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Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« on: Mon, 06 August 2012, 19:49:00 »
Initial impressions: Feels great! Softer action than my 20 year-old Model M, but feels as precise. Much less pingy, you just get the solid buckling spring click. I don't see why people say the plastic looks cheap--it has a nice matte finish, no swirls, very solid. The key color is nicer in person than in pics--photos make it look a little harsh. I'm eager to take it to the office tomorrow! A fancy pic:



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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 06 August 2012, 19:50:52 »
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 06 August 2012, 19:51:51 »
Nice, glad I could help. The g84 you sent me is neat :)
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 06 August 2012, 23:15:34 »
I don't see why people say the plastic looks cheap--it has a nice matte finish, no swirls, very solid.

I don't think the plastic looks cheap. I think it feels cheap compared to an original Model M, though.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 01:09:51 »
I don't see why people say the plastic looks cheap--it has a nice matte finish, no swirls, very solid.

I don't think the plastic looks cheap. I think it feels cheap compared to an original Model M, though.

Anything feels cheap compared against a Model M!  :D

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 01:34:05 »
I don't see why people say the plastic looks cheap--it has a nice matte finish, no swirls, very solid.

I don't think the plastic looks cheap. I think it feels cheap compared to an original Model M, though.

Anything feels cheap compared against a Model M!  :D

I agree, however some people seem to believe there's no difference in build quality between a Unicomp board (eg. Classic) and an original Model M.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 06:16:01 »
I agree, however some people seem to believe there's no difference in build quality between a Unicomp board (eg. Classic) and an original Model M.

Saying that the plastic "feels cheap" is just a subjective impression.  (I'm not even sure what you mean, precisely.)  There are objective differences in the plastic that we can talk about.  For instance that Unicomp uses an ABS + something else mix for the shell plastic (anyone got a reference?), while the IBM model Ms were just ABS.  ABS tends to become brittle with age, so even if Unicomp manufactured their shells today with an identical formula it would still feel different.

However, I'm willing to offer my own subjective impression too.  Of all my Model Ms, my two Unicomps are my personal favourites.  I got my Ultra Classic recently, and it's exceptionally crisp and responsive.  I love it.  Unicomp competes very strongly on value and quality.  So Unicomp is not the same as the old IBM Model Ms?  Okay, but if I were forced to choose between a second-hand IBM Model M and a new Unicomp, personally I'd go for the Unicomp.

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 08:28:44 »
I agree, however some people seem to believe there's no difference in build quality between a Unicomp board (eg. Classic) and an original Model M.

Saying that the plastic "feels cheap" is just a subjective impression.  (I'm not even sure what you mean, precisely.)  There are objective differences in the plastic that we can talk about.  For instance that Unicomp uses an ABS + something else mix for the shell plastic (anyone got a reference?), while the IBM model Ms were just ABS.  ABS tends to become brittle with age, so even if Unicomp manufactured their shells today with an identical formula it would still feel different.

However, I'm willing to offer my own subjective impression too.  Of all my Model Ms, my two Unicomps are my personal favourites.  I got my Ultra Classic recently, and it's exceptionally crisp and responsive.  I love it.  Unicomp competes very strongly on value and quality.  So Unicomp is not the same as the old IBM Model Ms?  Okay, but if I were forced to choose between a second-hand IBM Model M and a new Unicomp, personally I'd go for the Unicomp.

My Unicomp Classic case has more flex to it than my Model M from 1992. Although I haven't weighed both, my Unicomp Classic also feels lighter(and I'd bet money this is objectively true). The Unicomp key caps also seem to have more flex (thinner plastic) than those on my Model M. About the only thing I really prefer about my Unicomp board is that it emits less ping. Overall, in consideration of weight, flex, and solidity, my Model M's simply feel sturdier. As such, I surmise the original Model M's will last longer. That isn't to say I don't think the Unicomp boards are a decent clone, but to me that's exactly what they are; a decent clone rather than a replica.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 08:53:51 »
The Model M Case definitely feels more sturdy than the Unicomp. Having said that, the keyboard itself--mechanism, keys--feel way better on the Unicomp. Crisper, lighter.

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 08:58:27 »
I don't think the plastic looks cheap. I think it feels cheap compared to an original Model M, though.
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Anything feels cheap compared against a Model M!  :D
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Wrong - anything feels cheap compared to a Model F, including a Model M. Having said that, I like the plastic of the Model M case better, it is softer and more forgiving. The Model F plastic seems somewhat brittle in comparison.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 16:46:12 »
My Unicomp Classic case has more flex to it than my Model M from 1992. Although I haven't weighed both, my Unicomp Classic also feels lighter(and I'd bet money this is objectively true).

You don't need to bet money: it's a known fact.  Unicomps have a thinner backplate, so they're lighter.

All Model Ms clip together at the front, with screws at the back.  All my Model Ms have a little flex when you squeeze them at the front, while at the back they're solid.  My oldest Model Ms ('86 silver labels) are noticeably stiffer, probably because the ABS plastic is old.

I don't consider either of these factors to be positives.  They don't improve the typing feel, and the combination of the extra weight and brittleness make the board more fragile.  I once accidentally smashed an old Model M by dropping it off a table less than 1 metre high onto a wooden floor (oh the shame).   :(   You also have to take it into account with shipping: with old Model Ms you're paying more for the weight and there's a chance they'll pop rivets because of the brittle plastic.  Unicomps don't have that problem.

About the only thing I really prefer about my Unicomp board is that it emits less ping.

I think that's because of the thinner backplate.

Overall, in consideration of weight, flex, and solidity, my Model M's simply feel sturdier. As such, I surmise the original Model M's will last longer.

Your subjective impressions won't change the fact that Model Ms don't live forever (tragic but true).

Apart from the stiffening of the plastic, it's a fact that metal fatigue causes helical springs to soften with age.  My old Model Ms feel a little bit more soft and mushy than my Unicomps, and some of the most heavily used keys (like shift) are worse than others.

That isn't to say I don't think the Unicomp boards are a decent clone, but to me that's exactly what they are; a decent clone rather than a replica.

You might be aware that Unicomp is the same people using the same equipment: they came out of Lexmark.  "Clone", "replica", whatever -- they're modern models of a product that's been manufactured for decades, and which has changed over the years, just like with cars and any other manufactured good.  You like the old ones, I like the new ones, so we're both happy.


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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 16:51:41 »
I'll post a response here just to have an excuse for typing something on my Ultra Classic. I love this thing. :D

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 17:16:54 »
I think that's something plenty of people do. Since I'm rotating various kinds a bunch atm, that's the same reason I'm reading this stuff right now.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 07 August 2012, 19:29:14 »
My Unicomp Classic case has more flex to it than my Model M from 1992. Although I haven't weighed both, my Unicomp Classic also feels lighter(and I'd bet money this is objectively true).

You don't need to bet money: it's a known fact.  Unicomps have a thinner backplate, so they're lighter.

All Model Ms clip together at the front, with screws at the back.  All my Model Ms have a little flex when you squeeze them at the front, while at the back they're solid.  My oldest Model Ms ('86 silver labels) are noticeably stiffer, probably because the ABS plastic is old.

I don't consider either of these factors to be positives.  They don't improve the typing feel, and the combination of the extra weight and brittleness make the board more fragile.  I once accidentally smashed an old Model M by dropping it off a table less than 1 metre high onto a wooden floor (oh the shame).

Really? This guy threw his Model M onto concrete with brute force a couple of times without so much as cracking, much less shattering, the so-called "brittle" plastic:

Destroying an Old (IBM Model M) Keyboard!

For the record, I never said stability equates to a more pleasant typing experience. I associate it with durability, though.

You also have to take it into account with shipping: with old Model Ms you're paying more for the weight and there's a chance they'll pop rivets because of the brittle plastic.  Unicomps don't have that problem.

That's not a concern since the ones I own don't have cracked rivets and I don't plan on shipping them anywhere.

About the only thing I really prefer about my Unicomp board is that it emits less ping.

I think that's because of the thinner backplate.

I'm quite certain you're right.

Overall, in consideration of weight, flex, and solidity, my Model M's simply feel sturdier. As such, I surmise the original Model M's will last longer.

Your subjective impressions won't change the fact that Model Ms don't live forever (tragic but true).

Who claimed Model M's last forever?

Apart from the stiffening of the plastic, it's a fact that metal fatigue causes helical springs to soften with age.  My old Model Ms feel a little bit more soft and mushy than my Unicomps, and some of the most heavily used keys (like shift) are worse than others.

Springs are swappable. You can even send an original Model M to Unicomp and they'll do it for a nominal fee.

That isn't to say I don't think the Unicomp boards are a decent clone, but to me that's exactly what they are; a decent clone rather than a replica.

You might be aware that Unicomp is the same people using the same equipment: they came out of Lexmark.

I'm very aware they're using the exact same tooling and injection molds that they purchased from Lexmark. The equipment is extremely old, which is the primary reason their keycaps and case finishing happen to be inferior to that of original Model M's. Unicomp admits equipment age is a factor in plastic fringing. I would prefer an inspection process to remove excess (fringe) plastic around the edges, but that's not a deal breaker for me.

"Clone", "replica", whatever -- they're modern models of a product that's been manufactured for decades, and which has changed over the years, just like with cars and any other manufactured good.

Yes. Sometimes things change for the better. Sometimes for the worse. You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I link the changes in question to quality degradation.

That said however, just because I believe Unicomp boards fail to live up to original IBM Model M standards doesn't mean I don't like them. In fact, I do. I just don't like them as much as my original Model M's. Otherwise, I would've returned mine. I do feel Unicomp boards are inferior clones, but that doesn't mean I think they're inferior in general.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 00:21:26 »
I disagree with calling Unicomps inferior clones. In fact, I think the design of the Ultra Classic is a definite improvement over the Model M.

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 01:58:30 »
I disagree with calling Unicomps inferior clones. In fact, I think the design of the Ultra Classic is a definite improvement over the Model M.

Okay, but design had nothing to do with the inferiority reference.
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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 02:17:23 »
I really want one, but don't really want to pay $92 for shipping to Australia :(
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 06:04:05 »
I really want one, but don't really want to pay $92 for shipping to Australia :(

Where in Australia?  I live in Sydney and it doesn't cost that much.

Also the cost of postage per board drops pretty quickly if you combine.  Consider getting a few together with some friends or acquaintances.  You'll find that the postage quickly drops to around $30-40 per board on average.

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Re: Got my new Unicomp Ultra Classic!
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 07:52:40 »
Where in Australia?  I live in Sydney and it doesn't cost that much.

Country South Australia.. I just wish they had a registered post option.  I had a similar sized box sent to me last week, only cost $40.00.
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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 08 August 2012, 16:07:00 »
I just wish they had a registered post option.

Try contacting them.  I've heard they're willing to discuss other postage options.