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Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #150 on: Sun, 17 April 2011, 21:14:18 »
No need to ask.  It is not that keyboard.  We already know the answer.
Daily Drivers: Ducky DK1087XM || DSI ASK-6600 || Rosewill RK-9000 BL, BR, BL, and RE || ABS M1 || Das Keyboard Silent || HHKB Lite and Lite 2 || DSI Big Font (kids love it)
Yearning for: Any ALPS keyboard || Any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard
Permanent collection: Poker Blue and Brown || Adesso MKB-125B || SIIG MiniTouch Geek Hack Space Saver || Chicony 5181 Monterey Blue || Chicony 5191 Clone Cherry Blues || Key Tronic 3600 || Unicomp Endurapro & SmarTrex || A crate of IBM Model M and Model M Space Saving boards || NeXTstation Slab || Amiga 3000 || BTC-5100C black and beige || SIIG MiniTouch Plus black and beige
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #151 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 21:35:15 »
Still not sure why they aren't doing this.
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IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



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Offline spolia optima

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« Reply #152 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 21:45:48 »
COULD IT BE?!?!
dammit, false alarm :((((
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Offline spolia optima

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« Reply #153 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 21:50:43 »
for serious, this is the time for Unicomp to make their move! Mechanical keyboards are all the rage this holiday season, or at least I'm thinking they probably will be.
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #154 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 06:51:49 »
Damn, I actually fooled myself.
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline spolia optima

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« Reply #155 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 09:46:54 »
omfg
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Offline ironman31

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« Reply #156 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 09:52:11 »
Quote from: dante;436024
does not compute.  all the model m vs. unicomp threads that I've read seem to say unicomps are the poor mans model m - not made to as high standards as the original model m's - now everyone is salivating over a unicomp.

not saying they are bad - i've never owned one - it just seems odd that some of the reviewers who gave them a 'meh' are salivating over this.

Who didn't like them?
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline Thinkpad Fan

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« Reply #157 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 12:56:35 »
Dante - Nothing built by anyone since is as heavy duty as an early (1986-87) IBM Model M.  A $300+ keyboard in 1980's dollars had some serious moxie - which is why they are still "takin care of business" all these years later.  And all the revered non-Model M brands everyone loves so much on this forum aren't even playing in the same ballpark - weak sisters, that will be in the landfill before my 1987 Model M gives up the ghost.

But there is an elitism surrounding the IBM originals that I bought into when I first started reading these boards.   "Only IBM" and "older is better" were what I initially read and just accepted myself as the "common knowledge"  - and only after curiority (or is it obsession?) buying and trying newer boards, and Lexmarks, Maxi-Switches and Unicomps did I find out that these assumptions aren't necessarily so.  Nothing wrong with the original, older stuff - but you might actually prefer the lighter feel of a newer one.  Some things are a matter of individual taste - and yes, Virginia, there is a nice, wide range of "feel" even among Model M's of the same design.  If you've tried one, you have not tried them all.

Having said that, the buckling spring tactile and psychoacoustic feedback is what makes the Model Ms design superior, and the Unicomps have it - they are, in fact, real Model Ms.  Same design, and their construction is not flimsy, just not necessarily 1980's HD thickness/materials.  My one Unicomp board is absolutely excellent - and since the buckling springs are the "wear" component - I suspect it will last as long - or nearly so - as an original IBM.  But it seems nothing we make today, even from the same blueprints, is made quite as nicely or as well as back then.  Functional equivalents, to be sure - but we've lost something.  Maybe it's pride - or having to compete with .25 cents an hour slave labor, or profits being a little too important - I'm sure it varies.  In the 1980's, computers were not a consumer good - they were Industrial tools.  Maybe because of our throwaway society, we've quit trying to make permanent items.   But I can assure you that the Unicomp is a good product.  What we are waiting for is for them to make the models we want.  Keeping mind that they are probably trying to stay alive in a difficult market, and if they want to make something all new it would be a substantial investment that might not net them enough return - I'm willing to be patient and hope they succeed.   Thinkpad Fan

Offline spolia optima

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« Reply #158 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 13:55:03 »
Quote from: Thinkpad Fan;436210
Dante - Nothing built by anyone since is as heavy duty as an early (1986-87) IBM Model M.  A $300+ keyboard in 1980's dollars had some serious moxie - which is why they are still "takin care of business" all these years later.  And all the revered non-Model M brands everyone loves so much on this forum aren't even playing in the same ballpark - weak sisters, that will be in the landfill before my 1987 Model M gives up the ghost.

But there is an elitism surrounding the IBM originals that I bought into when I first started reading these boards.   "Only IBM" and "older is better" were what I initially read and just accepted myself as the "common knowledge"  - and only after curiority (or is it obsession?) buying and trying newer boards, and Lexmarks, Maxi-Switches and Unicomps did I find out that these assumptions aren't necessarily so.  Nothing wrong with the original, older stuff - but you might actually prefer the lighter feel of a newer one.  Some things are a matter of individual taste - and yes, Virginia, there is a nice, wide range of "feel" even among Model M's of the same design.  If you've tried one, you have not tried them all.

Having said that, the buckling spring tactile and psychoacoustic feedback is what makes the Model Ms design superior, and the Unicomps have it - they are, in fact, real Model Ms.  Same design, and their construction is not flimsy, just not necessarily 1980's HD thickness/materials.  My one Unicomp board is absolutely excellent - and since the buckling springs are the "wear" component - I suspect it will last as long - or nearly so - as an original IBM.  But it seems nothing we make today, even from the same blueprints, is made quite as nicely or as well as back then.  Functional equivalents, to be sure - but we've lost something.  Maybe it's pride - or having to compete with .25 cents an hour slave labor, or profits being a little too important - I'm sure it varies.  In the 1980's, computers were not a consumer good - they were Industrial tools.  Maybe because of our throwaway society, we've quit trying to make permanent items.   But I can assure you that the Unicomp is a good product.  What we are waiting for is for them to make the models we want.  Keeping mind that they are probably trying to stay alive in a difficult market, and if they want to make something all new it would be a substantial investment that might not net them enough return - I'm willing to be patient and hope they succeed.   Thinkpad Fan

QFT! Damn, that was inspired! Best GH post in a long-ass time too!
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Offline flyball

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« Reply #159 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 14:38:02 »
you can buy a 104 key unicomp. generation y wins.
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Offline shrap

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« Reply #160 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 15:47:52 »
Weren't Model Ms a cheaper version of Model Fs anyway?

Does anyone have numbers on how much Model Ms cost in today's dollars?

Offline dorkvader

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« Reply #161 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 18:34:42 »
Quote from: shrap;436325
Weren't Model Ms a cheaper version of Model Fs anyway?

Does anyone have numbers on how much Model Ms cost in today's dollars?
Well, unicomp can sell what is effectively a pretty similar item for $70 or whatever.

normal M's seem to go for 0-50 or so, depending on a number of factors.

I'm about this close to coating some plastic and printing up a flexible membrane, and DIY'ing-up a space saving unicomp. Unicomp, who, evidently, haven't looked up what Space saving keyboards go for on Ebay compared with their fullsize bretheren.

Offline spolia optima

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« Reply #162 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 18:45:34 »
Quote from: dorkvader;436406
Well, unicomp can sell what is effectively a pretty similar item for $70 or whatever.

normal M's seem to go for 0-50 or so, depending on a number of factors.

I'm about this close to coating some plastic and printing up a flexible membrane, and DIY'ing-up a space saving unicomp. Unicomp, who, evidently, haven't looked up what Space saving keyboards go for on Ebay compared with their fullsize bretheren.

totally off-topic, but I have a feeling that, if unicomp were to release a mini, prices on ebay for NIB minis would go doooooooooooooooown down down :D
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« Reply #163 on: Fri, 21 October 2011, 19:28:22 »
Thinkpad Fan is right about the early-Reagan-era computers being "industrial grade" while today's are "consumer-disposables"

My understanding was that Model Fs sold at about $350 original price, and the cost-cutting measures on the Model M were intended to reduce the price to $250 or so.

Having taken apart several of each variety and sub-variety, I can see that the Fs are WAY more involved than the Ms, and the price differential might well have been greater than it was.

Assuming that IBM charged double or triple (since they could) that still makes them WAY more expensive than Unicomp prices. Perhaps since Unicomp did not have to invest in any R&D or tooling, they could really get the price down. And they had to, of course, considering what the "competition" was!

PS - when is somebody going to change the title of this thread to "Unicomp breaking wind"
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Offline Ki Bored

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« Reply #164 on: Sat, 22 October 2011, 17:12:54 »
Is there a sticky or wiki or a thread that discusses the various vintage IBM model numbers? I would like to find out which if any IBM's might possibly be quieter.

Thanks.

Offline Pylon

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« Reply #165 on: Sat, 22 October 2011, 20:16:37 »
The Wikipedia page has a long list.

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« Reply #166 on: Sat, 22 October 2011, 20:39:13 »
Flossing is a quick cheap fix to reduce some noise.

I have done it in conjunction with re-assembly with bolt mods, but it could be done from above in less than an hour.

Stuffing the case with padding helps a little bit, bolt-modding with tighter screws cuts the noise but increases the pressure a bit, in my experience.

For my own use, I am going to lightly bolt-mod my Greenock 42H, floss it, and stuff the case for the lightest but quietest possible combination.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30