PBT dyesub 104/105 set ROUND 2 (complete)

[swill]

Any advice on finding a fulltouch caps lock in the same color? Would WASD's "dark grey" match?

I don't think wasd does cherry profile, do they?  So even if the cap color matches, I doubt it would be a good solution.

Oh wow, haha, in my ignorance I didn't realize what "Cherry profile" meant when ordering these.

Well you got lucky and got good quality caps.    Now you can compare and see which profile you prefer.  I prefer cherry profile and I am currently typing on caps which are probably from the same mould as this GB.  They are my daily drivers...

[phoenix1234]

My suggestion is to mod the stem to centre as I did for my imsto set.
It looks ugly because I use resin glue to mod.
The glue is very strong to keep the stem on pbt plastic.
However, in the end, it works perfectly 

[phoenix1234]

I'm still waiting for my blue set from Ivan and I could mod the centre stepped Caps lock again.

[swill]

why are you modding the center caps lock? 

[phoenix1234]

why are you modding the center caps lock?

Sorry, I mean to mod the off-centre stepped caps lock to become centre steppted caps lock as I already did :

[swill]

why are you modding the center caps lock?

Sorry, I mean to mod the off-centre stepped caps lock to become centre steppted caps lock as I already did :

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Oh, I understand...  I see it now when I look at your picture, but I didn't see the level change initially.  Looks pretty good.  does it feel alright?  how did you clip the stem off?

[phoenix1234]

why are you modding the center caps lock?

Sorry, I mean to mod the off-centre stepped caps lock to become centre steppted caps lock as I already did :

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Oh, I understand...  I see it now when I look at your picture, but I didn't see the level change initially.  Looks pretty good.  does it feel alright?  how did you clip the stem off?

Ok, first I use Dremel machine to gradually grind the stem off.
After the original stem was off and destroyed, I used a donor keycap that I had from Taobao, cut it and grind it until I had a balance stem.
Next, I use A-B resin glue to glue the new stem and the pbt caps lock together.
This is the hardest step because making the stem to be centred requires some efforts of measurement and adjustment. For me, I need to lose 2 donor keycaps to make it really works.

After all, the feeling is great. I will take the picture of the keyboard later but for me the position fits nicely with ASD row.

Sorry for potato pic  ;D

[LONGZILLA]

Pretty disappointed about the capslock color issue... is there plans to remedy this in the future still?

[LechnerDE]

Pretty disappointed about the capslock color issue... is there plans to remedy this in the future still?

Yeah, I feel you.

I ordered 3 different sets, but I don't think I will ever use them with this odd capslock key

Maybe Ivan can arrange something with IMSTO and let him produce replacement keys. He could combine it with his current Novelty Key group buy for example.

[IvanIvanovich]

I was hoping I could do that, but sadly the factory that make the keycap don't want to make it easy. They want to enforce 300 MOQ to run that key group mold in beige/grey so it looks like there is nothing I can do about it this time.

[swill]

Sorry for potato pic 

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The set you linked is my daily driver.  The color of the caps lock bugged me for about 3 days.  Now I could care less...  Hopefully you will be happy enough with the way the set feels to not care about that minor detail. 

[JPG]

I was hoping I could do that, but sadly the factory that make the keycap don't want to make it easy. They want to enforce 300 MOQ to run that key group mold in beige/grey so it looks like there is nothing I can do about it this time.

Sad. Very sad ...

[Photoelectric]

Solution: RIT dye.  Or side-stemmed Caps Lock switch placement.

[JPG]

Solution: RIT dye.  Or side-stemmed Caps Lock switch placement.

Or we find a way to reach the 300 moq. For 1 key, I would probably be willing to buy 2-3 to reach moq even if I only need 1, depending on price. Even if only for blank. 300 is a lot for a full set, but for 1 key it's much less. I don't know what are the volumes for the last GB, but maybe we could make an IC/poll to see if we could get this number.

[esoomenona]

That company is very stubborn... they never want to do anything.

Looks like its time for you guys to start modding. As a plus, the stepped caps looks nicer.

[JPG]

That company is very stubborn... they never want to do anything.

Looks like its time for you guys to start modding. As a plus, the stepped caps looks nicer.

I would be happy if the stepped capslock was center stemmed, but it's not (and if I needed an offset stem I would be happy to have it). And if I ever tried to cut the stem and glue it it would be an utter failure, of that I am sure.

[LONGZILLA]

le sigh, shouldn't be necessary to mod/dye/buy something that was sold/marketed as is

/rant, note: not directed to Ivan at all, always appreciative of all your hard work in organizing these GBs

[IvanIvanovich]

Yeah... I get real frustrated with these keycap manufacturers and their stubborn ways. But, they know they essentially have a monopoly (well there is also BSP but they have their own set of other problems to deal with them) for this exact keycaps so they can get away with being as difficult to deal with as they want.

[esoomenona]

You want I go teach 'em a lesson, lysol? Kneecap 'em or somethin'?

[insilica]

You want I go teach 'em a lesson, lysol? Kneecap 'em or somethin'?

Jeeeez chill moose.

I guess the way around is to avoid them in future group buys if at all possible.

[LechnerDE]

Solution: RIT dye.  Or side-stemmed Caps Lock switch placement.

Or we find a way to reach the 300 moq. For 1 key, I would probably be willing to buy 2-3 to reach moq even if I only need 1, depending on price. Even if only for blank. 300 is a lot for a full set, but for 1 key it's much less. I don't know what are the volumes for the last GB, but maybe we could make an IC/poll to see if we could get this number.

Yeah, I'd buy more keys than I need as well if it helps reaching MOQ.

But I assume this is for every color, so we'd probably have to buy 300x caps lock for the Irish set, 300x for the Ural set, etc...

Btw, does the blank set also have the wrong caps lock key or is this problem limited to the dyesub ones?

[SpAmRaY]

I guess the way around is to avoid them in future group buys if at all possible.

But there really is no good/better alternative

[IvanIvanovich]

All the 2tone key have same. It's because of the keys grouping in the molds. We would have to buy 300x caps lock, homing keys, numpad 0 in beige at least and there might even be some others in there. I suppose alternate homing keys are possibly interesting, not sure what else to really do with beige numpad 0 key besides it being useful for keyboard with 2unit shift.

Right, the only other choice is BSP... and they don't even have fulltouch caps locks, 1.25 keys, or SPACEBARS! Plus they cost a lot more too. Easiest solution if they are going to be problem about 2tone is not to do 2tone and stick to single key color.

[Latin00032]

I want to do the stepped caps mod to make it center stemmed. I'm just afraid to mess it up.

[esoomenona]

I'm sure there are tons of people who don't ever use the stepped caps and it doesn't bother them who would give it up in case someone messed up their mod.

Though, in reality, it should be easy to fix if you mess up. Just Dremel it out again and use another stem and try again. As long as you don't Dremel too much, and have and endless supply of donor stem caps, you're good.

[swill]

All the 2tone key have same. It's because of the keys grouping in the molds. We would have to buy 300x caps lock, homing keys, numpad 0 in beige at least and there might even be some others in there. I suppose alternate homing keys are possibly interesting, not sure what else to really do with beige numpad 0 key besides it being useful for keyboard with 2unit shift.

Right, the only other choice is BSP... and they don't even have fulltouch caps locks, 1.25 keys, or SPACEBARS! Plus they cost a lot more too. Easiest solution if they are going to be problem about 2tone is not to do 2tone and stick to single key color.

I think some people may like the dark home keys.  Hey it frames GH.    The 0 could potentially be useful for some people if we just get it as a blank cap...

[cgbuen]

I'm down if we try hitting the 300 MOQ for the fulltouch caps lock mold group in the beige color. I'm sure it would help for buyers of previous two-tone GBs too.

Or another solution would be like Ivan said, start up a GB for inverted two-tone sets, which is an interesting idea in itself. This would be done knowing that they'll have the same fulltouch caps lock error (beige alphas, white mods, but incorrect beige fulltouch caps lock). And then, people who participated in both this and that GB can switch the two proper keys once they receive the sets.

Possibly unlikely due to knowing full well that there's going to be an "error" with the GB beforehand, but just a suggestion.

[esoomenona]

Plus, as a plus in the inverted mods, we could do 1x numpad 0 and maybe 00.

[LONGZILLA]

I'm down if we try hitting the 300 MOQ for the fulltouch caps lock mold group in the beige color. I'm sure it would help for buyers of previous two-tone GBs too.

Or another solution would be like Ivan said, start up a GB for inverted two-tone sets, which is an interesting idea in itself. This would be done knowing that they'll have the same fulltouch caps lock error (beige alphas, white mods, but incorrect beige fulltouch caps lock). And then, people who participated in both this and that GB can switch the two proper keys once they receive the sets.

Possibly unlikely due to knowing full well that there's going to be an "error" with the GB beforehand, but just a suggestion.

Just my opinion, but I don't think this manufacture deserves even more of our money

[JPG]

I'm down if we try hitting the 300 MOQ for the fulltouch caps lock mold group in the beige color. I'm sure it would help for buyers of previous two-tone GBs too.

Or another solution would be like Ivan said, start up a GB for inverted two-tone sets, which is an interesting idea in itself. This would be done knowing that they'll have the same fulltouch caps lock error (beige alphas, white mods, but incorrect beige fulltouch caps lock). And then, people who participated in both this and that GB can switch the two proper keys once they receive the sets.

Possibly unlikely due to knowing full well that there's going to be an "error" with the GB beforehand, but just a suggestion.

If we get a new mold done (I doubt it, but we never know) it would be nice to also get the \ key (above enter) in the same color scheme as the mods to make it symmetric!

[esoomenona]

@longzilla - I can understand your point of view, but these are really the only place to get these thick Cherry profile PBT caps in custom designs at a nice price. Its not always so easy to walk away.

[Photoelectric]

Exactly, you can pay $120-130 for BSP PBT and not get any 1.25 modifiers and no space bar at all.

[IvanIvanovich]

Whoneedsspacebarsanyway...whatastupiduselesskeythatis!

[rindorbrot]

I still want pictures!

[phoenix1234]

Sorry for potato pic 

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The set you linked is my daily driver.  The color of the caps lock bugged me for about 3 days.  Now I could care less...  Hopefully you will be happy enough with the way the set feels to not care about that minor detail.

For me, I used this keyboard for small tasks required moving around.
The centre stepped cap locks is acceptable for me.
Here is a better picture

[insilica]

Sorry for potato pic 

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The set you linked is my daily driver.  The color of the caps lock bugged me for about 3 days.  Now I could care less...  Hopefully you will be happy enough with the way the set feels to not care about that minor detail.

For me, I used this keyboard for small tasks required moving around.
The centre stepped cap locks is acceptable for me.
Here is a better picture

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Hmm this doesn't look half bad TBH. I may do the same albeit with black donor caps.

[IvanIvanovich]

All orders ship as of today.

[Photoelectric]

Did my order go out today or earlier?  Is curious!

[rowdy]

All orders ship as of today.

Excite!  Thank!

Plus another keyboard shipped yesterday too - let's see which arrives first ...

The plan is to unite them when they arrive.

[deSheol]

Let me know if you'd get tired of the PBT set, mate. I am interested in them! 

All orders ship as of today.

Excite!  Thank!

Plus another keyboard shipped yesterday too - let's see which arrives first ...

The plan is to unite them when they arrive.

[tobr1an]

Did my order go out today or earlier?  Is curious!

Me too!@

[blighty]

It's a shame about the full touch, but it just means I'll have to find a custom board to put my round 1 alphas with my round 2 mods.  Thanks again, lysol/Ivan 

[Puddsy]

It's a shame about the full touch, but it just means I'll have to find a custom board to put my round 1 alphas with my round 2 mods.  Thanks again, lysol/Ivan 

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That's quite a looker. Is that MJ2 stock white or did you paint it?

[IvanIvanovich]

If you're in the USA and haven't gotten your order already it was most likely either shipped Monday or Today. For the most part I sent out orders by forum name alphabetically.

[Cafiend]

I like the sorting. Thanks man!

[blighty]

It's a shame about the full touch, but it just means I'll have to find a custom board to put my round 1 alphas with my round 2 mods.  Thanks again, lysol/Ivan 

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That's quite a looker. Is that MJ2 stock white or did you paint it?

It's a stock off-white Filco Ninja (MX Blacks).  My 'daily' driver.

[Photoelectric]

If you're in the USA and haven't gotten your order already it was most likely either shipped Monday or Today. For the most part I sent out orders by forum name alphabetically.

That should teach me to begin my user names with A or a 0

[IvanIvanovich]

Sometime I send out by invoice number, or paid on date or...

[Photoelectric]

Sometime I send out by invoice number, or paid on date or...

...and order within the first day of GB's opening!  Min-maxing my group buy experience 

[berrymxblue]

Are there any extras that anyone is trying to unload, please let me know!