Can anyone in the US convert an ISO enter to ANSI enter?

[BiNiaRiS]

I see this mod all over the place on OTD but I've never seen anyone in the US do it. I'm talking about drilling holes in the PCB and rewiring the back of it.

If there's anyone in the US that can do this or knows how to do it, I would be interested in contracting you

[shawn o]

What is OTD? Older than DOS?

[thegunner100]

Have you tried asking TheProfosist about modding it for you?

[Datamancer]

I see this mod all over the place on OTD but I've never seen anyone in the US do it. I'm talking about drilling holes in the PCB and rewiring the back of it.

If there's anyone in the US that can do this or knows how to do it, I would be interested in contracting you

How does that work exactly? There's an extra key in the way, next to the Enter, isn't there?

-~D~-

[BiNiaRiS]

Here's a thread about it on deskthority:

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=155

It's not something i'm comfortable doing myself. I do know that is someone here learned how to do it, there would be more people than me interested in it.

[Datamancer]

Here's a thread about it on deskthority:

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=155

It's not something i'm comfortable doing myself. I do know that is someone here learned how to do it, there would be more people than me interested in it.

Oh ok, a TOTAL ansi mod, not just the enter.

I'm certainly familiar with the "crazy-azz project for the sake of a crazy-azz project", but even that looks like a lot of work for something that can be purchased off-the-shelf in the configuration you already want it in.

May I ask what you're trying to achieve with this? Or why you want this specific keyboard modded?

-~D~-

[Reptile]

What is OTD? Older than DOS?

Haha otd.kr Korean keyboard site

[BiNiaRiS]

Oh ok, a TOTAL ansi mod, not just the enter.

I'm certainly familiar with the "crazy-azz project for the sake of a crazy-azz project", but even that looks like a lot of work for something that can be purchased off-the-shelf in the configuration you already want it in.

May I ask what you're trying to achieve with this? Or why you want this specific keyboard modded?

-~D~-

There are a few boards that came in US layouts but with ISO enters which I can't stand which was the goal of this for me at this time. I'm only looking for the ENTER to be changed, not the left shift or anything else.

There are also some boards rare enough, like the G80-5000 where you might never find the layout that you want and it's worthwhile to do the mod.

[pitashen]

crazy koreans

[Jim66]

There are a few boards that came in US layouts but with ISO enters which I can't stand which was the goal of this for me at this time. I'm only looking for the ENTER to be changed, not the left shift or anything else.

There are also some boards rare enough, like the G80-5000 where you might never find the layout that you want and it's worthwhile to do the mod.

Yeah, I've got an ISO 5000, it kills me everytime I look at the enter key. Instead of doing this mod, I was thinking about getting some ANSI pcbs made; I think that sixty said that it had been done before...

[Datamancer]

Ok, so you want to leave the key alone between the left shift and Z, and just swap one of the keys between L and Enter up above the enter key, like this?

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-~D~-

[Datamancer]

err wait that's a fully ISO board in my pic. Do you have a photo of the keyboard in question?
-~D~-

[Jim66]

Not exactly, the enter isn't the only problem, the key next to the Z also makes the left shift smaller, I hate hate that too.

BiNiaRiS is just talking about going from ISO to ANSI.

[BiNiaRiS]

Here's an example of what I am talking about. The pics will take forever to load:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=review&category=98749&page=10&sort_index=readed_count&order_type=desc&document_srl=115601

In the top pics the mod has already been done. The 3rd pic down shows the original layout. It's a US layout with an ISO enter...stupidest **** ever, haha.

[BiNiaRiS]

Ok, so you want to leave the key alone between the left shift and Z, and just swap one of the keys between L and Enter up above the enter key, like this?

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-~D~-

And yes, this is what I'm looking for.

[IvanIvanovich]

Like the MX8000 series layout. Cherry has done a lot of strange things. I have no idea why they thought these were a good idea at all. Cherry ANSO? I would consider giving modding one a go, if I didn't have to desolder everything and then have to put it all back. Too much work for me.

[BiNiaRiS]

Like the MX8000 series layout. Cherry has done a lot of strange things. I have no idea why they thought these were a good idea at all. Cherry ANSO? I would consider giving modding one a go, if I didn't have to desolder everything and then have to put it all back. Too much work for me.

I could probably supply a few throw-away boards for anyone that might be interested in learning how to do this. I've got at least 1 right now that I was gonna trash.

[Datamancer]

And yes, this is what I'm looking for.

Ah I see. Yeah that is a really weird configuration...kind of an ANSI/ISO hybrid. I can understand why they did it though. They were most likely trying to get away with using the same circuit board for both models. If you pop off the left shift key, there's most likely a set of unused dummy traces on the board so they can solder in an extra switch for the > < key for a fully ISO configuration. I had considered doing it for you, but that actually looks like kind of a pain. If they're panel-mounted switches, you'd have to chop out rectangular slots in the metal for the stabilizer bars and clips and everything too.

Good luck though. I'm sure there's someone out there who would be interested. It's not a super-difficult mod, just a little bit time-consuming and tedious.

-~D~-

[BiNiaRiS]

Ah I see. Yeah that is a really weird configuration...kind of an ANSI/ISO hybrid. I can understand why they did it though. They were most likely trying to get away with using the same circuit board for both models. If you pop off the left shift key, there's most likely a set of unused dummy traces on the board so they can solder in an extra switch for the > < key for a fully ISO configuration. I had considered doing it for you, but that actually looks like kind of a pain. If they're panel-mounted switches, you'd have to chop out rectangular slots in the metal for the stabilizer bars and clips and everything too.

Good luck though. I'm sure there's someone out there who would be interested. It's not a super-difficult mod, just a little bit time-consuming and tedious.

-~D~-

By panel-mounted I assume you mean plate-mounted? None of these boards are plate mounted so it's strictly changing the PCB.

And as far as I've seen, there's no extra traces or anything under the left shifts. I'll check later though.

[The_Ed]

Even a half mm off with the holes and the keycaps could touch each other. The mod would take a few hours and the tolerances are so high that a drill press would be mandatory. The rewiring would be easy after the holes were made. You may have to desolder all the switches around it to be able to work on it though.

[BiNiaRiS]

Even a half mm off with the holes and the keycaps could touch each other. The mod would take a few hours and the tolerances are so high that a drill press would be mandatory. The rewiring would be easy after the holes were made. You may have to desolder all the switches around it to be able to work on it though.

Which is why i can't do this myself. The drill press is the real key i think.

I also remember seeing some sort of plate that was made by a Korean dude that was made for drilling the holes correctly...or something to that effect.

[The_Ed]

If there is a "Korean" plate then all you would have to do is desolder the switches around "enter" and "\|" and put pins through the holes to line it up correctly. You wouldn't need a drill press to do the mod then. You should try to get one of those "Korean" plates. They have to be cheaper than a drill press right?

[sordna]

Here's a thread about it on deskthority:

http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=155

It's not something i'm comfortable doing myself. I do know that is someone here learned how to do it, there would be more people than me interested in it.

Nice article that one on Deskthority! Wish I had some of that info when I added extra switches to my keyboard, because I did have to drill for new switches. The only hole you must be VERY accurate about is the large center hole for the switch. The holes for the plastic pins (in PCB mounted switches) come next in accuracy requirements. The switch leads themselves don't require terrible accuracy since the leads are flexible. In fact, when I added switches near the middle of the keyboard on existing PCBs, I drilled some of the diode holes off center on purpose, to avoid damaging a run on the PCB. I used regular hand held drill/drivers, don't have a drill press and I don't think it's essential for this type of thing anyway.