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Re: IBM screenreader (buckling spring numberpad)
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 22 March 2016, 05:02:26 »
I just found this forum because while cleaning out a closet, I came across my wife's IBM SCREEN READER MODEL M from 1988.  I believe the inventor, Jim Thatcher, gave it to her directly while she was a temporary employee of IBM.  I also have the VOTRAX MODEL 200  PERSONAL SPEECH SYSTEM (and power supply) that she used with it, plus cables.  I see one IBM Model M listed on eBay for over $200, but no Votrax units, and I'm wondering if that is the best way to sell these items.  The last post in this forum says "we are up to 3 now," and I'm not sure what that means.

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Is your wife visually impaired?  Just wondering how yesterday's technology, like this IBM unit, compares to what's available today (not that I know too much about it, but have heard a few mentions on various podcasts).
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Re: IBM screenreader (buckling spring numberpad)
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 23 March 2016, 08:35:23 »
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Is your wife visually impaired?  Just wondering how yesterday's technology, like this IBM unit, compares to what's available today (not that I know too much about it, but have heard a few mentions on various podcasts).

Yes.  She uses the JAWS Screen Reader now and has for years, both for work (she's retired now) and at home.  The IBM Screen Reader worked differently, as I recall, monitoring various parts of the screen for changes which it read out.  The screen images were a lot simpler back in those days; but with all the windows and pop-ups today, that technology would no longer work.  Today's screen readers rely on things like buttons and images that are labeled with alternate text or other predefined means, for example, and they don't require a separate keypad.  They are far from perfect (they miss some popups, for example), but they make an amazing accessibility difference.

As an aside, she tried to switch from a PC to a Mac last year, in part because the screen reading software on the iPhone is very good and it's included (read free) on the Apple products.  But the implementation on the Mac was terrible, written to a programmer's model of containers, entering and exiting areas of the screen, with inconsistent ways of moving around.  She had t give up the Mac and return to a PC with JAWS.

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Re: IBM screenreader (buckling spring numberpad)
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 05:45:05 »
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Is your wife visually impaired?  Just wondering how yesterday's technology, like this IBM unit, compares to what's available today (not that I know too much about it, but have heard a few mentions on various podcasts).

Yes.  She uses the JAWS Screen Reader now and has for years, both for work (she's retired now) and at home.  The IBM Screen Reader worked differently, as I recall, monitoring various parts of the screen for changes which it read out.  The screen images were a lot simpler back in those days; but with all the windows and pop-ups today, that technology would no longer work.  Today's screen readers rely on things like buttons and images that are labeled with alternate text or other predefined means, for example, and they don't require a separate keypad.  They are far from perfect (they miss some popups, for example), but they make an amazing accessibility difference.

As an aside, she tried to switch from a PC to a Mac last year, in part because the screen reading software on the iPhone is very good and it's included (read free) on the Apple products.  But the implementation on the Mac was terrible, written to a programmer's model of containers, entering and exiting areas of the screen, with inconsistent ways of moving around.  She had t give up the Mac and return to a PC with JAWS.

Cool, thanks for that!

JAWS has been around for more than 20 years :eek:

Apparently there's some good screen readers for Linux these days, or so I've heard on a couple of podcasts.  A shame about Apple's attempt though.
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NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

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Re: IBM screenreader (buckling spring numberpad)
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 20 October 2019, 10:59:21 »
Old thread but just wanted to share some pictures of a Screen Reader including some interesting accessories I recently scored on eBay.

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