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What the title says.  Keyboard is a bit dirty, but seller claims all the keys work and included a return period.
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That does not sound bad, since domestic shipping is $15.

The chassis is crap but those switches are exquisite. It should clean up pretty well.

I learned only recently that Monterey keycaps are interchangeable with Alps, so that should open a few possibilities.
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I should clarify that the $35 includes shipping.
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That does not sound bad, since domestic shipping is $15.

The chassis is crap but those switches are exquisite. It should clean up pretty well.

I learned only recently that Monterey keycaps are interchangeable with Alps, so that should open a few possibilities.

Also I have plans to possibly throw these switches on a different keyboard.
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Also I have plans to possibly throw these switches on a different keyboard.



My comment about shipping was to say that the board actually only cost $20

It is my understanding that the Monterey switches are not compatible with anything else. I wish they were, if there were better options.
"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
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Indeed a sad day, as Montery switches have a different pin configuration. :(

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I tried to use a credit card to buy mine at the e-cycler and since it was a $1 the guy just laughed and gave it to me.

I always bring cash now :p


Deals like these require a lot of work digging through garbage so I wouldn't consider the price you paid too unreasonable. It's a very pleasant clicky switch. (IMO superior to the MX blue)

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I tried to use a credit card to buy mine at the e-cycler and since it was a $1 the guy just laughed and gave it to me.

I always bring cash now :p

Doing it wrong. Let them laugh if everything is free!

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Indeed a sad day, as Montery switches have a different pin configuration. :(

I have heard this.  But not a sad day because I have an Apple board with white SMK switches.  Hopefully, the pins will line up.
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Way back in a dusty corner of my mind I have plans to see what's possible with modding a Chicony.  Plate mounted Montereys in a proper case would be amazing.

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What the title says.  Keyboard is a bit dirty, but seller claims all the keys work and included a return period.

Also I should clarify, by a bit dirty I mean the keyboard may attempt to frisk you at any moment.  Excuse me I'm experimenting with different types of humor.
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Way back in a dusty corner of my mind I have plans to see what's possible with modding a Chicony.  Plate mounted Montereys in a proper case would be amazing.

This really needs to happen. Spaghetti wiring it to a teensy seems the best option to me at this point. Straight column unix layout anyone?

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Just got the keyboard in the mail today.  These switches are pretty amazing.  I will compare the mounting with my Apple IIGS with white SMK switches and might throw them in that keyboard.

The case and build quality of the case, on the other hand, are as cheap and flimsy as advertised.
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Re: Just scored Chicony 5181 (Monterey blue) for $35 total. Is this a good deal?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 00:34:10 »
In case you’re still around, did you successfully mount the blue SMK switches on your Apple M0330 keyboard?

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 13:10:45 »
In case you’re still around, did you successfully mount the blue SMK switches on your Apple M0330 keyboard?

No, I have not got around to it, but I still have plan to do it.  I have developed an awful habit of procrastinating.  And it's been way too cold for me to do any sort of soldering work in my well-ventilated spaces.
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Re: Just scored Chicony 5181 (Monterey blue) for $35 total. Is this a good deal?
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 17:35:50 »
The white and blue versions are virtually identical, and they are interchangeable. The white ones click if you put a blue slider in them — although the white ones have a different leaf, the "tactile" leaf will click if a clicky slider is fitted. The tactile version is achieved with a chamfered slider, not a tactile leaf.
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Re: Just scored Chicony 5181 (Monterey blue) for $35 total. Is this a good deal?
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 19:27:28 »
The white and blue versions are virtually identical, and they are interchangeable. The white ones click if you put a blue slider in them — although the white ones have a different leaf, the "tactile" leaf will click if a clicky slider is fitted. The tactile version is achieved with a chamfered slider, not a tactile leaf.

Would I need to exchange anything in addition to the slider?  If I only need to switch out the slider, I will switch away.

I tried to open the sliders before, and I had some trouble.
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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 19:33:32 »
I don't think they come apart without being desoldered. The upper shell is retained by clips that descend below the plate. They're hard to enough to get apart when they *are* desoldered, and reassembling them makes suicide look quite tempting. They're one of the most awkward switches to work on I've ever seen — worse than Alps clones. It's the horror of Alps clones mixed with the horror of SMK linears. I never did get the blue one back together properly; I just gave up.

You're better off with a straight swap out.
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 20:02:41 »
I don't think they come apart without being desoldered. The upper shell is retained by clips that descend below the plate. They're hard to enough to get apart when they *are* desoldered, and reassembling them makes suicide look quite tempting. They're one of the most awkward switches to work on I've ever seen — worse than Alps clones. It's the horror of Alps clones mixed with the horror of SMK linears. I never did get the blue one back together properly; I just gave up.

You're better off with a straight swap out.

Yea, I just messed around with it for a bit.  One switch in the Chicony board just kinda fell out awhile back, so I took that one apart.  It was rather difficult to take it apart unsoldered, and when the innards splattered everywhere, I had no clue how to put it back together.

When I tried to disassemble a switch that was soldered to the PCB, I nearly pulled it out of the PCB.  So I will stay away from that method.  When the mercury breaches 40 F around here, I probably will set up shop in the garage and get this taken care of.
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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 06 February 2014, 23:41:10 »
So I just did swap blue clicky SMK switches into an M0330 that previously had white tactile switches.

Wow. I never realized how much keycaps could screw up a switch...
Apparently, the double-shot keycaps used on the version of the M0330 keyboard with SMK switches have stems that are an extra .1 mm fatter than usual for Alps keycaps, with the result that they substantially interfere with the SMK switches, which have very tight tolerances.

On a handful of switches, this results in the switch completely sticking at the bottom (the Chicony board has more switches than the Apple board, so I just didn’t use those particular ones), but on all of them, there’s a lot of increased friction between slider and housing.

It’s really too bad, because with almost any other Alps-compatible keycaps, both the SMK blue and the SMK white switches are pretty nice (though the blue ones have noticeably sharper tactility and so are IMO rather nicer).

I wonder how many people got one of these IIGS boards and dismissed it as being tough and frictiony, or set it aside for having some sticking keys.

* * *

If anyone has one of the M0330s made in Japan, with the orange Alps switches, I’d love to trade keycaps: these are some of the nicest ABS double-shots I’ve seen from that era, in that they are basically not yellowed at all, and have full top texture, no shine. I think the keyboard must have mostly sat around in a box or something. The keycaps are nice and thick and work great on Alps switches. [Though there maybe won’t be any particular advantage relative to the dye-subbed PBT caps that came with the Japanese board.]

Alternately, if someone is trying to sell a made-in-Japan M0330 (i.e. 658-4081) for a reasonable price, I’d happily buy it: I can swap the keycaps on the two keyboards, and sell one back to someone else.

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prdlm2009: you should not swap these switches by taking them apart. You should desolder/solder them as whole switches. These things are a real pain to take apart and put back together.
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Re: Just scored Chicony 5181 (Monterey blue) for $35 total. Is this a good deal?
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 09:52:18 »
So I just did swap blue clicky SMK switches into an M0330 that previously had white tactile switches.

Wow. I never realized how much keycaps could screw up a switch...
Apparently, the double-shot keycaps used on the version of the M0330 keyboard with SMK switches have stems that are an extra .1 mm fatter than usual for Alps keycaps, with the result that they substantially interfere with the SMK switches, which have very tight tolerances.

On a handful of switches, this results in the switch completely sticking at the bottom (the Chicony board has more switches than the Apple board, so I just didn’t use those particular ones), but on all of them, there’s a lot of increased friction between slider and housing.

It’s really too bad, because with almost any other Alps-compatible keycaps, both the SMK blue and the SMK white switches are pretty nice (though the blue ones have noticeably sharper tactility and so are IMO rather nicer).

I wonder how many people got one of these IIGS boards and dismissed it as being tough and frictiony, or set it aside for having some sticking keys.

* * *

If anyone has one of the M0330s made in Japan, with the orange Alps switches, I’d love to trade keycaps: these are some of the nicest ABS double-shots I’ve seen from that era, in that they are basically not yellowed at all, and have full top texture, no shine. I think the keyboard must have mostly sat around in a box or something. The keycaps are nice and thick and work great on Alps switches. [Though there maybe won’t be any particular advantage relative to the dye-subbed PBT caps that came with the Japanese board.]

Alternately, if someone is trying to sell a made-in-Japan M0330 (i.e. 658-4081) for a reasonable price, I’d happily buy it: I can swap the keycaps on the two keyboards, and sell one back to someone else.

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prdlm2009: you should not swap these switches by taking them apart. You should desolder/solder them as whole switches. These things are a real pain to take apart and put back together.


Thanks for the thoughts.  I disassembled one switch, and then realized it would be more trouble than it's worth.  It also might be impossible to disassembled the switch without ripping it out of the solder.

I did have a couple made in Japan (658-4081) orange Alps boards laying around, but I sold them a couple months ago.

With the Apple IIGS boards, I found that the ones with white SMK switches and doubleshot keycaps are made in Taiwan with part number A9M0330 (or something like that).  The ones with Orange Alps are made in Japan, and the keycaps were not doubleshot.  They also might be PBT keycaps because they were less susceptible to fading.  I took some photos here and the deskthority wiki has some more information.

http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/apple-desktop-bus-keyboards-or-apple-iigs-t6375.html

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus_Keyboard
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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 10:44:13 »
Yeah, the Made in Japan ones are dye-subbed PBT caps and orange Alps switches, whereas the Made in Taiwan ones are double-shot ABS caps (with the extra fat stems) and white SMK switches.

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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 15:55:51 »
Yeah, the Made in Japan ones are dye-subbed PBT caps and orange Alps switches, whereas the Made in Taiwan ones are double-shot ABS caps (with the extra fat stems) and white SMK switches.

Overall, I have to say that I prefer the A9M0330 over the Made in Japan/Orange Alps version.  Something about those SMK switches.
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 20:06:58 »
The SMK switches are sweet, especially with any other caps than the ones that come on the A9M0330. :-)