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Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« on: Mon, 11 March 2013, 21:37:41 »
I recently got my hands on a Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag. I think this is one of the biggest assortments of switches I’ve ever seen and it’s been a lot of fun playing with them.  I thought I’d document my thoughts on each of the switches. The try bag had mainly Cherry and Alps switches with some other specialty ones. It also included some ABS, PBT, and POM caps to try as well. I’ll be including this in my proposed  Keycap Test Tour as soon as I get a moment to ask for donations of keycaps.

Yes, I know they’re not representative of the full keyboard. These are my impression of just the switches. It was cheaper than spending $1000 on all the boards to try each one. And that’s what meets are for anyways. Please check out my post meet review of switches I liked and didn't like. Combined with this review, it gives my overall opinion on many switch variants.

The caps are in order from left to right, top to bottom. I borrowed the pictures from here. I tested all the caps with and without the keycaps with the exception of the Topre and Bucking Spring keychains switches.

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Cherry Switches


MX Blacks: These are very smooth and have a nice springiness on the rebound. There is a pleasant slight resistance as I press down which then seems to guide me into the bottom out. Also very quiet.

MX Blues: My favorite switch until I get to try full keyboards instead of a single switch. They have all the clicks. Well, most of them at least. Bucking springs seem to have more clickyness but more on that later. Blues have a medium actuation. They’re not like Reds which seem to crumple if I sneezed on them. At the actuation point about half way down, the switch clicks and then it feels there’s an impact which is cushioned by a clicky spring.  The rebound has a bit of a two-part feeling (to it but on a keyboard, it doesn’t feel as obvious.

MX Browns: The actuation feels a bit lighter than my blues but heavier than the reds. But it doesn’t feel smooth like the reds and doesn’t have that nice click of a blue. Instead, I feel a weird compromise of a slight bump. It seems on but it can feel almost gritty, as if something got stuck in my Reds and is getting in the way of the travel. On my Filco tenkeypad, the bump is even LESS pronounced. Not my favorite.

MX Clear: This switch is everything the brown isn’t.  The actuation isn’t stupid light. It’s a bit heavier than my blues. And you actually FEEL a bump. When I press down, my feeling senses tell my brain, “Hey, there’s a bump in this thing!” This is in contrast to the feeing I get with Browns where I question whether or not I register a bump. They’re also pretty quiet.  And unlike my blues, the rebound feels pretty smooth. I can definitely see why ergo-clears are popular. If the switch was a touch lighter, it’d be super sexy. I can’t wait to try some out in Chicago.

MX Red: I hate the light actuation on these. It’s so light, that the travel distance seems to be shorter than any other MX switch. I feel like I crash when I bottom out; the feeling is just so sudden. The spring rebound feels weak as well. I do like how quiet and smooth it is though. This might be my least favorite switch.

MX White: Sifo told me in the IRC chat that Whites are lubed from the factory. I definitely believe that, the actuation and rebound are super smooth. Almost MX Black smooth. There’s a wonderful bump like in Clears but there’s also a bit of a click as well. And the dampened click means that the switches are way quieter than my blues. My only complaint is that the actuation seems a little heavier than I’d like. I really like these.
Edit: Since this review, I have bought a Pure with MX White. It has become a daily driver board and my thoughts on the board and the MX White switches can be found here.

Cherry MY: Hm…feels like Cherry MX Reds except the actuation force increases as you bottom out. The actuation is way too light. I can definitely see why “feels like typing on wet newspapers” would be said about these.

Cherry ML: It feels a bit like a cross between a MX Black and Brown if the MX switch actuation distance was cut in half. It’s also pretty quiet. The switches can feel a little rough if you strike the keys at a bit of an angle. I don’t hate them though. Hoping someone can figure out how to lube them. I think that would really help.
Edit: I owned a G84-4100 and it's very tactile. It's a bit crunchy and without lubing. I actually really liked it if they layout wasn't so atrocious. It's pretty quiet as well.


Cherry M7: Apparently this is the predecessor to the MX switch. Feels like a heavy MX Black with a short actuation distance and a sudden bottom out.

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Alps


All the Alps switches have their actuation point at the top instead of the middle like MX switches seem to have. This threw me off when I tried out a Azio Levetron keyboard. That board’s quality was very cheap and the switches felt wobbly and almost unstable. I look forward to trying a quality Alps board such as a Matias Tactile Pro. Note: There was no Blue Alps in this bag unfortunately. The picture of the Blue Alps switch is second from the left.

Tactile Black: These feel like a lighter actuation Clear with an Alps acuation point. There’s definitely a rebound/springiness after the bottom out and a very obvious bump. It’s also very quiet.

Tactile Cream: Like the Tactile Blacks and Orange but very light. A bit lighter than the MX Browns.

Clicky Grey: This switch slightly heavier than the Monterey Blue does and has a quieter click. Mr. Interface says that it’s the basis of the Matias Tactile Pro switch. I really like these and I look forward to trying the Tactile  Pro board out when I go to  MechanicalKeyboards.com’s showroom.

Tactile Orange/Salmon: Feels the same as the black except it takes less force to actuation it. The actuation might be a little lighter than a MX Blue.

Tactile White: It feels like a better version of the Browns. The tactile bump is actually felt but the switch is still pretty light. The bottom out is similar to the Clicky Whites. The only problem is that the switch feels a little rough when I press down.

Clicky White: These feel nice. They’re clicky like blues and the actuation force  even feels a little like blues. But there’s less tactility/bumpiness, just a click. And they’re a little quieter. The bottom out is very sudden and the switch doesn’t really offer any spring force resistsance. Very nice. 

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Other


KPT: Feels like a Monterey Blue with a heavier spring; almost like a MX Black spring. The actuation point is somewhere between an Alps and a Cherry MX. It’s in the upper half of the actuation travel. I actually kind of like these.

Monterey Blue: The stems on these fit an Alps cap. These are like Clicky White Alps but a bit heavier on the actuation and they have a tactility to them. The rebound force feels the same as the pressing/actuation force. I can definitely see why these and the Complicated Blue Alps are so popular.

Fake Monterey MX: Feels like a shoddy version of MX Blues. There’s a bit of a click and bump that’s reminiscent to an MX Brown. Very springy. The bottom out has a weird feeling of wanting to resist but not really. It bounces you back to the actuation point which is semi close to the middle. Not very good at all.

Futaba: Very odd switch. It feels like a springy red with a slight click. Too light for me though.

Acer Black: Feels like a sticky version of the Tactile Orange but the actuation is towards the center. It’s louder and the actuation seems to slide into a groove and then grind a bit to the bottom. The stem fits an Alps cap. Wouldn’t be too bad if it didn’t feel sticky/grindy. Put this in this “it’s a very bad knockoff” pile.

Acer White: Feels like the super poor man version of MX Blues. Same actuation point as the Acer Black. Has an odd resonating bottom out sound. It’s a click but it sounds really hollow. There’s also a stickiness after the actuation like the Acer Black but not as grindy. Again, put this in this “it’s a very bad knockoff” pile.

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Keychains
For me, these were the two switches I was most excited to try out. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, there is SO much hype around these.


Bucking Spring: It feels….it feels. Holy **** this feels amazing. It’s like a heavier  MX blue except it has a kick from the spring buckling. It makes a delightful click and the spring force makes me want to keep pressing it. It’s not that loud but it feels incredible. I can see why this is so wildly popular. I need a Bucking Spring board NOW.


Topre 55g: My reaction to this was the complete opposite of the BS keychain. It feels like a rubber dome with a bit of a “click” in it. No “thock” noise. I was so disappointed with it. I honestly think it feels like my Microsoft Ergo 4k. I’ll still try the Topre boards out but I don’t think I really care for them.

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Final Thoughts: Winners and Losers
So I discovered that I really like clicky switches. I don’t really like linear switches and tactile switches such as the MX clear, Black Alps, and Orange Alps are growing on me. Topre was a huge disappointment and Bucking Spring can’t be overhyped.
Top 3 New Switches
  • MX Whites
  • MX Clears
  • Monterey Blues (Until I try Complicated Blue Alps)/Clicky Grey Alps
Bottom 3 New Switches
  • Topre 55g
  • Acer Black
  • Cherry MY/Monterey MX Clone

Overall I still love MX blues and hate MX reds/browns. Now can someone hook me up with a bucking spring board?? :P
For more information, check out Mr. Interface’s Switch Bag Thread. He’s also posted this video with his thoughts on the switches here.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 11 March 2013, 21:50:37 »
Nice review man! You certainly have a way of writing easy to read reviews etc. :)

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 12:51:02 »
For me, in order of actuation force require- from most force to least force- it's: white alps, blue alps, monterey blues, KPT blues.  That's based on using complete keyboards with those switches.  It's too bad there wasn't an orange omron in that bag...when I had the switch sampler bag there was an orange omron in it.

If you like that buckling spring over membrane you should try capacitive buckling spring. Cap BS feels leagues better than BS over membrane.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 12:58:27 »
Very nice review!
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 13:00:05 »
Great review, OP. I wish more keyboards came with either mx white or clear.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 17:52:39 »
Thanks guys. And I agree with you Keymaster. I want clears or whites for my GH60.

Akimbro, what boards have capacitive Bucking Springs? I don't like the layout of the Model Fs. The function keys on the left side make me cringe.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 19:10:51 »
You need to mod a model F to an ANSI like layout to get a capacitive buckling spring keyboard in a layout you'll recognize.  They are worth it, though.  That said, you can get a model M for much less money and get most of the way there in a more modern layout.

The MX clear and white with lighter springs are my favorite switches.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 19:20:56 »
You need to mod a model F to an ANSI like layout to get a capacitive buckling spring keyboard in a layout you'll recognize.  They are worth it, though.  That said, you can get a model M for much less money and get most of the way there in a more modern layout.

The MX clear and white with lighter springs are my favorite switches.

Oooo, what springs do you swap into your whites?

And I'm hoping to win a Model M at the Chicago meet. Thanks for  the info as well :D

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 19:46:39 »
The ergo whites (skim milk as someone else has called them) in my Poker are using standard light Cherry springs from blues/browns/reds.  I'd like for them to a touch heavier, so I'll probably be trying some Korean springs next.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 20:19:25 »
The ergo whites (skim milk as someone else has called them) in my Poker are using standard light Cherry springs from blues/browns/reds.  I'd like for them to a touch heavier, so I'll probably be trying some Korean springs next.

So is the spring from blues/browns/reds all the same? And ergo whites sounds awesome. =drools=

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 20:21:28 »
Great review, OP. I wish more keyboards came with either mx white or clear.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 21:58:18 »
The ergo whites (skim milk as someone else has called them) in my Poker are using standard light Cherry springs from blues/browns/reds.  I'd like for them to a touch heavier, so I'll probably be trying some Korean springs next.

So is the spring from blues/browns/reds all the same? And ergo whites sounds awesome. =drools=

Yes, as are the heavier springs in the black/green and possibly the white switches.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 22:02:04 »
The ergo whites (skim milk as someone else has called them) in my Poker are using standard light Cherry springs from blues/browns/reds.  I'd like for them to a touch heavier, so I'll probably be trying some Korean springs next.

So is the spring from blues/browns/reds all the same? And ergo whites sounds awesome. =drools=

Yes, as are the heavier springs in the black/green and possibly the white switches.

Thanks for the knowledge bombs :D

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 12 March 2013, 22:35:31 »
Great review. I never really tried Alps unless maybe they we're in an old keyboard years ago.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 13 March 2013, 12:08:50 »
Ya know I have a Mr Interface switch sample bag right now.  The bag introduced me to the glory of Alps and my opinion of Cherry switches have tanked as a result. I like the tactile feedback and the actuation point high in the key travel on most Alps switches. My only complaint about Alps is that most of the switches have higher actuation forces compared to lower actuation Cherry switches.

I felt the buckling spring was overrated because of the actuation force towards the higher end of the spectrum. I need to try out a full board for a definitive opinion.

I need to try out a full Topre board as well but I hear that fans of Alps will love Topre.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 13 March 2013, 22:06:50 »
The alps switches were nice. If I could get some Complicated Blue Alps or Tactile Grey Alps I'd be happy. Or maybe just that Matias Tactile Pro. :D

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 06:05:17 »
The alps switches were nice. If I could get some Complicated Blue Alps or Tactile Grey Alps I'd be happy. Or maybe just that Matias Tactile Pro. :D

My Switch Try Bag does have a complicated Blue Alps. Perhaps I could bring it to the Great Lakes Meetup?  Of course, it's only one switch.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 06:47:45 »
My Switch Try Bag does have a complicated Blue Alps. Perhaps I could bring it to the Great Lakes Meetup?  Of course, it's only one switch.

Mine didn't have one. I believe Mr. Interface used the one from my round for a personal project of his. And I'd be really grateful if you brought it.
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 15:27:43 »
My Switch Try Bag does have a complicated Blue Alps. Perhaps I could bring it to the Great Lakes Meetup?  Of course, it's only one switch.

Mine didn't have one. I believe Mr. Interface used the one from my round for a personal project of his. And I'd be really grateful if you brought it.

I hope that I'll still have it by then. I'll bring and maybe some other switches that were not in your try bag. I might get a request to send the try bag off somewhere. Who knows.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:40:17 »
Awesome overview! Very helpful, especially when it comes to the more obscure switches.

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:41:07 »
I hope that I'll still have it by then. I'll bring and maybe some other switches that were not in your try bag. I might get a request to send the try bag off somewhere. Who knows.

You don't own it?

Awesome overview! Very helpful, especially when it comes to the more obscure switches.

Thank you!

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 15 March 2013, 10:49:38 »
I hope that I'll still have it by then. I'll bring and maybe some other switches that were not in your try bag. I might get a request to send the try bag off somewhere. Who knows.

You don't own it?

Oh no, I got it on a switch try bag tour.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 15 March 2013, 14:47:26 »
can i buy one of these some where?

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 15 March 2013, 15:02:52 »
can i buy one of these some where?

Deskthority might have some. That's where Mr. Interface is mostly. I bought mine from a friend in the IRC.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 15 March 2013, 15:15:41 »
can i buy one of these some where?

Deskthority might have some. That's where Mr. Interface is mostly. I bought mine from a friend in the IRC.

hmm ok. would be cool to have this

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 20 March 2013, 19:07:12 »
The MX clear and white with lighter springs are my favorite switches.

You and I are of like mind there.  I got a bunch of them used for dirt cheap off of Taobao for a switch swap and absolutely love them.  I find the heavier spring hides a little bit of the tactile bump, but once you put in a slightly lighter spring, they become heaven to type on.  I tried Ergo Clears with springs from Reds from my donor board and they felt great, but just a touch too light and sometimes had rebound issues.  I figure 65g Korean springs should be just about perfect.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 01:00:29 »
Might be a noob question, but are there such things as linear alps? Also, for some of your alps reviews, you wrote that they felt like blacks, but lighter than blues/browns? I'm confused.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 26 March 2013, 08:36:18 »
Might be a noob question, but are there such things as linear alps? Also, for some of your alps reviews, you wrote that they felt like blacks, but lighter than blues/browns? I'm confused.

Yes. I know that green and yellow alps are linear but this try bag didn't have those so I can't comment on them.

In regards to feeling like blacks, the switches had a tactile bump at the very top of the travel distance and then felt a lot like blacks after. Because the actuation distance was so high up, they feel a little like blacks to me after I pass the actuation point. I don't have another point of reference for the feeling so I was using that as a reference. The actual force needed to push down felt like browns/blues.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 22:06:23 »
This post needs a sticky. I find myself coming back to it a lot. I hope people bring ergo-clear and ergo-white boards to the Chicago meet. Those are two switches I'm excited to try out.

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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 22:09:48 »
I just got my hands on a white board. So you'll at least have that. Smallfry should be bringing his Leopold with ergo-clears. I'll tell you right now, I got to test ergo whites on hashbaz's Ultimate Switch Tester today and they're amazing.

And thanks for rereading it so much. I'm glad you find it useful keymaster.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 24 May 2013, 13:24:16 »
Did I mention I just got the last one of these bags he sent out!!.....not to get it together and try em out and compare notes.... :)

when I find the time that is  ???
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 24 May 2013, 13:42:00 »
Can't wait to see your thoughts ray4jc

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 24 May 2013, 16:53:32 »
Is it still possibly to try this bag in a loan for a day or two?  I only see a closed purchase thread.  I would love to try all of those switches, and Im very intrigued by MX Clears, Whites, and some other types.
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Re: Mr. Interface Switch Try Bag Review
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 25 May 2013, 04:36:17 »
I'll be setting up a tour for the bag and keycaps very soon. Check out my Wiki page. The entry should be "Keycap/Switch Tour"