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Matias keycaps you would buy...

Dye sub legends on Thick PBT
246 (24.6%)
Laser legends on Thick PBT
72 (7.2%)
Laser legends on Thick ABS
15 (1.5%)
Backlit ABS
26 (2.6%)
Doubleshot ABS
101 (10.1%)
Black legends on White caps
73 (7.3%)
Red legends on White caps
42 (4.2%)
Blue legends on White caps
59 (5.9%)
White legends on Black caps
64 (6.4%)
White legends on Red caps
31 (3.1%)
White legends on Blue caps
38 (3.8%)
Other colours (specified in the comment field)
35 (3.5%)
Blanks (no legends)
117 (11.7%)
Black legends on Grey caps
54 (5.4%)
White legends on Grey caps
29 (2.9%)

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Offline Touch_It

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #300 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 20:37:45 »

This division looks great. But I still find it a little wasteful to buy a full set for my 60% keyboard. There are almost half of the set that I will not use and I can't think of something to do with these caps.
That's just how buying keycaps works. We all end up with leftover keys, esp. when its a group buy.


Yes, that's because keycap tooling is generally designed to do all the keys together -- including ones you don't need.

If you had separate tooling for each keycap size and profile, it would be insanely expensive.
I understand. Hope my comment didn't sound like a complaint. I was just observing the facts of life.

One day we'll all have replicators. Then I can go up to it when I want a new cap, like, "T, grey, doubleshot."
I c what you did there.  Also that would be awesome.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #301 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 20:49:05 »

This division looks great. But I still find it a little wasteful to buy a full set for my 60% keyboard. There are almost half of the set that I will not use and I can't think of something to do with these caps.
That's just how buying keycaps works. We all end up with leftover keys, esp. when its a group buy.


Yes, that's because keycap tooling is generally designed to do all the keys together -- including ones you don't need.

If you had separate tooling for each keycap size and profile, it would be insanely expensive.
I understand. Hope my comment didn't sound like a complaint. I was just observing the facts of life.

One day we'll all have replicators. Then I can go up to it when I want a new cap, like, "T, grey, doubleshot."
I c what you did there.  Also that would be awesome.
Yes, it would. Although I think even the Enterprise D's main computer would crash trying to make sense of the historical Alps stabilizer situation.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #302 on: Mon, 06 April 2015, 21:17:48 »

One day we'll all have replicators. Then I can go up to it when I want a new cap, like, "T, grey, doubleshot."

I c what you did there.  Also that would be awesome.

Yes, it would. Although I think even the Enterprise D's main computer would crash trying to make sense of the historical Alps stabilizer situation.


Fortunately, it's a problem that only needs to be solved once.  :-)



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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #303 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 10:47:50 »
Will these caps be compatible with infinity stabilizers?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #304 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:31:48 »
Will these caps be compatible with infinity stabilizers?

Only the Signature Plastics ones / doubleshots

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« Reply #305 on: Mon, 13 April 2015, 12:52:07 »
Will these caps be compatible with infinity stabilizers?

Only the Signature Plastics ones / doubleshots
Sad to know this. I am using a KBP V60 with Matias switches. In general it's a great keyboard but it's not programmable. I was hoping to get an infinity PCB to replace the current PCB.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #306 on: Thu, 16 April 2015, 19:45:47 »
How is the tooling going? :)
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #307 on: Fri, 17 April 2015, 02:03:54 »
I noticed that this set perfectly(including correct rows) fits in a 75% and in a 40%.

I imagine Matias switches could become more popular because of those two sizes becoming more popular and Cherry sets having problems with caps for them.

EDIT: fixed 40%(now 41% i guess)
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #308 on: Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:31:18 »
I noticed that this set perfectly(including correct rows) fits in a 75% and in a 40%.

I imagine Matias switches could become more popular because of those two sizes becoming more popular and Cherry sets having problems with caps for them.

EDIT: fixed 40%(now 41% i guess)

I was just thinking the same thing, actually. And if you were going for something ortholinear, like the Planck, then you could fill that with just the alphanumerics, since that nice R1_2x1 is there for the numpad 0!
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #309 on: Sat, 16 May 2015, 08:26:35 »
Hi Matias. Any update on the keycaps?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #310 on: Wed, 27 May 2015, 03:58:52 »
So, if I have understood it correctly, the first launch of new keycaps will be thick blank PBT? Is there a approximate time schedule for the releases? I'm really looking forward to thick doubleshot nordic ABS-caps ^_^ (will that be for real?).

Offline IAmTheGuy

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #311 on: Thu, 28 May 2015, 18:21:29 »
Hi Matias. Any update on the keycaps?

Yes, I've been waiting this for quite a while O.O.  Is it coming this year?

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #312 on: Fri, 29 May 2015, 07:42:40 »
Hi Matias. Any update on the keycaps?

Yes, I've been waiting this for quite a while O.O.  Is it coming this year?

Someone on Rededit said they contacted Matias and was told not until next year.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #313 on: Sat, 20 June 2015, 05:04:18 »
Any updates for the availability of PBT Blank Black keycap sets?

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« Reply #314 on: Sun, 21 June 2015, 17:36:44 »
Any updates for the availability of PBT Blank Black keycap sets?

Our PBT tooling is already underway!  We expect to have samples in about a month.

I'll probably be going to China again in August or Sept.

FYI, we have ABS Blanks available now.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #315 on: Sun, 21 June 2015, 22:33:48 »
Thanks for the update! looking forward to seeing the PBT caps, I'm already using ABS ones at present,  but they've gone shiny on me. :(

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« Reply #316 on: Mon, 22 June 2015, 01:21:03 »
Thanks for the update! looking forward to seeing the PBT caps, I'm already using ABS ones at present,  but they've gone shiny on me. :(

Yeah, ABS will do that.

We're VERY excited about the new caps.  PBT will be a big improvement...


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« Reply #317 on: Mon, 22 June 2015, 01:29:35 »
If you know or can talk about pricing would the price be similar to your ABS offerings?


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« Reply #318 on: Mon, 22 June 2015, 01:41:57 »
If you know or can talk about pricing would the price be similar to your ABS offerings?

Blanks will be similar in cost, but printed sets will probably be more due to the extra cost/complexity for dye sub.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #319 on: Wed, 24 June 2015, 16:52:35 »
You really need pictures of the caps on the website Matias. :mad:

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #320 on: Sun, 05 July 2015, 14:15:04 »
Hi Matias, what legend options are considered for black PBT caps? I really want a set of black caps with legends, but top-printed laser-etched ones are so prone to stain that they look dirty after a while.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #321 on: Wed, 08 July 2015, 07:00:50 »
Any chance of Dvorak keys with Mac legends and extra symbols? Don't really care what the material is!

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« Reply #322 on: Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:51:31 »
I think I'm going to die waiting for these PBT caps to become a reality. I just want blanks and some of those sexy mini spacebars for my custom design. C'mon Matias you can do it!

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #323 on: Thu, 30 July 2015, 07:59:48 »
Matias pls

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« Reply #324 on: Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:34:34 »
Don't worry and (of course) don't die.   :)

The tooling for PBT caps is well underway.  I'm spending most of Sept in China, and reviewing the new PBT keycap samples is one of the things I'll be doing.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #325 on: Thu, 30 July 2015, 17:30:38 »
Edgar,

What would I have to do to get you to make PBT keys for my two Laptop Pro keyboards with a Dvorak layout?

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« Reply #326 on: Thu, 30 July 2015, 19:28:18 »
What would I have to do to get you to make PBT keys for my two Laptop Pro keyboards with a Dvorak layout?


PBT Dvorak sets are definitely going to be available.

PM me your contact info and we'll notify you when they are ready.


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« Reply #327 on: Thu, 30 July 2015, 21:32:18 »
PBT Dvorak sets are definitely going to be available.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #328 on: Fri, 31 July 2015, 08:03:34 »
With Blank PBT Keycaps, they can be Any layout I want!  :p

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« Reply #329 on: Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:24:48 »
With Blank PBT Keycaps, they can be Any layout I want!  :p
This is true.  Some like legends, though I especially appreciate the secondary option-key legends on Matias' Mac keys and am really looking forward to a set that has them in the right place.  I've been waiting for over ten years for a legitimate Matias-made set of keys with a DSK layout.  PBT just makes it a bonus.  Super stoked.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #330 on: Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:50:20 »
Can we already order the PBT blanks?

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #331 on: Sun, 30 August 2015, 20:06:30 »
Matias, are there any plans to make PBT keycaps available for the Ergo Pro? And if so, would it be ANSI only or would you also cover UK ISO?

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« Reply #332 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 03:44:31 »
Matias, are there any plans to make PBT keycaps available for the Ergo Pro? And if so, would it be ANSI only or would you also cover UK ISO?


Yes, it's being done now.  We'll have ANSI, ISO, and Dvorak.  I'm spending most of this month in China to finalize the tooling.




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« Reply #333 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 16:09:46 »
Matias, are there any plans to make PBT keycaps available for the Ergo Pro? And if so, would it be ANSI only or would you also cover UK ISO?


Yes, it's being done now.  We'll have ANSI, ISO, and Dvorak.  I'm spending most of this month in China to finalize the tooling.
How are the legends printed? I am especially interested in black keycaps. Are they going to be black on black dye-sub or some other method? Also, will there be ctrl keycap that fits caps lock place?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #334 on: Sun, 20 September 2015, 21:23:29 »
I'm surprised more people aren't interested in backlit keycaps. That would be my first choice, followed by double-shot (although double-shot is the best way of making backlit keys, as opposed to painting over translucent keys). I would say make all the double-shot keycaps with translucent  inserts; that way the caps can be used on both backlit and non-backlit boards.

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« Reply #335 on: Sun, 20 September 2015, 23:11:16 »
Personally, I think it's because a lot of backlit options sort of suck.  The ones that are "thin skin over clear cap" tend to wear through, and overall it tends to limit your positioning and choice of legends.  Probably a bit less with Matias (and Gateron) switches than Cherry, as they can diffuse the light a bit.

The backlit feature also tends to be mostly on "gamer" focused boards, and I suspect ALPS-style switches as a whole are more a "grown up" taste.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #336 on: Sun, 20 September 2015, 23:28:41 »
I agree that most backlit keycaps suck - no matter how good the paint is, it will still wear out unlike double shot. But if Matias is going to be making double shot keycaps anyways, it makes sense to make them backlight compatible; whether users want to take advantage of that or not is their choice. Using a translucent material for the legends doesn't affect the quality.

Haha I don't know how "grown up" I am in most ways, but I definitely have "grown up" tastes in keyboards. I've never had an appreciation for the "gamer" aesthetic in PC hardware, including all those multi coloured LEDs. But I think some simplewhite backlighting, like on most higher end laptops these days, would be quite useful. It's not uncommon for people to work on a computer without the lights on.

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« Reply #337 on: Mon, 21 September 2015, 09:10:05 »
I'm surprised more people aren't interested in backlit keycaps. That would be my first choice, followed by double-shot (although double-shot is the best way of making backlit keys, as opposed to painting over translucent keys). I would say make all the double-shot keycaps with translucent  inserts; that way the caps can be used on both backlit and non-backlit boards.
I think the main problem is there are so few ALPS boards with backlit.
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« Reply #338 on: Mon, 21 September 2015, 21:07:52 »
I agree that most backlit keycaps suck - no matter how good the paint is, it will still wear out unlike double shot. But if Matias is going to be making double shot keycaps anyways, it makes sense to make them backlight compatible; whether users want to take advantage of that or not is their choice. Using a translucent material for the legends doesn't affect the quality.

Haha I don't know how "grown up" I am in most ways, but I definitely have "grown up" tastes in keyboards. I've never had an appreciation for the "gamer" aesthetic in PC hardware, including all those multi coloured LEDs. But I think some simplewhite backlighting, like on most higher end laptops these days, would be quite useful. It's not uncommon for people to work on a computer without the lights on.
It may not affect the quality, but clear legends are not appealing. Most doubleshot sets use interesting colors, and clear is not an interesting color.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #339 on: Mon, 21 September 2015, 23:33:03 »
It may not affect the quality, but clear legends are not appealing. Most doubleshot sets use interesting colors, and clear is not an interesting color.
Maybe I'm just boring, but I don't want "interesting" colours on my keyboard. I just want professional looking legends that won't wear out, and backlighting for when I'm working in the dark.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #340 on: Tue, 22 September 2015, 01:21:10 »
AFAICT the molds being worked on currently are for PBT blank/dyesub. The only doubleshots mentioned in this thread (to the best of my memory - I didn't re-read the whole thing) were from Signature Plastics. Has anybody asked SP if they can do transparent (POM?) legends?

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« Reply #341 on: Tue, 22 September 2015, 12:02:19 »

Yes, the tooling we're doing is for PBT blank/dyesub/laser and also for ABS blank/laser/backlit caps.  I'm in China now.  We hope to have it all done in another month or so.

Tai-Hao has double-shot PBT tooling.  We've requested samples with transparent legends.  I'll post photos once we've received them, along with photos of our own PBT keycaps.

I'll also be posting another update on the 60% keyboard soon.  The 3D drawing is mostly done.   :)


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« Reply #342 on: Tue, 22 September 2015, 14:28:45 »

Yes, the tooling we're doing is for PBT blank/dyesub/laser and also for ABS blank/laser/backlit caps.  I'm in China now.  We hope to have it all done in another month or so.

Tai-Hao has double-shot PBT tooling.  We've requested samples with transparent legends.  I'll post photos once we've received them, along with photos of our own PBT keycaps.

I'll also be posting another update on the 60% keyboard soon.  The 3D drawing is mostly done.   :)

So does that mean I can get a couple PBT dyesub sets for Christmas? 2015? Sounds great!
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« Reply #343 on: Tue, 22 September 2015, 14:30:32 »
It may not affect the quality, but clear legends are not appealing. Most doubleshot sets use interesting colors, and clear is not an interesting color.
Maybe I'm just boring, but I don't want "interesting" colours on my keyboard. I just want professional looking legends that won't wear out, and backlighting for when I'm working in the dark.

I'm curious, where did you find a backlit Alps keyboard that's made with the workaday professional in mind?

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #344 on: Tue, 22 September 2015, 15:52:18 »

Yes, the tooling we're doing is for PBT blank/dyesub/laser and also for ABS blank/laser/backlit caps.  I'm in China now.  We hope to have it all done in another month or so.

Tai-Hao has double-shot PBT tooling.  We've requested samples with transparent legends.  I'll post photos once we've received them, along with photos of our own PBT keycaps.

I'll also be posting another update on the 60% keyboard soon.  The 3D drawing is mostly done.   :)



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It may not affect the quality, but clear legends are not appealing. Most doubleshot sets use interesting colors, and clear is not an interesting color.
Maybe I'm just boring, but I don't want "interesting" colours on my keyboard. I just want professional looking legends that won't wear out, and backlighting for when I'm working in the dark.

I'm curious, where did you find a backlit Alps keyboard that's made with the workaday professional in mind?

I didn't - I'm going to be building my own - not uncommon around these parts :)
If I can pull off backlighting then I'll order a custom PCB. Otherwise it would be easier and cheaper to just hand wire everything.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #345 on: Wed, 23 September 2015, 11:18:04 »

Yes, the tooling we're doing is for PBT blank/dyesub/laser and also for ABS blank/laser/backlit caps.  I'm in China now.  We hope to have it all done in another month or so.

Tai-Hao has double-shot PBT tooling.  We've requested samples with transparent legends.  I'll post photos once we've received them, along with photos of our own PBT keycaps.

I'll also be posting another update on the 60% keyboard soon.  The 3D drawing is mostly done.   :)

So does that mean I can get a couple PBT dyesub sets for Christmas? 2015? Sounds great!
Safe journey!


Thanks!  There's still a bit of work to be done, but Christmas-ish is quite possible...


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #346 on: Wed, 23 September 2015, 22:09:49 »
Are the blank ones going to be available at the same time as legended ones or earlier?
TMK Alps64 w/ Matias Quiet Switches in KBP V60 case.
Infinity60 with SKCM Orange Switches w/ TMK.
CM Storm QRF w/ Frosty Flake controller, Cherry MX Blue Switches and TMK firmware.


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Ellipse Model F F62.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #347 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:39:31 »
Are there going to be replacement keycaps for the ergo pro available?

PLEASE! I love this keyboard so ****ing much but my keycaps are getting really really shiny and feeling awkward

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #348 on: Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:15:00 »
Are there going to be replacement keycaps for the ergo pro available?

PLEASE! I love this keyboard so ****ing much but my keycaps are getting really really shiny and feeling awkward
Are the laser etched legends susceptible to stain or are they still pure white?
TMK Alps64 w/ Matias Quiet Switches in KBP V60 case.
Infinity60 with SKCM Orange Switches w/ TMK.
CM Storm QRF w/ Frosty Flake controller, Cherry MX Blue Switches and TMK firmware.


Coming:
Ellipse Model F F62.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #349 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 00:30:29 »
Are there going to be replacement keycaps for the ergo pro available?

PLEASE! I love this keyboard so ****ing much but my keycaps are getting really really shiny and feeling awkward
Are the laser etched legends susceptible to stain or are they still pure white?

The WoB lasered legends on my Quiet Pro are starting to get stained after a year or so, and I assume the technology used would be identical with the new PBT caps. They are faring much better than my lasered PBT Leopold caps tho.
I think I would prefer UV print for WoB (because doubleahot isn't happening anytime soon) over laser infill. And Dyesub wherever possible, like BoW.