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Offline victheslik

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« Reply #100 on: Fri, 29 August 2008, 14:36:27 »
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« Reply #101 on: Fri, 29 August 2008, 15:08:32 »
I have heard of people having trouble with the 101P on modern computers, but I think you'll be fine with whatever because you have  abase knowledge of how and why this stuff works or doesn't. And I type pretty damned fast myself and I have never had a problem with Alps switches that way, or buckling springs or Cherry switches (except for the browns) or Topre or any others. I remember having a ghost problem on one keyboard but I don't remember which one it was and I have long since thrown it in the garbage I'm sure.
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Offline victheslik

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« Reply #102 on: Fri, 29 August 2008, 15:30:43 »
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« Reply #103 on: Thu, 04 September 2008, 23:35:54 »
For anyone who is interested, I located the Realforce 89UB (Japanese layout) on amazon.co.jp for 17.8k yen (~US$180):

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%9D%B1%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC-Realforce89UB-NF01B0/dp/B000OQDSMW/ref=sr_1_35?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1220589098&sr=8-35

amazon.co.jp won't ship keyboards to the US, but crescent-shop can get them for you.

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Offline Bluemercury

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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 05 September 2008, 16:57:33 »
how does this compare to the happy hacking keyboard pro 2??
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Offline zetan

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« Reply #105 on: Fri, 05 September 2008, 22:40:24 »
Quote from: Bluemercury;8453
how does this compare to the happy hacking keyboard pro 2??


Shape and key touch mainly.

The first one's obvious and I like both the shape and the layout of HHK Pro2 better than those of Realforce (though realforce 86 closes the gap).

For the latter, Realforce is said to be a bit lighter and smoother to type on (all-30g  version of realforce is even lighter). Also, realforce keyboards probably would last longer.

I tried both keyboards myself, and I personally prefer Realforce to HHK Pro2, mainly because I like lighter, tactile key touch. But some people like heavier, more solid keys, in which case they would choose to have a HHKB pro2.

It is unquestionable that both HHK Pro2 and Realforce are superb keyboards.
Which one to pick depends on one's taste-- well, for the most part.
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Offline Korbin

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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 06 September 2008, 16:31:04 »
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Shape and key touch mainly.

The first one's obvious and I like both the shape and the layout of HHK Pro2 better than those of Realforce (though realforce 86 closes the gap).

For the latter, Realforce is said to be a bit lighter and smoother to type on (all-30g  version of realforce is even lighter). Also, realforce keyboards probably would last longer.

I tried both keyboards myself, and I personally prefer Realforce to HHK Pro2, mainly because I like lighter, tactile key touch. But some people like heavier, more solid keys, in which case they would choose to have a HHKB pro2.

It is unquestionable that both HHK Pro2 and Realforce are superb keyboards.
Which one to pick depends on one's taste-- well, for the most part.


Why would you think the Realforce board would last longer? Don't the use the same switch? (other than one being lighter than the other)
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« Reply #108 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 21:47:24 »
My order's being confirmed.
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Offline victheslik

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« Reply #109 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 21:54:52 »
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Offline Waves77

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« Reply #110 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 22:05:18 »
Quote from: xsphat;8570
My order's being confirmed.


Damn dude, you don't waste any time!

I'm really curious how you'll like and how it'll compare to the HHKB (if there's any real difference).
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« Reply #111 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 22:16:19 »
I don't F around, chico (it's a one liner, not a display of racial disaffection).
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« Reply #112 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 22:32:22 »
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(it's a one liner, not a display of racial disaffection).


No problem, I don't think we need to be overcautious and PC either now that we had our little off topic rant over ;)
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« Reply #113 on: Sun, 07 September 2008, 22:57:15 »
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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 00:35:30 »
Still a good choice. Topre makes a black 101 that's Korea only as well.

And I won the M2 but I found a home for it with a writer friend of mine, so today has shaped up to be a good day for keyboarding.

I cannot wait for that Topre 86U to come ...
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« Reply #115 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 00:36:09 »
And I asked about the red Esc key as well.
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Offline Freyth

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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 03:43:18 »
Can the black realforce model still be used outside of Korea? Is it an "English" keyboard?
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Offline Ulysses31

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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 06:31:54 »
Black models only for Korea?  Makes no sense.  Most computer users these days don't have the same aesthetic sense as some IBM drone worker from 1981.  A premium quality keyboard that looks cheap and dated, not so great.  Moot point anyway, it's sold out.
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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 09:09:29 »
Quote from: Ulysses31;8588
Moot point anyway, it's sold out.


That's why I jumped on it as soon as I got the email.
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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 13:47:02 »
Did anyone else here get one of these?
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Offline Bluemercury

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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 15:55:20 »
Quote from: xsphat;8603
Did anyone else here get one of these?


Visually it doesnt seem to touch the hhkp2 from what ai can see, and being a owner of hhkp2.

Still, whats the difference between this and the Topre Realforce91U NG0100 Japanese USB Keyboard????
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« Reply #121 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 16:03:25 »
The 91U features a spacebar the size of a peanut.
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Offline Bluemercury

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« Reply #122 on: Mon, 08 September 2008, 16:09:40 »
Wow, you´re right, didnt saw it, well too bad the black version isnt coming to the benippon site. I might buy another more expensive keyboard but only at the end of the year.
But im enjoying my non clicky hhkp2. Very nice feeling.......
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Offline Skarekrow

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« Reply #123 on: Tue, 09 September 2008, 02:30:58 »
wow that stock sure depleted fast 0_o

Anyone got any news on possible shipment options from Korea? I tried requesting from this site and they are yet to reply:

http://www.buythekorea.com/buy/board.php?board=tnshopmain&command=shop

I sent an item request some time ago and they didnt respond at all =/
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« Reply #124 on: Tue, 09 September 2008, 02:36:21 »
Same here (with Buy The Korea). I kind of doubt they are legit.
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Offline Skarekrow

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« Reply #125 on: Tue, 09 September 2008, 21:38:24 »
"Hello,
 
Thank you for your interest for beNippon.
 
We expect to get the next stock available at end of October,
unfortunately not before.
It will still be the white/grey color, as according to what we heard
from the maker there will, at least for now, be only the white model
available in Japan. We hope this to change in the future, though.
 
Best regards,
Mathieu - beNippon"

next stock is gonna take awhile to get in for the white ones
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« Reply #126 on: Tue, 09 September 2008, 22:42:37 »
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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 10 September 2008, 08:35:18 »
Quote from: victheslik;8633
Well now, Topre Corp. might see how succesful/wanted there new product is, that they will unveil a Realfoce 86uS (S=all 30g keys), and in both colors preferablly black with a red escape *mhmmm*.

-victheslik


Lets see if that site ships to Europe and US...
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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 10 September 2008, 21:57:09 »
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« Reply #129 on: Thu, 11 September 2008, 01:54:44 »
Quote from: Bluemercury;8643
Lets see if that site ships to Europe and US...

and Southeast Asia too ;)
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« Reply #130 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 04:45:03 »
Hi, I live in Berkeley, CA and am using Realforce 86UK (black version). I bought them from Leopold when I was in Korea. Seems like i'm too late to tell anything about this, but anyone who's still interested in getting it?
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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 07:32:01 »
Quote from: Spitfire;8685
Hi, I live in Berkeley, CA and am using Realforce 86UK (black version). I bought them from Leopold when I was in Korea. Seems like i'm too late to tell anything about this, but anyone who's still interested in getting it?


yep. Iam.
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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 07:58:55 »
Ditto!

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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 08:42:00 »
Mine just shipped from Japan.
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« Reply #134 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 08:45:32 »
Quote from: Spitfire;8685
Seems like i'm too late to tell anything about this, but anyone who's still interested in getting it?


yupyup
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« Reply #135 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 09:56:41 »
What are you doing? Are you organizing a mass purchase or something?
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Offline Spitfire

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« Reply #136 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 19:48:33 »
OK, there's 3 ways to buy realforce 86 in the states.

1:
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=133366957&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=%B8%AE%BE%F3%C6%F7%BD%BA&search_keyword=리얼포스

they have realforce 86(english layout - both color), and they ship worldwide. But you have to register...

2.
http://www.gomawa.com/

It's a website like benippon, so you can ask them to buy one from leopold and ship to the states. Seems more reliable than the other website someone found before, but you need to know Korean....

3.
I read articles about overseas shipping in leopold: they said once you send them the money for EMS, they can send it. or, maybe you can try this site:
http://www.iomania.co.kr/
they have realforce 86 black, too.
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Offline Bluemercury

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« Reply #137 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 20:19:38 »
That's all in Korean?I cant understand anything.....:P
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« Reply #138 on: Fri, 12 September 2008, 20:35:07 »
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« Reply #139 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 02:07:01 »
Quote from: Spitfire;8703


3.
I read articles about overseas shipping in leopold: they said once you send them the money for EMS, they can send it.
they have realforce 86 black, too.

Any links to these articles?
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« Reply #140 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 07:48:45 »
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« Reply #141 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 07:56:04 »
Quote from: Bluemercury;8709
Still hard to understand how to order from them.....


http://global.gmarket.co.kr

This appears to be their English site.
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« Reply #142 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 12:12:20 »
Quote from: iMav;8710
http://global.gmarket.co.kr

This appears to be their English site.


Strange the 86kb model doesnt appear there....
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« Reply #143 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 15:48:44 »
Quote from: Skarekrow;8708
Any links to these articles?


http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=guest&sselect=wr_subject%7Cwr_content&stext=%C7%D8%BF%DC&soperator=0&page=1&wr_id=1268

well, the link is in korean. he was asking if he can buy realforce86 at global.gmarket.com and the answer was 'not until late july.' then he again asked if he can get it faster, and they told him to just buy one from them and send money for EMS.


 so I found this in global.gmarket.com :
http://global.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=133366957&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=realforce&search_keyword=realforce

you have to search realforce in korean to find this....
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« Reply #144 on: Sat, 13 September 2008, 15:54:15 »
And, seems like the color selection column is not translated...


색상 (above quantity) means color. 블랙 means black and 화이트 means white.
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« Reply #145 on: Sun, 14 September 2008, 00:16:36 »
Mine, in the proper color, is in [insert big city near to home here]! Soon ...
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Offline Korbin

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« Reply #146 on: Sun, 14 September 2008, 22:33:24 »
Mine came in yesterday.

All I can say is..... wow. I love these switches. This board is basically the HHKB Pro with a slightly less efficient layout (since it uses the normal key layout). The difference in the weighted keys are very suttle and you probably won't notice it over the HHKB Pro.

IMO the topre switches ( whether you get the realforce or the HHKB) are the best switches money can buy. No other switches sounds better, feels better or has a better response than topre switches.... again it is just my opinion. It's really a sad thing that you have to get them shipped to the states to get them.

A big thanks goes out to GeekHack for introducing them (topre switches) to me :P
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« Reply #147 on: Sun, 14 September 2008, 22:48:13 »
Did you get a white one from BeNippon? That's what I am waiting for.
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« Reply #148 on: Sun, 14 September 2008, 22:48:55 »
Quote from: xsphat;8741
Did you get a white one from BeNippon? That's what I am waiting for.


Yup.
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« Reply #149 on: Sun, 14 September 2008, 23:15:10 »
I thought I was the only one here who was gonna have one.

Did it come with few extra keys and a key puller? Did it come with a red Esc key?
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