New Keyboard Forum!

[Wibox]

I've been meaning to ask you Wibox, what does ykbds do? I see some pretty boards but have trouble following the site!

Its an imageboard. The purpose is similar to a message board- discussion. On the main site you see a truncated view of every thread. This is the first post and then the latest few posts below it. You click the view link to see the entire thread, and to reply to that thread. If you want to make a new thread you submit the form at the top while on the main page, and if you want to reply to a thread you submit the form while viewing a thread.

For an example of an active imageboard you can take a look at 4chan, although the majority of posts are trolling and humor.

[aggiejy]

NM

[Astounding]

You spam this way too much lately.

 
+1

[Astounding]

Actually, it's a venture of several geekhackers that want a KEYBOARD forum in which they can talk about KEYBOARDS with some form of moderation so we don't all have to live in fear of being trolled if we disagree. Myself and others have already contributed to the formation of this new community and I for one stand behind acfrazier and anyone else who's enthusiastic about Keyboard Science.

 
Who are you?

[noodles256]

Who are you?

better question is who are you

[Astounding]

Wilful semantic deception aside, the point, which I'm sure you (daerid) would agree with, is that individuals who are in the #geekhack or #keyboardscience IRC channel on Freenode do not have a cohesive, unified agenda by any means - as some people have (perhaps unintentionally) portrayed.

 
You can talk as eloquently as you desire, but it won't make this statement true.

[Wibox]

You can talk as eloquently as you desire, but it won't make this statement true.

I'm in the irc every day and I think this new forum idea is silly. So do others in the channel. Why don't you stop by for more than 10 minutes and see?

[Input Nirvana]

Starting a forum and having it develop, have a reputation, become established, and still be desirable takes a fair amount of planning, work, and good luck. The forum is mostly about the people that post, less the total amount of moderation/direction. Interestingly Geekhack has little if any of the moderation aspect, but it has worked due in part to the anchor members of the site that have maintained the quality and direction. Of course nothing is perfect. Since there is little moderation/direction, unfortunately there have been and will be flare ups with 30 day periods of *******s and elbows knocking each other around. It's been my experience that these "newcomers" that cause 99% of the problems, ultimately leave because they become bored, don't get the quick and easy respect they're looking for, or really are about the drama and trying to flex on the board because they can't in real life. It's a stupid guy thing. We all do it, the goal is to try and minimize it within yourself as much as possible. Otherwise you're just another prick.

So please go and start "your" forum. Make it exactly the way you want. The more the merrier! Hopefully you love it, it's everything you want it to be, crazy drama, or keyboards, or whateva. I assume your negative presence here will come to a stop (I doubt it, Geekhack is the premier keyboard site, so everyone one knows you will be checking in daily, no matter how much you deny it). You'll probably be talking about Geekhack on your site, just like kids in 6th grade...because that's exactly how you act here...like 6th graders. Who knows, with a lot of planning, work, and good luck, maybe your forum will be what Geekhack was before you got here...the best damn keyboard site in the world.

I wish you well, don't let the keyboard smack you in the ass on your way out.

[dracaXL]

Starting a forum and having it develop, have a reputation, become established, and still be desirable takes a fair amount of planning, work, and good luck. The forum is mostly about the people that post, less the total amount of moderation/direction. Interestingly Geekhack has little if any of the moderation aspect, but it has worked due in part to the anchor members of the site that have maintained the quality and direction. Of course nothing is perfect. Since there is little moderation/direction, unfortunately there have been and will be flare ups with 30 day periods of *******s and elbows knocking each other around. It's been my experience that these "newcomers" that cause 99% of the problems, ultimately leave because they become bored, don't get the quick and easy respect they're looking for, or really are about the drama and trying to flex on the board because they can't in real life. It's a stupid guy thing. We all do it, the goal is to try and minimize it within yourself as much as possible. Otherwise you're just another prick.

So please go and start "your" forum. Make it exactly the way you want. The more the merrier! Hopefully you love it, it's everything you want it to be, crazy drama, or keyboards, or whateva. I assume your negative presence here will come to a stop (I doubt it, Geekhack is the premier keyboard site, so everyone one knows you will be checking in daily, no matter how much you deny it). You'll probably be talking about Geekhack on your site, just like kids in 6th grade...because that's exactly how you act here...like 6th graders. Who knows, with a lot of planning, work, and good luck, maybe your forum will be what Geekhack was before you got here...the best damn keyboard site in the world.

I wish you well, don't let the keyboard smack you in the ass on your way out.

Ironically you're falling victim to the very 'stupid guy' mentality you're describing in this very post. How 'meta'! It's easy to spout off black and white divisions between 'old' and 'new' members, between ego and altruism and so on and so forth. It's not easy however, to refrain from making assumptions about people who choose to leave an established group _or_ coexist happily with others (as I do with deskthority, geekhack, etc). Just because it's a new forum, does not make it an alterity. It's not something to be feared or something to be put down. Hell, even iMav has said - on the IRC - that he loves new keyboard forums.  As you said, 'the more the merrier'.

[Brian]

I just want to clarify that first, me being new to this forum does not make me new to the world, new to the internet, or new to online communities. I have seen several of these types of communities fall due to infighting, and some of the most popular ones today started the very same way that Keyboard Science has started. Some members think they'd like things another way, and go off on their own to try it.

As for the drama, I saw *zero* drama concerning Keyboard Science until people here on Geek Hack started bashing it.

I am interested in Keyboard Science because the members of the IRC channel provided a great deal of helpful information. Why is it an issue that I should want to join a forum they created?

[noodles256]

in other news, i recently heard shinee's old song ring

brings back good memories

[dracaXL]

You can talk as eloquently as you desire, but it won't make this statement true.

When members of the channel are in disagreement, what more proof would you need? Please answer this question, as I would very much enjoy a good cat chase.

[Input Nirvana]

Ironically you're falling victim to the very 'stupid guy' mentality you're describing in this very post. How 'meta'! It's easy to spout off black and white divisions between 'old' and 'new' members, between ego and altruism and so on and so forth. It's not easy however, to refrain from making assumptions about people who choose to leave an established group _or_ coexist happily with others (as I do with deskthority, geekhack, etc). Just because it's a new forum, does not make it an alterity. It's not something to be feared or something to be put down. Hell, even iMav has said - on the IRC - that he loves new keyboard forums.  As you said, 'the more the merrier'.

I didn't intend to try and separate "old/new" etc, etc...or even making any assumptions about other keyboard sites.

---My frustration purely is with some people on Geekhack, not discussing the topics, acting like children fighting, and refusing to be a cohesive part of the community---

Why would I not support another keyboard site? No reason not to. I like spreading interest around. Different forums with different focus for different people. Perfect. Find the one that fits you best, everyone should do exactly that. More forums, more choices.

Not. That. Complicated.

[daerid]

First of all, despite my dislike for circular discussions of the scope and denotative limits of specific words (linguistics student here) I'm going to have to point out that having something in common, i.e. an interest in keyboards, is not equivalent to having an agenda, e.g. a desire to denigrate Ripster or a desire to edify dracaXL (please do this). Conflating the two by implying talking about keyboards is equivalent to a dislike of Ripster is, as I said before disingenuous. Correlation is not causation.

Never said it was. I was making a quaint anecdote about the frequency in which Ripster is picked on in IRC. Nothing more. I wasn't defining the group in those terms. The point I was making, is that there is something in common with those who are on IRC, namely that they are on IRC. As such, they can be classified as a group.
 

To disagree with this point is to say you are fine with the assumption that you (as part of the IRC crowd) are part of keyboardscience.org and #keyboardscience as much as #geekhack, and this site is a troll orchestrated in part by yourself? Of course not. That was the original point, not the specific definition of 'group'. The implication of HaveANiceDay's (no offence to you at all, Sir, I'm sure it was unintentional) post was that all of #geekhack created a new forum solely for the purpose of trolling (which is of course not the case).

I wasn't talking about trolling at all. I was arguing against acfrazier's assertion that the people in IRC were not a group, which I was trying to point out was technically inaccurate.

[AndrewZorn]

I must have missed a lot of drama.
Why would anyone piss off a member with 37k posts, most of which including original Lego pictures, who has essentially been the soul of this forum for some time?

[spitfire6000]

I must have missed a lot of drama.
Why would anyone piss off a member with 37k posts, most of which including original Lego pictures, who has essentially been the soul of this forum for some time?

 
Because some (very few) people are scum-buckets.

[False_Dmitry_II]

Yeah, I missed it all too.

All I've seen is the aftermath which has been showing up in plenty of threads.

This stuff plus the "mech keyboards are a scam" and "my rubber dome logitech is teh best keybard evr" type threads...

[The Solutor]

I just want to clarify that first, me being new to this forum does not make me new to the world, new to the internet, or new to online communities. I have seen several of these types of communities fall due to infighting, and some of the most popular ones today started the very same way that Keyboard Science has started. Some members think they'd like things another way, and go off on their own to try it.

 
Me too and I'm old enough to understand that, usually, bypassing a forum with an alternate media insetead of openly discussing the problems is not the best way to start, nor the most respectful way to the other users.

As for the drama, I saw *zero* drama concerning Keyboard Science until people here on Geek Hack started bashing it.

 I am interested in Keyboard Science

Usually "science" imply an open mind and discussion about facts, more than about brands, trends and so on. The way the RD argument is usually managed here has nothing to do with science, I'm really curious to see if this new forum want to address this lack of openness, even If I'm afraid that the purpose goes exactly in the opposite direction.

Why is it an issue that I should want to join a forum they created?

Because a couple of days, usuallly are not enough to understand a forum, and its own strengths or weakness.

[redpill]

Different (key)strokes for different folks.  Keyboard Science will either succeed or it won't, but I think its creation, either in this form or another, by the people involved or by others, was to some degree inevitable.  And potentially, it could be to the benefit of both that site and this one.

[Input Nirvana]

Most successful and coveted endeavors have spin offs (movies, companies, inventions, etc). Spin offs, like the predecessors, are either successful or not, usually for different reasons than the predecessor. Sometimes they compete, usually not. Increased options and diversity is always a good thing in my view. Hard to see a downside. It's cool to be a part of something that is growing, not dying.

[Brian]

...I'm really curious to see if this new forum want to address this lack of openness, even If I'm afraid that the purpose goes exactly in the opposite direction.

To what lack of openness are you referring? There's nothing that suggests Keyboard Science will quell opinion, unless that opinion is laced with derogatory, hurtful comments.

Because a couple of days, usuallly are not enough to understand a forum, and its own strengths or weakness.

I've been reading this forum for a few weeks now, and only recently decided to register. The trolltastic Logitech K120 thread, among several other threads I've read, nearly scared me away from registering on GeekHack. Frankly, now I wish I hadn't registered and had waited a couple more days to see Keyboard Science be born. Then I probably would have just registered there and left this place to continue tearing itself apart.

[daerid]

To what lack of openness are you referring? There's nothing that suggests Keyboard Science will quell opinion, unless that opinion is laced with derogatory, hurtful comments.

Who gets to decide that? It's always opinion, whether it's the one you're trying to quell, or the one that things that some comments are derogatory or hurtful. But remember, others may not see it so. That's the beauty of free speech. And here's a MIND F**K: You can IGNORE PEOPLE! Try it sometime.

I've been reading this forum for a few weeks now, and only recently decided to register. The trolltastic Logitech K120 thread, among several other threads I've read, nearly scared me away from registering on GeekHack. Frankly, now I wish I hadn't registered and had waited a couple more days to see Keyboard Science be born. Then I probably would have just registered there and left this place to continue tearing itself apart.

Then seriously, why are you here? We don't want anybody here who doesn't want to be. No need to make it a big deal. Go enjoy your other forum, if this one is so horrible.

[The Solutor]

To what lack of openness are you referring?

 
The example are endless, try to argue about calling capacitive switch a capacitive sensor, try to argue about good keyboards even if not mechanical, try to suggest anything but topre or filcos.

Most of the discussion here have nothing to do with technology, nor with science. So I'm just asking myself if the new forum is meant to have a more balanced approach or if is meant to silence the few voices out of the crowd. Given the moment the new forum is started I'm afraid the latter is more likely, but this is (obviously) just a guess.

The trolltastic Logitech K120 thread, among several other threads I've read, nearly scared me away from registering on GeekHack.

I'm afraid we found trollastic that thread for opposite reasons. Likely you are referring to the title, while I'm referring to the completely unmotivated attacs to the OP since the first reply.

BTW trollastic or not is still an useful tread, where one can compare opposite opinions, and from this POV is way more useful than the usual, pointless "I want a Filco - Good Choice !!!"

Frankly, now I wish I hadn't registered and had waited a couple more days to see Keyboard Science be born. Then I probably would have just registered there and left this place to continue tearing itself apart.

Are you aware that comparing a well known entity with a non existent one, is meaningless ? Wait 6 months and see what happen, ATM your sentence looks just unrespectful for this place, no matter how good or bad this place is.

[Input Nirvana]

Frankly, now I wish I hadn't registered and had waited a couple more days to see Keyboard Science be born. Then I probably would have just registered there and left this place to continue tearing itself apart.

 
Unregister.

You have that option here. This is not the Army. No one will prevent you, or charge you credit card for canceling.

[DesktopJinx]

Since this post isn't about keyboards, should it be moved to Off Topic?

[Brian]

Alright, I'll take the troll bait. You guys are threatened by Keyboard Science, or you wouldn't be responding to it so harshly. You are worried that users will abandon Geek Hack and go there, where you can't "speak your mind" by slandering others, and where your huge post counts here will mean nothing. Saying that this new forum will fail is just your own insecurity manifesting itself in attacks. If it does, are you going to be *happy?* Are you going to feel a sense of pride, that you "predicted" something? Are you going to be glad that "your" forum reigned "supreme?" (even though they're entirely separate forums and people can be registered on both at the same time, and Keyboard Science, whether you believe it or not, was *NOT* created to compete with Geek Hack)

I don't even know why I'm defending Keyboard Science so much. I guess because I thought it was a good idea, and went with it, and you *******s attacked it without good cause. My counterattacks against Geek Hack were mostly in defense of Keyboard Science. But frankly, YOU *******s are still here, and AREN'T on Keyboard Science. So *that's* where I want to be.

And I looked for an "Unregister" option. Can't find it. Would if I could. This is my last post. And I hope my outrage has made you all smile, proven you're "better" than me, and increased the size of your manhood.

[daerid]

Alright, I'll take the troll bait.

So will I

You guys are threatened by Keyboard Science, or you wouldn't be responding to it so harshly.

Could actually care less, honestly. Just doesn't make sense to me that somebody would stick around here if they didn't like GeekHack, unless it was to stir **** up.

You are worried that users will abandon Geek Hack and go there, where you can't "speak your mind" by slandering others, and where your huge post counts here will mean nothing.

Nope. No worries at all. See above point.

Saying that this new forum will fail is just your own insecurity manifesting itself in attacks. If it does, are you going to be *happy?* Are you going to feel a sense of pride, that you "predicted" something? Are you going to be glad that "your" forum reigned "supreme?" (even though they're entirely separate forums and people can be registered on both at the same time, and Keyboard Science, whether you believe it or not, was *NOT* created to compete with Geek Hack)

No, I'm saying it will fail based on previous observation of such behavior:
1) Users whine and complain that there's too much trolling (AKA: You hurt my feelings *wah* *wah*)
2) Users create new forum where "everything will be better" because they can moderate it and keep it on topic
3) Users creating forum have already exhibited a tendency to be unstable emotionally and react impulsively/rashly to other users' statements or behavior
4) Forum turns into a GHOST TOWN because of rampant abuse of power and regulation

I don't even know why I'm defending Keyboard Science so much. I guess because I thought it was a good idea, and went with it, and you *******s attacked it without good cause. My counterattacks against Geek Hack were mostly in defense of Keyboard Science. But frankly, YOU *******s are still here, and AREN'T on Keyboard Science. So *that's* where I want to be.

If you really didn't want anything to do with GH, and preferred KS, then you wouldn't even bother being here. Obviously you like the drama and your participation in it. If you truly, truly believed that KS was better than GH, why feel the need to defend it? Just ignore us and go have fun at KS.

And I looked for an "Unregister" option. Can't find it. Would if I could. This is my last post. And I hope my outrage has made you all smile, proven you're "better" than me, and increased the size of your manhood.

It hasn't. I can guarantee you that I, along with most of the rest of us, will forget about you... probably in a matter of hours.

But have fun at Keyboard Science. It will probably be great while it lasts.


PS: There is no "Unregister" option. It would screw things up in the database if accounts were able to be deleted (at least, that's how I understand vBulletin). I'm sure you can PM iMav though and have him lock it down with a random password so you can avoid the temptation to jump in back here and tell us that we're all douchebags and *******s.

[Astounding]

Alright, I'll take the troll bait. You guys are threatened by Keyboard Science, or you wouldn't be responding to it so harshly. You are worried that users will abandon Geek Hack and go there, where you can't "speak your mind" by slandering others, and where your huge post counts here will mean nothing. Saying that this new forum will fail is just your own insecurity manifesting itself in attacks. If it does, are you going to be *happy?* Are you going to feel a sense of pride, that you "predicted" something? Are you going to be glad that "your" forum reigned "supreme?" (even though they're entirely separate forums and people can be registered on both at the same time, and Keyboard Science, whether you believe it or not, was *NOT* created to compete with Geek Hack)

I don't even know why I'm defending Keyboard Science so much. I guess because I thought it was a good idea, and went with it, and you *******s attacked it without good cause. My counterattacks against Geek Hack were mostly in defense of Keyboard Science. But frankly, YOU *******s are still here, and AREN'T on Keyboard Science. So *that's* where I want to be.

And I looked for an "Unregister" option. Can't find it. Would if I could. This is my last post. And I hope my outrage has made you all smile, proven you're "better" than me, and increased the size of your manhood.

Goodbye whoever you are!

[Input Nirvana]

alright, i'll take the troll bait. You guys are threatened by keyboard science, or you wouldn't be responding to it so harshly. You are worried that users will abandon geek hack and go there, where you can't "speak your mind" by slandering others, and where your huge post counts here will mean nothing. Saying that this new forum will fail is just your own insecurity manifesting itself in attacks. If it does, are you going to be *happy?* are you going to feel a sense of pride, that you "predicted" something? Are you going to be glad that "your" forum reigned "supreme?" (even though they're entirely separate forums and people can be registered on both at the same time, and keyboard science, whether you believe it or not, was *not* created to compete with geek hack)

i don't even know why i'm defending keyboard science so much. I guess because i thought it was a good idea, and went with it, and you *******s attacked it without good cause. My counterattacks against geek hack were mostly in defense of keyboard science. But frankly, you *******s are still here, and aren't on keyboard science. So *that's* where i want to be.

And i looked for an "unregister" option. Can't find it. Would if i could. This is my last post. And i hope my outrage has made you all smile, proven you're "better" than me, and increased the size of your manhood.

lol

[Brian]

[daerid]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

You posting that is actually hilarious.

[Input Nirvana]

You posting that is actually hilarious.

 
Your avatar is SINISTER.

Let's talk about THAT for a while. It's a helluva lot more interesting.

[daerid]

Why thank you. I can't take credit for it though. It's a fairly common image of the Alien. I actually have it tattooed on my right forearm

[Input Nirvana]

Why thank you. I can't take credit for it though. It's a fairly common image of the Alien. I actually have it tattooed on my right forearm

I know. I have it tattooed on my ****. You never heard girls scream like that before.

[csm725]

I know. I have it tattooed on my ****. You never heard girls scream like that before.

hahahahhahaha

[Chobopants]

Drama Queen Ramblings

Leave. You posted 4 times and then continued drama and have never even touched a mechanical keyboard. Bye.

[Input Nirvana]

Leave. You posted 4 times and then continued drama and have never even touched a mechanical keyboard. Bye.

Relax, he's too busy on his knees balancing a beer on his head and sucking Alien **** to be trolling....

[Input Nirvana]

Yea, that last one is pretty nasty. lol

Interesting observation: I think I know why people just keep hammering things so mercilessly. Once you start, there are no boundaries and no particular reason to stop. I've only discovered this in the last 48 hours after dabbling in the gutter with the uber-trolls.

EDIT---I deleted that post, it was pretty bad, and crossed over and became a little too personal. I meant to say something stupid, which I did, but not make it quite so icky...which I also did.

I **** up sometimes. But I admit it and correct the behavior. Sorry to Brian and the community.

[Chobopants]

Guys.
Guys seriously.
Seriously.
Guys.

Look at this thread, and you will see why there was a need for Keyboard Science.

Dude I wish you guys the best of luck. I checked it out the first day and obviously there wasn't much there but I'll keep periodically checking back. If there's something of interest I'll totally be there! I have nothing against KS honestly. It seems...strange to me. But if you guys get up and running I'll contribute what I can in a helpful manner that hopefully doesn't get banned!

I'm just skeptical of anything that comes out of the current state of things is all. Can't help it.

[daerid]

I know. I have it tattooed on my ****. You never heard girls scream like that before.

Okay, that actually got quite a chuckle out of me Touché, sir

[Input Nirvana]

Guys.
Guys seriously.
Seriously.
Guys.

Look at this thread, and you will see why there was a need for Keyboard Science.

But...are you saying the people that were trolling and being the 'drama mamas" are the ones flocking to KS? Doesn't that sort of...you know...say something about it's future?

[Input Nirvana]

Okay, that actually got quite a chuckle out of me Touché, sir

Ba-da-SCHWING!

(drum and cymbal crash in background)

[TexasFlood]

Brian.  So you're leaving Geekhack after only 24 posts, seemingly 1/4 of that in this thread going toe to toe with those you disagree with.  Hope Keyboard Science works out better for you.  Censorship has always been frowned on here since I joined.  The price of freedom of speech is folks are going to say things you disagree with and don't like.  Not sure how that's going to be handled over at Keyboard Science but I would infer there will be more censorship given the statements that such threads will not develop there.  I personally have nothing against other forums, that would be just silly.  But honestly I haven't even been able to keep up with even Geekhack for some time.

[iMav]

They said that about Deskthority too.

Edit: And this is a quality example of why there was a need for Keyboard Science.

Guys.
Guys seriously.
Seriously.
Guys.

Look at this thread, and you will see why there was a need for Keyboard Science.

Enough.  

I'm fine with you letting folks here know about your new site.  I am NOT fine with you using geekhack (ON GH) to justify its existence.  Would you like me to hang out at KS and say things like "wow, this moderation sucks, you NEED geekhack".  

It took an incredible amount of work to build up this community.  There was nothing like it at the time (at least not English-speaking).  It was a couple of years before GH was a full-fledged community.  I am happy that new communities (like deskthority and KS) can leverage the work I have done.  But I will not stand by and watch you crap on the very shoulders you are standing on.  Have a little respect.

[Input Nirvana]

[False_Dmitry_II]

I would like to take this time to say: thank you iMav for creating this forum.

I am glad that I stumbled upon this place from a random article found through a random google search. When I arrived I promptly started reading alot of the wealth of information here (much of it in the form of Ripster made wikis) and was able to find out quite a bit that would, in all seriousness, be otherwise impossible.

I'd have been stuck with just my original acer switch board (which I still like) and the dell at101w that I bought off of ebay (which I hate in its current form). I was about to buy my model m when I came across here, but that probably would have been my last one.

Now, I am aware of all the ways that these things can be changed to make them more likeable, switch-wise as well as appearance. I have more boards than that and have had a place with which to do trades and buy stuff.

So this place has been pretty important to me over the time I have been here, and I thank you again for creating it.

[Astounding]

Long Live GH!

[Input Nirvana]

That's nice, thanking iMav like that.

I, on the other hand, need serious counseling. I feel asleep last night thinking about keyboard mods I wanted to do. I used to go to sleep thinking of girls I wanted to do.

[csm725]

I incorporate both in to one vivid (albeit 'messy') dream.
It's like this:
I get a Filco Linear R Ltd. Edition. Get Black PBT caps with Ninja lettering. Get a leather wristrest from EK. All for free from ripster as a gift of love.
Then I use said keyboard to quickly and smoothly chat up a local 'worker'. I do her (nice boobs) and wake up. New pants, brush teeth, type on miserable Filco, go to work. Repeat.

[Input Nirvana]

For what it's worth...I started working on my new neighbor this evening so I can hopefully get her to model a keyboard, any keyboard. I'll blow her away with a Kinesis Advantage at the right moment when she least expects it. She's really a looker...platinum blonde with a vicious beach tan and light blue eyes. If I succeed, there will be serious keyboard porn to distribute to you guys.