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Offline joules

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$1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 06:13:18 »
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321055699833
...you would think that anyone (IBM?) anywhere (IBM?) would get the idea?
Perhaps a MII with extra keys (Supers + Menu)?


anyhow I want one :(

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 06:23:36 »
There neds to be a "Crap Finds" section for things like this XD.
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 06:43:42 »
Well there is a crack in it, near the space bar, I really dig the idea...but this dude is kidding me.
Unless someone buys it then the jokes on me!

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 09:40:52 »
This has been the going rate lately.
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 14:38:25 »
Nothing out of the ordinary really. These are uber rare collectors items.

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 18:09:01 »
So why doesn't IBM mint some new ones?
I'm not getting it.  :confused:

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:11:58 »
Simple, it's a niche market; not enough demand.

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:24:31 »
And IBM has not been in the keyboard business for a couple of decades.
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:27:19 »
WHAT DO THEY DO THEN! :mad:

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:40:59 »
And IBM has not been in the keyboard business for a couple of decades.

Nor can they get back into it easily. They sold Unicomp all the rights and all the tooling. So even if IBM wanted to, they couldn't just start up a production line or two. And with the sale of the PC/laptop division to Lenovo, there's no point in it. What, they're gonna throw in a free keyboard with my Rational license? I mean, not that I'd complain, but seriously. Who are they gonna sell 'em to?
And Lenovo.. yeah. These are the 'great minds' behind the low cost, low quality IdeaPad family. The great minds behind trying to switch ThinkPad keyboards to low quality rubber dome. They have even less interest in producing a high quality keyboard than IBM.
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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:57:40 »
Rootwyrm -

The question came up in another thread, and you are probably the man to ask:

What were the original selling prices for the Model F and Model M, back in the day?
The difference in characterization of crime and who commits it skews what criminality looks like demographically. "What we're seeing so far is very similar to the process that we see with Islamic violent Jihad radicalization," said former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi, "This wanting to belong to a cause greater than yourself, wanting to get affirmation from a group who may not even know who you are or ever met you. And then feeling like you're part of this deployment, this cause. You heard him say on the clip 'It's my job to protect this.'
No, it's not your job. But you think it is. And video last night shows him walking around roaming around with the assault rifle not really doing much of protecting anything." Figliuzzi made it clear that calling these characters "troubled" is a misnomer. "I would assert," Figliuzzi continued. "that it's time we stopped using the word ‘troubled’ with regard to white young people who act out like this and start thinking about the radicalized term that we used when people of color or people of Islamic faith act out like this. This is a radicalization process that's happening. It happened with the El Paso shooter in Texas. We kept hearing he was troubled. No, he was radicalized. And it's happening online."

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Re: $1,249.00 for a IBM Model M15 13H6689?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 17 March 2013, 20:50:36 »
Rootwyrm -

The question came up in another thread, and you are probably the man to ask:

What were the original selling prices for the Model F and Model M, back in the day?


F I don't know. M varied by what you ordered it with, before applicable discounts (which could get really sexy if you ordered with an RS/6000.) The most accurate source for IBM list prices is the IBM price books for the relevant years - which are hard to come by outside of IBM. Also, depending on what type and size of customer, your list price would also vary. The best book to go buy would be IBM GSA - they couldn't sell parts below those prices.

I know that my two M13's were two different prices - one was $329.99 list / $131.60 paid (60 points as part of large purchase), and another was $279.89 discounted (but I don't know how many points were applied on that purchase.) The SSK had five different OPNs with five different prices - again, depending what you ordered it with. Anyone who claims the M13 ever sold below $250 list is wrong. Maybe $240 for TrackPoint II. Best of my recollection, the M4-1 was list $179 though, to give you some idea. TrackPoint was never, ever cheap. Not till post-TPII and they switched to shells on ThinkPad keyboard assemblies. Even then, list as part of a 7014-T42, option 7316-TF3 (1U LCD + ThinkPad keyboard) is still $3000, with the keyboard at $150 list.

But remember that with IBM you have multiple OPNs for the same FRU because it's either as part of a system purchase, an accessory purchase, or an Options purchase. (Which is not the same as accessory - accessory is equivalent to spares system.) So there's actually not one single list price for the M, and a single OPN could map to multiple FRUs. (e.g. 1390131 and 1391401 shared some OPNs as they were functionally identical.)
Taking our 7316-TF3 example again, Feature 6350 (US English keyboard) is a list price of $150 as spare. The functionally equivalent Lenovo 55Y9003 is available for just $59.

The M15 was only ever offered as part of the Options catalog though - $179 without number pad, $199 with number pad.
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