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Offline tobr1an

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Model M SSK
« on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:26:00 »
New other model M SSK
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IBM-Model-M-Space-Saving-SpaceSaver-Clicky-Mechanical-Keyboard-/170948980685?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item27cd5a6fcd

Right now 96$ plus 24$ shipping already. May not be the best price but still lower than the one I see on forum.
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 21:28:19 »
New in box...that will end up nowhere near the price of the others I see in the classifieds.  I'd bet money it goes for more than $220.
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Model M SSK
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:25:31 »
Nice description :D
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Offline MissileMike

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:25:50 »
It's my listing, so if you have any questions, fire away!
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Model M SSK
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:29:35 »
Just bid it up a little bit, but somebody maxed above where I'm willing to go. GLWA :)
« Last Edit: Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:34:39 by shadewolf »
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Offline mkawa

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:12:38 »
last NIB on ebay went for 480 iirc

the irony is that it was still missing rivets

just from sitting in the box it lost rivets.
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:13:52 »
it's not exactly NIB anymore... people have less stringent definitions these days.
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Model M SSK
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:38:39 »
Quote from: MissileMike on Mon, 26 November 2012, 22:25:50
It's my listing, so if you have any questions, fire away!

Is it actually NIB?  Have you used it?  (And if so, how much?)

How many broken rivets?
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Offline MissileMike

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 06:38:11 »
Yes, it's NIB.  It has never been used, and has never even been taken out of the styrofoam you see it sitting in.  I have no idea what its rivet situation is, because I am not willing to take it apart to look.  But the good thing is I didn't hear any moving around when I picked up the box.  I got it from the infamous ComptekW2K a couple years ago.
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Offline Peter

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:26:28 »
Quote from: sth on Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:13:52
it's not exactly NIB anymore... people have less stringent definitions these days.
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Quote from: hashbaz on Wed, 07 November 2012, 18:46:03
    Don't be an ass sth.

Exactly how is it not NIB any more ?
I take it you don't mean the fact that it wasn't manufactured yesterday or yesteryear for that matter ?

Good luck with the sale MissileMike :)
« Last Edit: Tue, 27 November 2012, 10:30:52 by Peter »
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:04:54 »
I have sold stuff that I described as "New in Open Box" if I had examined or tested something about it, without putting it into actual "use"

A seller who got it out, tested the unit for proper operation, and put it back again, could reasonably call it "New in Open Box" in my opinion.

"New in Box" means that it has not been taken out of the box, by my definition.

But maybe I am more lax than somebody else.
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:10:37 »
I usually call that "Like New In Box" or "As New In Box," just to clarify. I think buyers understand those terms.
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Offline Peter

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:31:50 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:04:54
I have sold stuff that I described as "New in Open Box" if I had examined or tested something about it, without putting it into actual "use"

A seller who got it out, tested the unit for proper operation, and put it back again, could reasonably call it "New in Open Box" in my opinion.

"New in Box" means that it has not been taken out of the box, by my definition.

But maybe I am more lax than somebody else.


Where I'm from, the consumer has RIGHTS ! (And retailers have LEGAL OBLIGATIONS !!)
One of them is that buyers are entitled to see the product, ALSO with their fingers ! (That IS how one 'sees' mechanical quality, is it not ??)
As a result, merchants are allowed to call a product 'New', even if the seal on the box has been broken !.

When buying 'post-order',  the consumer has a 14-day return-right, EVEN if the seal is broken ..
The Law can't see how else they are supposed to establish whether the product is something they want to pay for or not ..
Only exceptions are private sales and auctions, here 'purchased as seen (or honestly described) is accepted .
« Last Edit: Tue, 27 November 2012, 11:39:18 by Peter »
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 12:03:00 »
I am not sure exactly where those rights tip over from buyer to seller, but I do know that new keyboard sellers get raped regularly when buyers buy brand new keyboards to test out different switches, then return them (for full credit) simply because they want to try something else. That is absolutely wrong, in my opinion.

The value is diminished because in the "New-Used" spectrum an item that is absolutely "new" and virgin has greater value than the same item after some seconds/minutes/hours/years of "use" depending on what sort of thing it is.

When I sell a 20-year-old keyboard as "New in Open Box" because I tested it to make sure that there were no dead keys, I feel like I did my customer a favor. If I used it for a few days and decided that I didn't like it, I would sell it as "Like New" or "pristine"
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Offline Lu_e

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 27 November 2012, 20:32:03 »
Def on geekhack right now...
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 28 November 2012, 02:08:30 »
Well.. that escalated quickly.
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Offline kinkng

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 30 November 2012, 22:50:25 »
I can vouch for the condition of Mike's SSKs. I bought one from him last year and they are in New condition. I am still regretting my flirtation with realforce keyboards earlier this year which caused me to sell/trade two of my NIB SSKs and I regret it everyday. 
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Offline Blackbart

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 15:09:00 »
Quote from: mkawa on Mon, 26 November 2012, 23:12:38
last NIB on ebay went for 480 iirc

the irony is that it was still missing rivets

just from sitting in the box it lost rivets.

Yep, I bought a NIB SKK this year and it had about 8-9 busted rivets. It got a little pingy, I did a bolt mod on it and it feels fantastic (managed to make a small two inch hairline crack above the arrow keys but it hasn't affected the feel or structure, the plate plastic is hella brittle, I barely put any pressure during tightening). Seems the value on the NIBs are going nowhere but up =D

I'm guessing this is probably a Lexmark even though it's badged as an IBM (the controller will almost certainly have a Lexmark sticker on it). I'd be curious if the buyer is a GH'r and willing to check.
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Offline MissileMike

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 21:44:10 »
If you want a space saver to type on, why not simply get a used one?  Not like it's going to wear out or anything.  To me, a brand new ssk is purely a collector's item.

Kinking!  Why!?!?!
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Offline Blackbart

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 02 December 2012, 22:03:54 »
Quote from: MissileMike on Sun, 02 December 2012, 21:44:10
If you want a space saver to type on, why not simply get a used one?  Not like it's going to wear out or anything.  To me, a brand new ssk is purely a collector's item.

Kinking!  Why!?!?!

I'm not a collector nor do I invest in keyboards, I buy stuff to enjoy it =D

In hindsight I could have bought a used SSK for less than half the price, but it wouldn't be brand shiny new and untainted.
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Offline MissileMike

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 03 December 2012, 09:07:10 »
Fair enough- sometimes it's hard to see things from a different POV :)
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Offline MissileMike

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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 07 January 2013, 14:29:08 »
To follow up on this, the buyer returned the keyboard to me.
I had forgotten to mention in the ebay listing that the cords were not stored with the keyboard and thus cannot be considered new.  There are also a couple rivets floating around inside, which is true of almost every single Model M, new or used.  In fact, it only sounds like 2 or 3 rivets total.  Anyway, the buyer wasn't satisfied, so I paid for return shipping and I have the keyboard again, thankfully still unused.  I think I will just keep it.
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Re: Model M SSK
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 07 January 2013, 18:55:41 »
SSK is on my "very much want it, but can't afford it for a few months" list.
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