should be prioritized(except if you really hate the overbranding).

Both should be great board but also having their own cons/flaws. Just that the flaw on Leopold can be quite deadly(around few % out of thousands of Leopold TKL, it is reported to had faulty controller, which is hard to be fixed without changing a new one. Though, Elitekeyboard promised to give lifetime replacement for the controller incase it broke down, IIRC...).
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:34:17 by Human »

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:37:08 »
I'm very hesitant on the CM Storm, but am willing to pay for the Leopold. Should I go with the Leopold TKL then?


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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:46:24 »
Get both then sell the one you don't want.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:54:32 »
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I'm very hesitant on the CM Storm, but am willing to pay for the Leopold. Should I go with the Leopold TKL then?

Why are you hesitant with CM's?  What's your reason?  Just curious...
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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 08:56:10 »
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Again if CM Storm can be get at around the same price, it should be prioritized(except if you really hate the overbranding).


Or if he doesn't want red/blue switches. He is mentioning Leopold w/ browns, so I'm guessing this is the case.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:17:06 »
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Or if he doesn't want red/blue switches. He is mentioning Leopold w/ browns, so I'm guessing this is the case.

read my mind.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:19:16 »
Ahh... gotcha.  

 You do know that the CM's comes in browns too yeah?  But saying that... If you have your heart set on the Leo's then go for it.  Might want to wait for the new models to come out before getting a Leo.
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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:24:28 »
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They come in browns?  Not according to the WW Shopping Wiki.


Yes according to PChome,
http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH28-A58432699&SR_NO=DCAH28&ROWNO=2&tm=u

and also my local retail stores.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:25:50 »
Im about to purchase the Leo.. thanks for advice :3


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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:28:28 »
Yeah... Last time I looked on the CM storm website they listed the Blue, Brown and Black... "Based on Region".

http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/keyboards/quickfirerapid/

Now saying that though... I'm yet to see it in Australia.  I did ask about it where I got my Red's and they have yet to get an ETA.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:29:57 »
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Im about to purchase the Leo.. thanks for advice :3

You're not going to wait for the new FC700R's?  It's their new model to replace the FC200R...
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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:48:42 »
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Yeah... Last time I looked on the CM storm website they listed the Blue, Brown and Black... "Based on Region".

http://www.cmstorm.com/en/products/keyboards/quickfirerapid/

Now saying that though... I'm yet to see it in Australia.  I did ask about it where I got my Red's and they have yet to get an ETA.


Interesting. The Main CoolerMaster page (here) doesn't list browns for NA/USA.


Ignore my comment then, if the browns are available in your region!

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:57:11 »
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Ah, Cherry Browns must be an Asia exclusive like Cherry Reds is a North America exclusive.

Not too sure about the Reds being a NA exclusive Ripster... I seem to remember the early reviews of the Reds bought from PChome had English and Chinese on the keycaps.  Hopefully, it might just be a matter of time for the Browns... It took a little longer to get the Reds in Australia though I was quite surprised that we managed to get it quite a while before you guys in the States.
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:06:30 »
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You're not going to wait for the new FC700R's?  It's their new model to replace the FC200R...

Why would he? The new ones are made in China as opposed to Taiwan. Likely not a good sign.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:09:43 »
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Does China make anything that's good?  The same applies to bicycle frames (Taiwan is superior.)

My new thick KBC dyesubs are decent. Lettering is inferior to SP though.

I'll post a more thorough comparison later in my subforum.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:11:17 »
Hmm... I think it was not too long ago when we said the same thing about things that were made in Taiwan.  I certainly remember not buying certain things in the past when I found out that it was made in Taiwan...  I think it's just a matter of perspective.

Will give you the build feedback when I get mine in early April.
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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 13:25:19 »
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I think I want a Leopold TKL Otaku in brown. Im feeling discouraged now because you keep saying WASD like its WAY better than Leopold. If Leopold is very similar or on par with the quality of Filcos, shouldn't Leopolds be about the same quality as WASD? I really want Leopold, and I don't know what's stopping me from buying one at this point.


Don't get me wrong, I love my leo, but I am disappointed with the quality of the keycaps.  I just got some WASD replacements in the mail to fix the broken ones on my tenkeyless FC200RT and I have to say that the WASD keycaps are superior (grip the key stem much tighter, less sideways flex).  All things considered, the WASD will probably be a great choice out of the box, as it comes with (surprise!) WASD keycaps right away.  HOWEVER, a full size and a tenkeyless are apples and oranges.  Also, I have never had a problem with the cherry stabilizers, except for the non-standard space bar deal.

In the end, you are buying a great product.  But, hey, if you ask a bunch of opinionated keyboard enthusiasts their opinion, expect them to be opinionated ;).

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 14:42:21 »
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Don't get me wrong, I love my leo, but I am disappointed with the quality of the keycaps.  I just got some WASD replacements in the mail to fix the broken ones on my tenkeyless FC200RT and I have to say that the WASD keycaps are superior (grip the key stem much tighter, less sideways flex).  All things considered, the WASD will probably be a great choice out of the box, as it comes with (surprise!) WASD keycaps right away.  HOWEVER, a full size and a tenkeyless are apples and oranges.  Also, I have never had a problem with the cherry stabilizers, except for the non-standard space bar deal.

In the end, you are buying a great product.  But, hey, if you ask a bunch of opinionated keyboard enthusiasts their opinion, expect them to be opinionated ;).


How tight should they be? And what is "flex"?

A lot of customers have mentioned liking the Leopold keycaps over Costar because of a bit more texture and more thickness than Costar, so they don't resonate with such a high pitched tinny sound; and I confer:) The only thing I don't like about the Leopold caps is the nubs in F an J aren't very pronounced.

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 15:37:05 »
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How tight should they be? And what is "flex"?

A lot of customers have mentioned liking the Leopold keycaps over Costar because of a bit more texture and more thickness than Costar, so they don't resonate with such a high pitched tinny sound; and I confer:) The only thing I don't like about the Leopold caps is the nubs in F an J aren't very pronounced.

See?  I knew I was going to cause friction.  I estimate tight is tight enough to not fall out of the board when I invert it to dust it out, or to pop out when I dust it, or to develop cracks in the stem holding it to the switch.  Sideways flex I only notice when playing games (in the WASD cluster, or any other switch that is held down when playing).

I can't speak to the tinny noise at the moment - also I am a firm nonbeliever in "ping" or "ring" or any other annoyance at keyboard sound.  I do agree about the nubs.

Just remember, I am not an expert, your mileage may vary, this is all anecdote, my experience should be weighed against the majority, Elite Keyboards is an excellent company, I plan to spend more money there in the future.

Also, when are the new FC700s arriving? :D

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:44:08 »
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See?  I knew I was going to cause friction.  I estimate tight is tight enough to not fall out of the board when I invert it to dust it out, or to pop out when I dust it, or to develop cracks in the stem holding it to the switch.  Sideways flex I only notice when playing games (in the WASD cluster, or any other switch that is held down when playing).

I can't speak to the tinny noise at the moment - also I am a firm nonbeliever in "ping" or "ring" or any other annoyance at keyboard sound.  I do agree about the nubs.

Just remember, I am not an expert, your mileage may vary, this is all anecdote, my experience should be weighed against the majority, Elite Keyboards is an excellent company, I plan to spend more money there in the future.

Also, when are the new FC700s arriving? :D

Haha, you're not causing friction at all. I'm just always trying to put my finger on what criteria are most important to customers. If keycaps are popping off easily or cracking, then they are defective. The mounts on Leo caps are designed a little looser than Costar, but we're talking fractions of a millimeter that only change the force required to remove the keycap. So neither keycap type will shift or lean off the keystem before the keystem itself starts to skew inside the switch housing. If a keycap is popping off or has cracked mounts, they're either defective or damaged.

I think the "flex" you speak of isn't really happening. In addition to the mount-keystem friction, the cross shaped keystem design of Cherry MX mounts won't allow mount-tilt in any direction unless the mount is horribly cracked or the entire internal length of the mount is over-sized to the point of zero friction (and even then...). This is one of the reasons why the Cherry stem has stood the test of time while so many other keystem designs have come and gone. My best guess is that the sharper edges of Costar keycaps create a greater perception of hardness when you're pressing the keys rapidly because the keycap edge would be more apparent with less applied force; I.E. the same quantitative "perception" of the keycap digging into your finger for the Costar might be at 35cN of force whereas with Leopold it might be at 38cN. More force means the keystem could skew or lean more inside the switch casing, but the keycap mount itself isn't moving. (This, and the addition of that nasty coating, is one of the reasons I attribute to some people's opinions that FILCOs "feel" solider than other keyboards; a manifestation of their perception rather than actual material or build quality.) Whether we realize it or not, our fingertips can recognize surface variation as little as 0.001mm; but those same nerve endings do adjust to change over time, so the next thing you know, someone will opine that the softer edges on the Leopold caps are more comfortable to type on for long periods of time. So, I can't say which keycap is a superior design, but I won't say that fractions of a millimeter don't matter. They do.

No plans for the FC700s at this time, but thanks for your support!

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 17:49:07 »
elitekeyboards sorry for the off topic question, but since you are reading this thread, can you please post the durometer and thickness of both the black and gray soft-landing pads here?

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