[GB] Klaxon! The RA2.0 clone - Orders closed! Invoicing/revision time

[pasph]

^ I fear that may be the reaction of many...

USPS new rates and now this?
Not worth imho, a RoW base+mods=$48
Better buy another ansi kb

[tjcaustin]

Okay then.

If the 25 of you want to choose your own color of the three, that's fine.  Any color will have to obviously meet the MoQ of 10 orders.

OR.

We stick with the original plan of WoR only.

[redeye]

WoR iso's are good for me.

[Lighthouse1]

I dont mind all 3 sets I am sure people will want trade them etc and its a pain getting ISO, but if its one set that's fine too.

[adrock]

Hello, I'me George's ISO loving friend 

What exactly is included in the ISO kit, and in what colours? I'm only going with a RoW base set, but I'll have both RoW mods and WoR mods, so I'm not sure which would fit best.
I've a full size filco mj2 I'd like to put these on (and periodically swap the mods).

[la3195]

I don't mind paying for all ISO three sets.  I want RoW to match the rest of my keys. And as it looks like WoR was the more popular I was going to end up with a miss match (might've looked cool though)! I will buy all three and then someone can buy the other two sets from me ;P

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[realex]

i think you should just offer the most voted iso set as default. any modifications to it should be paid for by the ones who actually need them and not by the entire majority of iso buyers, who, in many cases my not even have remote use for the other options.

i also think, the possibility of selling the extra sets after being forced to take all 3 is not an option. theres definitely not a lot of people around to soak up such a specific niche of products. ("hey sup, do you happen to look for a red alert RoG ISO adapter kit? yeah sure i'll take 10")

[jdcarpe]

Yeah, I think in the end TJ will stick with WoR as the only ISO option. Even if you only ordered RoW base and mods, it will still look good. Having all keys of one color, with one or two as a contrast, looks really good to most people.

[pasph]

Yeah, I think in the end TJ will stick with WoR as the only ISO option. Even if you only ordered RoW base and mods, it will still look good. Having all keys of one color, with one or two as a contrast, looks really good to most people.

Enter, left shift and the near key all and only these?
I don't think so, don't try to make it look like a good opportunity, ISO here is always a matter of trade-offs

[BimboBB]

As already stated, I would prefer WoR for the ISO kit and was assuming this was more or less confirmed. But would be happy to get the RoW ISO kit as well. Didnt understand why there wasnt at least two(three) ISO kits when offering two(three) different base kits.

Maybe its possible to make a quick extra poll for the ISO buyers, if they want a 2nd ISO kit?

[danielucf]

Concerning iso kits:
Supposedly when you run color combinations of the same thing at Signature Plastics if it is the same colors just reversed they can fall into the same pricing tier. lets just say you had 25 RoW and 25 WoR, you would actually hit the 50 tier price point instead of two 20 tier price points. This would save $5 per iso set for those two colors.

You do have to double check with Melissa though since this could bring down the cost of everything WoR and RoW and it may not apply to full sets but just solo keys, or smaller sets of keys.

[mickd]

Has that been done in the past Daniel? I was always under the impression that regardless it will have a separate MOQ.

[jdcarpe]

Enter, left shift and the near key all and only these?
I don't think so, don't try to make it look like a good opportunity, ISO here is always a matter of trade-offs

I wasn't trying to. TJ really only has one option, and that's to leave it as is, and keep it WoR only. ISO in GB's here is always a compromise, as there just aren't that many orders to make it cost effective, and at the same time to give those interested many options. This GB isn't like 7bit's R4, and never aimed to be.

I know of several European/UK members who use ANSI standard keyboards. This gives them a good opportunity to participate in any GB and get nice looking custom keysets for their keyboards.

[jdcarpe]

Concerning iso kits:
Supposedly when you run color combinations of the same thing at Signature Plastics if it is the same colors just reversed they can fall into the same pricing tier. lets just say you had 25 RoW and 25 WoR, you would actually hit the 50 tier price point instead of two 20 tier price points. This would save $5 per iso set for those two colors.

You do have to double check with Melissa though since this could bring down the cost of everything WoR and RoW and it may not apply to full sets but just solo keys, or smaller sets of keys.

I've never heard of that happening. Do you have an example of where that happened? Because every GB I've participated in has had separate price tiers for each color, even just reversed combos.

[danielucf]

I've never heard of that happening. Do you have an example of where that happened? Because every GB I've participated in has had separate price tiers for each color, even just reversed combos.

This is why the vendor set is going to be cheap in the Toxic group buy which is why it may not apply to entire sets. It could apply to iso though since it is less keys. When you order an 87 key set over 100 orders that is 8700 keys which can be pretty cheap, yes that is 100 sets of 87 keys essentially, but normally a SET of keys is cheaper than doing 87 different orders of individual keys. I think the set is cheaper because the tiers add up to a reduction somehow.

[GeorgeK]

If that is the case then wouldn't all the sets drop tiers?  You'd be on 265 RoW / WoR base sets for example...  That would be awesome!

[RinSewand]

As stated before I'd be up for all three ISO kits - I need RoG and WoR anyway, if its going to be WoR only then ill need to cancel my RoG mods order as that wouldn't look too great.

[pasph]

Enter, left shift and the near key all and only these?
I don't think so, don't try to make it look like a good opportunity, ISO here is always a matter of trade-offs

I wasn't trying to. TJ really only has one option, and that's to leave it as is, and keep it WoR only. ISO in GB's here is always a compromise, as there just aren't that many orders to make it cost effective, and at the same time to give those interested many options. This GB isn't like 7bit's R4, and never aimed to be.

I know of several European/UK members who use ANSI standard keyboards. This gives them a good opportunity to participate in any GB and get nice looking custom keysets for their keyboards.

I agree, in fact i've said: ok with 1 color but if it's a pack of 3 colors for $45 i'll drop ISO and buy an ansi kb!
I don't want to debate iso vs ansi but for sure paying 9 keys (they are blank?) the same amount of 87 it's not my best hope

[danielucf]

If that is the case then wouldn't all the sets drop tiers?  You'd be on 265 RoW / WoR base sets for example...  That would be awesome!

I think when it comes to larger sets the discount is already baked in since it is so many keys. That is why it applies to single keys like "geek hack" keys in both colors being the same tier potentially.

[aggiejy]

danielucf...  I'm almost certain that isn't the case.  Larger sets are quoted independently like you say, but for smaller sets when going by the price sheet, color breaks the MOQ.  I've recently confirmed this with her as well, and even followed up twice just to make double-sure... as it would certainly change group buys in a big way.  I wish it were true though, so if you know something I don't, let me know!

[tjcaustin]

danielucf...  I'm almost certain that isn't the case.  Larger sets are quoted independently like you say, but for smaller sets when going by the price sheet, color breaks the MOQ.  I've recently confirmed this with her as well, and even followed up twice just to make double-sure... as it would certainly change group buys in a big way.  I wish it were true though, so if you know something I don't, let me know!

In fact, that was verified earlier in this thread as it was one of the recent things I discussed with Melissa to help people out.

Enter, left shift and the near key all and only these?
I don't think so, don't try to make it look like a good opportunity, ISO here is always a matter of trade-offs

I wasn't trying to. TJ really only has one option, and that's to leave it as is, and keep it WoR only. ISO in GB's here is always a compromise, as there just aren't that many orders to make it cost effective, and at the same time to give those interested many options. This GB isn't like 7bit's R4, and never aimed to be.

I know of several European/UK members who use ANSI standard keyboards. This gives them a good opportunity to participate in any GB and get nice looking custom keysets for their keyboards.

I agree, in fact i've said: ok with 1 color but if it's a pack of 3 colors for $45 i'll drop ISO and buy an ansi kb!
I don't want to debate iso vs ansi but for sure paying 9 keys (they are blank?) the same amount of 87 it's not my best hope

They're not and it's 4 keys per set(I still see that point even though it's 12 keys total) - http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/ISO4Key.pdf

Actually, 5 because I got them to add the proper 2 key to the kit as well.

[Mysteric]

It would look fine except that a WoR number 2 key would look strange with a RoW base set, the other keys not so much. If you can give me a quote on the potential costs for my order (1 x RoW base kit, 1 x WoR modifiers, ISO kit), I can weigh up my options and let you know from there (Not necessarily an 'official' invoice, just a ballpark figure.

[tjcaustin]

It would look fine except that a WoR number 2 key would look strange with a RoW base set, the other keys not so much. If you can give me a quote on the potential costs for my order (1 x RoW base kit, 1 x WoR modifiers, ISO kit), I can weigh up my options and let you know from there (Not necessarily an 'official' invoice, just a ballpark figure.

The keys are going to be around $87 shipped before ~$9 in sorting/paypal/subsidy(for RoG base kits, it's like a dollar)

Additionally, I've got about 50 people that I still have no way to bill.

[Mysteric]

Ouch, that's a fairly large sum, would've had no problems paying say $75-$85 in total. I really want these keycaps as well, red and white are my favourite colour combination

[tjcaustin]

Ouch, that's a fairly large sum, would've had no problems paying say $75-$85 in total. I really want these keycaps as well, red and white are my favourite colour combination

Yeah, that's the crappy part about the low tier pricing.  Even at 25 people, ISO is still more than 50% of the price of the two base kits.

The only other way I can think of is to make everyone bear the burden through subsidy.  Essentially cap the price of ISO, then spread the difference over everyone's order.

I'm extremely hesitant to do this because I don't want to be the GB of "I would have got it, but he added so many fees..."

[aggiejy]

I assume you're still sending invoices?  I haven't gotten one, nor a PM, so just making sure I'm not one of the deadbeats.

[tjcaustin]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

[aggiejy]

Oh, I see, thanks!

[akuJIWA]

tj, I confirm my order. Let me know when you've sent the invoice!

[Supergleep]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

Just to confirm, if we filled out the updated questionnaire on the front page that included our paypal info, we're covered? Or do we need to send you a PM with paypal info?

[jabar]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

Just to confirm, if we filled out the updated questionnaire on the front page that included our paypal info, we're covered? Or do we need to send you a PM with paypal info?

If you filled out the standard vs. 7bit mods plus Paypal info, you're covered.

[tjcaustin]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

Just to confirm, if we filled out the updated questionnaire on the front page that included our paypal info, we're covered? Or do we need to send you a PM with paypal info?

Form filled = covered

[tauburn]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

to be honest, people who cant figure out such a simple form deserve to be left behind

[redeye]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

to be honest, people who cant figure out such a simple form deserve to be left behind

I agree but 50 people = lots of dosh. Also equates to increase of tiers and a Major headache

[damorgue]

I don't mind paying for all ISO three sets.  I want RoW to match the rest of my keys. And as it looks like WoR was the more popular I was going to end up with a miss match (might've looked cool though)! I will buy all three and then someone can buy the other two sets from me ;P

What exactly is included in the ISO kit, and in what colours? I'm only going with a RoW base set, but I'll have both RoW mods and WoR mods, so I'm not sure which would fit best.

I too am only interested in RoW. All three seems like the best compromise to me.

[GeorgeK]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

to be honest, people who cant figure out such a simple form deserve to be left behind

I agree but 50 people = lots of dosh. Also equates to increase of tiers and a Major headache

Exactly - it's annoying but prices will increase (possibly by a lot) if people are left behind (or if they don't pay up etc)

[Mysteric]

I may still be in for all three ISO kit colours. tjcaustin, is it possible to get a RoW keycap for the number 2 key with the " on it as a one-off? It'd match my RoW base kit then I'd be interested to see how much it would be.

[MadScientist46]

I would like to send them all at once and I still have about 50 people that haven't sent me any paypal info.

to be honest, people who cant figure out such a simple form deserve to be left behind

I agree but 50 people = lots of dosh. Also equates to increase of tiers and a Major headache

Exactly - it's annoying but prices will increase (possibly by a lot) if people are left behind (or if they don't pay up etc)

[tjcaustin]

Going to give the 35 people left until the end of today to get me paypal stuff and then hounds will be set free

[Sai]

Going to give the 35 people left until the end of today to get me paypal stuff and then hounds will be set free

nice !

[LechnerDE]

Going to give the 35 people left until the end of today to get me paypal stuff and then hounds will be set free

**** YEAH!!

 

[GeorgeK]

Good stuff - just as a hypothetical, what happens if they don't get in contact / pay?

[do_Og@n]

Can I still place an order for the WOR and ROW sets?

[iArson]

PM'd TJ

Forgot all about the message you left me!

[tjcaustin]

Can I still place an order for the WOR and ROW sets?

Yup, just fill out the forms in OP, please.

Good stuff - just as a hypothetical, what happens if they don't get in contact / pay?

IP traces, murder, identity theft, order fulfilment

[GeorgeK]

Fair enough, sounds reasonable and proportional - as long as it's all in hand

[megaforce]

Are these Cherry or OEM profile?

[inteli722]

Are these Cherry or OEM profile?

Combination that's unique to Signature Plastics. I think it's closer to Cherry, but it's not exact.

[Gupgup]

Form filled, hopefully did the right one..? Haven't been keeping up on this :/

[MadScientist46]

Good stuff - just as a hypothetical, what happens if they don't get in contact / pay?

IP traces, murder, identity theft, order fulfilment

If there are some Europeans to be punished, just PM me with the details and I'll take some days off for a nice trip.... 

Are these Cherry or OEM profile?

Combination that's unique to Signature Plastics. I think it's closer to Cherry, but it's not exact.

Right, not exactly the same. Main difference is the bottom row which has a bigger angle than Cherry profile (dunno how to describe better).