Author Topic: N-key rollover test. (Read 201959 times)

Rajagra · « **Reply #300 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 05:30:11 »

Quote from: JaccoW;124058

I just tried my Logitech G15v1 and came up with QWAZX + ctrl + enter + shift

So six keys + modifier keys.

I'm afraid not.
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=103270&postcount=285

SCTony · « **Reply #301 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 06:04:33 »

PC-AT Model F-"THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG"

itlnstln · « **Reply #302 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 09:13:25 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;124010

so wait
you are misspelling 'fox', or spelling 'fox' prints 'fpx' on the filco?

Ripster was just making a joke by saying that the right shift key was too far of a reach for him to type correctly, so everything he typed with his right hand was one letter to the right. I was just being a **** by calling him out on spelling the other words incorrectly, but he got "fox" right.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #303 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 09:54:40 »

Quote from: Rajagra;124051

Boards with a poor algorithm that can't track complex sequences of key presses/releases. (I.e. needs all keys to be released often it order to reset its tracking.)

fancy bullets!
anyway, i never thought about that. i dont think on either keyboard i typed it all the way through. i didnt think it mattered whether or not i take breaks. maybe that explains why some people get an E here, but not there (example)?

did it again on my HHKB and it still worked fine, but that's something people should remember when doing the test.

i had no idea keyboards worked that way... i thought it was much more 'momentary'.

i figured ripster was joking, but on this test when i make an error (and i do, no matter how slow i go) i just keep typing and get the right one next.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #304 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 12:45:44 »

yeah, the ASX thing is incredibly disappointing. how can the model m be revered by UBERLEETPROGAMERs when it cannot handle this?

fortunately, aside from diagonal WASD+modifiers, i dont use many keys at once. anything that requires simultaneous use with crawling diagonally (talk, reload, change weapon, etc) i have mapped on my mouse.

EDIT i do think 6 is plenty, especially when modifiers dont count, but it just seems like a design limitation we should be over now that it is 2009.

itlnstln · « **Reply #305 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 12:48:59 »

Quote from: ripster;124125

Correct - especially that last part. Bwahahaha!

If the shoe fits...

Remember, it's Spotted ****, to you.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #306 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 12:55:11 »

this thread/forum needs a wiki or single post or something for the Ctrl+Alt+Shift+QWASZX+[beyond] and maybe LAZY DOG tests
or even non-standardized/lazy rollover test

unless there is one?

looking through 25 pages to find out if a keyboard has good rollover isnt great

i mean i would do the initial collecting from this thread myself

itlnstln · « **Reply #307 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 13:02:47 »

Quote from: ripster;124139

Spotted **** can. It's a strange conversation starter for the office.

HR: "Excuse me, what's in that can?"
ItlnStln: "It's a British desert".
HR: "**** is an obscene word".
ItlnStln: "It's short for Richard (mumbling ****head under his breath)".
HR: "Get rid of it"
ItlnStln: "We carry it on our Grocery shelves! We have a Special Relationship with the Brits. You have cultural insensitivity!"
HR: "You're fired - we're writing 'Has Spotted **** and Refuses Treatment - medical reasons' - on the form".

BTW - We have a Wiki. O2dazone likes to hide it though.

Spotted **** in its natural office habitat...

itlnstln · « **Reply #308 on:** Fri, 09 October 2009, 13:07:07 »

Sorry about the quality. I had to sneak that pic. As you can see, there are people here, and I didn't want to spook the ****. BTW, that's a can of Silk Worm Pupa on top of the Spotted ****.

Cesar · « **Reply #309 on:** Sat, 14 November 2009, 15:44:11 »

Keyboard: Zenith ZKB-2 keyboard (1989)
Interface: AT to PS/2
Operating System: Windows Vista
Max keys accepted: 32+ (As much as my whole palm can press)

If I use AT to PS/2 to USB adapter interface, it goes only up to 6 keys (limitation of USB specs).

I will conserve this keyboard until death do us part.

Alternative results using Keyscan by Digital Genesis (OLD screenshot):

Cesar · « **Reply #310 on:** Sun, 15 November 2009, 16:17:37 »

Thanks. Keyboard passed the mentioned keystroke in any order, including holding down Shift and Alt key all at the same time.

It passes ASX keys as well.

MamiyaOtaru · « **Reply #311 on:** Tue, 24 November 2009, 22:38:53 »

Quote from: MamiyaOtaru;76369

KB: Deck Legend
Interface: PS/2
switches: black cherry linear
Keys accepted: 36

No combo I can try fails. I don't doubt I could get more than 36 if I could position my hands right.

Quote from: ripster;132523

Better to post Minimums though like whether it passes CTRL-QWAZX.

Pressing those keys (and hitting printscrn with my nose) involved some contortion. Max of 36+ may not be interesting, but so far that's the minimum as well. I have had zero issues with this one. Price aside.

microsoft windows · « **Reply #312 on:** Fri, 04 December 2009, 15:59:26 »

itlnstln · « **Reply #313 on:** Fri, 04 December 2009, 16:01:51 »

I have this really odd feeling that you are doing it incorrectly.

ricercar · « **Reply #314 on:** Sat, 05 December 2009, 02:28:20 »

Quote from: ripster;138905

He works at a school. Mrs. Green AND Mrs. Brown's kindergarten classes all put in a hand or two or three or......

Are Mrs Green and Mrs Brown cherry?

53 keys on one keyboard. I want to see that 700+ key keyboard.

Rajagra · « **Reply #315 on:** Mon, 07 December 2009, 00:55:44 »

Could some people with NKRO boards repeat the test I did here.

If you have the same problem as me, do you still get it with a PS/2 connection? All my NKRO boards are USB only, so I can't test it.

Viett · « **Reply #316 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 11:53:01 »

Deck 82 fails on some 3 key combos (QWE). I guess only the 105 gets rollover.

Viett · « **Reply #317 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 11:58:21 »

Quote from: Rajagra;139650

Could some people with NKRO boards repeat the test I did here.

If you have the same problem as me, do you still get it with a PS/2 connection? All my NKRO boards are USB only, so I can't test it.

Tried on a Filco Tenkeyless with rollover and got the same results as you. I will try it with PS/2 when I get access to a desktop.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #318 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 12:04:01 »

Quote from: Viett;142223

Deck 82 fails on some 3 key combos (QWE). I guess only the 105 gets rollover.

wow, thats a shame
i really thought the 82 was a good choice

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #319 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 14:03:55 »

isnt that what we always post? the most keys you can get?

itlnstln · « **Reply #320 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 14:04:40 »

We always post the least amount of keys that register. We don't really care about the most.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #321 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 15:27:18 »

he didnt seem THAT bothered by it

itlnstln · « **Reply #322 on:** Mon, 14 December 2009, 17:13:06 »

I was speed posting. It's about the only time I actually post something quasi-informative.

I'm not bothered, but I do fully recognize that I epically failed.

nanu · « **Reply #323 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 10:44:55 »

Oh, here something that hasn't bothered me much, but something I noticed on day one of using my NKRO 87-cherry Filco Majestouch.

I insist on using it through PS/2 because on my system, the input lag is noticeably less than USB; the repeat rate is higher as well.

Occasionally, I get any of the shift/alt/ctrl/win keys stuck in its down state, in WinXP Pro 32bit. I have many global hotkeys with those keys as modifiers, so I tend to notice.

Mashing each independently corrects it, because I don't care to deduce which is stuck whenever it happens; just unstick them all.

At any rate, it's hard to reproduce at will, but seems to happen regardless of the application. The fastest way to induce it however, is to load up http://random.xem.us/rollover.html and register some silly keycount like 40+. Then switch to say, notepad, and notice that typing anything either does nothing because Ctrl is down, or you get uppercased letters because Shift is in its down state, etc.

Anyone ever get this sort of weird state? It might be related to this thread...

itlnstln · « **Reply #324 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 10:45:59 »

Could Sticky Keys be kicking in?

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #325 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 10:53:05 »

at http://random.xem.us/rollover.html when i do QWEJKL + LShift the Lshift doesnt show up, i know it is #7, but i thought shift didnt count...
even stranger is LShift + QWE + JKL, all of the JKL does not always show up.

still really liking the new cherry blue board.

nanu · « **Reply #326 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 11:13:21 »

itlnstln, I disable all Accessibility Options (including disabling utility manager to get another hotkey freed from Windows)

and all of those combos work here, AZ.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #327 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 13:17:17 »

order matters. you can do [QWERTY version of] QWEJKL, then push left shift, and it show up on the above test? im getting some weird results. maybe it is time to restart.

nanu · « **Reply #328 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 13:53:25 »

Buckling_Summer · « **Reply #329 on:** Wed, 16 December 2009, 15:09:50 »

My precious IBM Model M 82G2383 (1995,Lexmark) has the usual 2 key limit

max: 10-key-rollover
min: 2-key-rollover

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #330 on:** Thu, 17 December 2009, 11:34:43 »

ok it works fine after a restart
which then again, was after swapping to blank keycaps...
must have been the korean lettering!

by the way, a totally immaculate blank black keyboard looks awesome.

itlnstln · « **Reply #331 on:** Thu, 17 December 2009, 12:29:34 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;143291

by the way, a totally immaculate blank black keyboard looks awesome.

I am kinda on the fence with this. Indeed, it does look awesome, but at the same time, it also looks unfinished.

Now that I have had a blank keyboard for a couple of months, I think I have reached my personal threshold for typing speed and accuracy. I'm still slow, I still wear out the backspace key, and I still sausage finger everything. I just can't stop thinking about where my fingers are supposed to go when I type. This sucks.

itlnstln · « **Reply #332 on:** Thu, 17 December 2009, 12:43:32 »

The girl or the cat?

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #333 on:** Thu, 17 December 2009, 21:48:57 »

dont get me wrong, ive very much grown to like my printed white hhkb.

AvengeR · « **Reply #334 on:** Fri, 18 December 2009, 14:42:28 »

a good test for gamers is "wde" (or "waq") since that's a pretty common case of ghosting in fps gaming but it isn't widely known.
example: moving forward+strafe right+select a weapon

edit: also "efr" or "esw" if you use esdf instead of wasd

PRISONER 24601 · « **Reply #335 on:** Fri, 25 December 2009, 13:13:29 »

My northgate has eight hundred million key rollover. perfect for TF2

..:: Free Radical ::.. · « **Reply #336 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 10:46:33 »

I get 8 key rollover with a single row (QWER UIOP),
but 2 keys only with different rows (QWAS, QWZX etc.) and only 1 with RTYU

TVS-E Gold

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #337 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 12:35:24 »

no, he has 8 key rollover on QWERUIOP

keyb_gr · « **Reply #338 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 12:48:31 »

Quote from: ripster;145605

So in other words you have 1key rollover. That's pretty funny!

It's unrealistic though. It seems like the TVS Gold uses a fairly straightforward IBM-style keyboard matrix, no diodes and stuff (as I'd have expected). It should always manage 2KRO.

I'd suggest repeating that RTYU test while slowly adding one key at a time, preferably the same with FGHJ.

On my Cherry G80-3000LFADE with old-style Cherry matrix, pressing F - FG - FGH - FGHJ gives F - FG - - in the rollover test. The HEMDE with IBM-style matrix plus Win keys is no different (and will do the same on QWAS). My Model M seems to freeze output and signal an error from the 3rd character on, so the PC speaker starts beeping. Then again, it's on the PS/2 port while the others are on the USB adapter.
EDIT: OK, it's the adapter. A Model M connected there behaves the same as the Cherry boards, so I guess the error causes the adapter to discard all the currently depressed keys.

BTW, ripster, your Cherry doesn't do Ctrl-A-Q? Mine accept Ctrl-Shift-A-Q just fine.

ricercar · « **Reply #339 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 13:59:52 »

Whoa, my HP controller has 4-key rollover minimum. QWAZ ever time. Time to put real switches on that one.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #340 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 15:28:59 »

Quote from: ricercar;145641

Whoa, my HP controller has 4-key rollover minimum. QWAZ ever time. Time to put real switches on that one.

An old-style Cherry matrix can also do that... but fails QWER. What about that?

ricercar · « **Reply #341 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 17:15:51 »

qwer, qwsa. It displays 4 or more unless I press fewer keys.

..:: Free Radical ::.. · « **Reply #342 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 22:57:35 »

ok. on slowly adding it manages RT with RTYU and FG with FGHJ.

Even I was bemused at the 1KRO.
I was pressing down the keys simultaneously.

On the whole i am happy with my keyboard and never had problems while gaming.
Retails for Rs. 1150 (~ $25 ), very cheap compared to how the Filcos are priced.

Currently looking for cheap cherry browns but sadly there is a dearth of options in the Indian market.
There is another obscure manufacturer here named Ritcomp:
http://emitperipherals.com/keyboard.html
which uses Cherry MX switches, dunno which ones. Would be on the look out for em.

..:: Free Radical ::.. · « **Reply #343 on:** Sun, 27 December 2009, 23:59:49 »

They do mention "non tactile" and 60+/-20cn on their web page. So that would be my guess too. It would be funny if they were the elusive red cherries.

..:: Free Radical ::.. · « **Reply #344 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 00:55:14 »

like the browns?

keyb_gr · « **Reply #345 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 06:47:51 »

Less than the browns, actually, since there is no tactile bump (force at the actual operating point is about the same).

alpslover · « **Reply #346 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 10:08:26 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;145615

no, he has 8 key rollover on QWERUIOP

for it to be 8-key rollover, the keyboard would have to correctly register any and all combinations of 8 simultaneously depressed keys. just having one combination of 8 keys register correctly is not sufficient.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #347 on:** Mon, 28 December 2009, 23:24:58 »

for the record, my sarcasm for logitech-key-rollover is very deep.

KloroFormd · « **Reply #348 on:** Tue, 26 January 2010, 22:24:25 »

Logitech Illuminated Keyboard can't register Shift+W+Spacebar.

Can't even run and jump in Half-Life 2. :|

At least the customer service is nice. They're sending me a G110 as a replacement, and I'll post results of that when I get it.

keyb_gr · « **Reply #349 on:** Wed, 27 January 2010, 14:34:43 »

Yeah, it's kinda ironic that fancier illuminated and/or gaming boards tend to have "cost-cutting matrices" while basic $10 corded MS or Logitech jobs have decent ones...

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Author Topic: N-key rollover test. (Read 201959 times)