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How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 04:35:30 »
Oddly this thread inspired me a little. I'm not sure what switch I will use but I'm messing with reds for the first time in a while without bottoming out. My wpm is really high but membranes had me bottom out 100% on every mechanical keyboard I've owned. This is my first time so it'ss a trip how light these mx reds are now...

Anyway, I take it to the next level and am trying to play games without bottoming out which might be impossible in some cases. Blues seem like the best switch for this type of typing, though? Reds are a crazy challenge so far. My typing speed and game performance is majorly suffering right now.

Maybe try greens. You'd have the click of blues with the resistance of blacks.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 05:20:18 »
Feng's got the cheapest available sets of PBT available right now on top of which they are thick so are heavier than your typical Ducky PBTs...

Here they are.

Sadly those keys are very short and not compatible to the crashpads and O-rings on the market.  Gotta have my crash protectors.

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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 08:35:39 »
Well since no one sells a product by the name you keep using (crashpads) and you've yet to explain what you're talking about when someone asks (as far as I've seen) there's no way for us to know.

It's also not the caps that are too short to work, it's the stems since they are not the full length of the switch stem.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 08:37:37 »
Is he not talking about these?

And there are smaller O-rings, which are better suited to Cherry/SP profile caps.

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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 08:40:17 »
Is he not talking about these?

Who knows?  Those aren't called  crashpads tho.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 09:02:49 »
Well since no one sells a product by the name you keep using (crashpads)
Nobody sells a product named "cars" either but I just figured u would work it all out  ;D   :p

Crashpads = any device to prevent injury during a crash.  This includes "air bags", "seat belts", "landing pads", those fancy suits that racecar drivers use, etc. etc.

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It's also not the caps that are too short to work, it's the stems since they are not the full length of the switch stem.
Are the stems switchable outable?
Independent of the keycap?

I have never take one of these apart yet.  I tried to buy 2 Leopold keypullers and it wouldn't let me and said they were out of stock.
More $ to WASD.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 09:10:07 »
Feng has Filco pullers for cheap.  No you can't readily swap stems out of keycaps.  However there was the possibility that your 'crashpads' were something you place on the plate rather than on the switch considering your complaint of keycap height.  Keycap height is relevant to the plate, stem length and the presence of those ribs is relevant to the switch.

And yes, you can readily buy cars all over the world.  You walk up to someone and ask them where to buy cars they can readily tell you.  Ask someone where to buy crashpads and you'll be lucky to get something that fulfills the function you desire.  Until recently I thought you were referring to a gaming device.  Also, 'pad' is a definite description that does not cover airbags or seat belts and certainly does not cover 'any device to prevent injury in a crash.'  There's plenty of people that would offer you a place to sleep if you request a crashpad.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 09:12:00 »
Is he not talking about these?
I ordered a pile of those then got an email that my order is on hold till dec 15 even though all items I ordered are listed on the site as in stock.


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And there are smaller O-rings, which are better suited to Cherry/SP profile caps.
What?!?  I never knew about such things.  Where are they?

I think pads will work better for me but I am going to buy and try o-rings too.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 09:19:27 »
However there was the possibility that your 'crashpads' were something you place on the plate rather than on the switch considering your complaint of keycap height.  Keycap height is relevant to the plate, stem length and the presence of those ribs is relevant to the switch.
  Keyboard science is complicated.  I have not yet studied those "stickers" I see ppl talking about putting on their plate.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 09:23:56 »
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html

40A-L (the red ones)
I was going to try using those on my normal OEM keycaps.

Wouldn't they reduce travel by >1.2mm on Cherry Lowrider profile?
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 12:19:39 »
Stickers go between the switches 2 halves or black casing I believe. & I just wanted to say spamming with linear switches or double tapping is SO much easier I find.

Just say NO to ABS keycaps

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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 12:45:31 »
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html

40A-L (the red ones)
I was going to try using those on my normal OEM keycaps.

Wouldn't they reduce travel by >1.2mm on Cherry Lowrider profile?

They would still reduce travel on OEM keycaps too.  Anything you add under the keycaps will reduce travel (landing pad, o-ring... etc).

Although the 40A-L o-rings (pink ones, even though they say red but it's really pink) should ahve the least amount of reduction.

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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 06 December 2012, 17:44:24 »
If you really typed 20 hours a day for three years (or anything close to that), it weren't the rubber domes what damaged your fingers, it was you. Typing without breaks, stretching and proper technique is... insane. BTW professional musicians often have similar issues — in that case, they're usually told to go back to their teacher and relearn proper technique. Better tools (keyboards, keyboard layouts etc.) can't replace that, only reduce consequences.

To answer your question, I didn't have to train myself at all. I started to type like I always did (I never smash keys like if my fingers were hammers), and it felt great. I had a short period when I sometimes had typed characters doubled, but that disappeared as quickly as it appeared.

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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 05:42:58 »
If you really typed 20 hours a day for three years (or anything close to that), it weren't the rubber domes what damaged your fingers, it was you. Typing without breaks, stretching and proper technique is... insane.
I am a coder.  I take giant breaks all the time.  I always have to invent some new algorithm that requires long long periods of thought.  So I took lots of breaks.  Besides my legs or feet or knees would get sore if I sat down for very long at the puter (typically 1 hour, restless leg syndrome) so I would not just take a typing break but actually take a break from the whole computer and go for a walk to think or eat.

And when I did those 20 hour days I would sleep for 12 hours typically.

But they were not all 20 hour days.  Some days were only 8 or 12 hours.

In any event I never said it was the rubber domes that hurt me.  It was the impact of smashing a hard piece of plastic down into an immoveable object.  This is referred to as a "collision".  The force graph looks like this:
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See how it just suddenly turns into a straight line upwards?  That is called smashing.  If you encounter 70cN of resistance and then suddenly hit 1000 cN of resistance that is called smashing into a wall.

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BTW professional musicians often have similar issues — in that case, they're usually told to go back to their teacher and relearn proper technique. Better tools (keyboards, keyboard layouts etc.) can't replace that, only reduce consequences.

To answer your question, I didn't have to train myself at all. I started to type like I always did (I never smash keys like if my fingers were hammers),
I don't think anyone does that.  Except maybe keyboard gamers?

I am not a keyboard gamer.  I use a proper controller or I don't play.

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...  and it felt great.
u just sat down at cherry reds and did not bang the key into the metal plate?  The one that is 4mm away from rest position?  Dewd u r awesome.
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Re: How did you train yourself for Cherry Red switches?
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 06:01:35 »
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BTW professional musicians often have similar issues — in that case, they're usually told to go back to their teacher and relearn proper technique. Better tools (keyboards, keyboard layouts etc.) can't replace that, only reduce consequences.

To answer your question, I didn't have to train myself at all. I started to type like I always did (I never smash keys like if my fingers were hammers),
I don't think anyone does that.  Except maybe keyboard gamers?
Surprisingly many people do that, especially hunt'n'peckers. Even on laptop keyboards.