Author Topic: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?  (Read 8692 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 08:53:11 »
We can't have 'friendly and constructive conversations' about anything around here :(

They seem to turn into conversations about how playing video games invite demons into your soul and drives out God. How are you supposed to have a constructive consersation with that...

Between that and all the insults, pitchfork mob hate sessions and jimmie rustling it's really hard to sometimes.

Maybe we are all just too sensitive ;)

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 09:06:44 »
We can't have 'friendly and constructive conversations' about anything around here :(

They seem to turn into conversations about how playing video games invite demons into your soul and drives out God. How are you supposed to have a constructive consersation with that...

Well, it was constructive for a while, then turned into that -- and it entertained Moose, so there's always that. When faced with someone who believes that much of what troubles society can be attributed to demons, you could just say, "Sorry, but I don't believe in demons. Got anything else to offer in defense of your position?" I mean, the guy lobbed a rainbow softball pitch, just swing for the fences. No need to call him a moron -- let his own statements speak for him.

I don't think some of the comments in those two threads were anything other than flame-bombing. It's not really a discussion if all the participants just type out their opinions. If you can say why you believe something, that's a better post. Some people quite literally popped into the thread and said, "You're all racists. kthanxbye" -- just break the ToS and then bail out. That's the sort of behavior that make those threads difficult to enjoy.

Here's a suggestion: age verification for the forum, or age-restricted areas of the forum. If adults want to have an adult conversation about politics, they should be allowed to do so. Or selective banning from sub-forums; you only want to discuss keyboards, but somehow cannot manage to stay out of well-labeled threads about non-keyboard topics? -- banned from Off Topic forum.

For some people it isn't enough to just stay out of a conversation, they have to make sure no one else is allowed to have the conversation. And that, to me, is just pointless censorship. If you want to live in a free and open society prepare yourselves to sometimes hear opinions you don't like.
« Last Edit: Fri, 26 July 2013, 09:15:19 by Krogenar »
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 09:34:25 »
I think the age restriction thing  'might' work but people could just lie, unless we throw in some sort of actual verification (like porn sites do)

But it might also be worthwhile to restrict brand new members etc to certain sub-forums, this would keep down the 'shill' accounts used only for inciting the flames.


And for as much as I 'post' I don't think I've ever shared my 'true' beliefs/feelings about anything that would incite the masses, because I'm pretty sure if I did you all would just hate me ;)

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 09:48:20 »
How about this.

Pressing CTRL-SPACE-F-A-I-L...

Will take you to a hidden subforum...

Where you can talk about whatever.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline funkymeeba

  • CRUMPULAR
  • Posts: 406
  • Location: Colorado
  • WEST SHINJUKU PLANTING TUNE
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 10:19:32 »
I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't have political discussions with people I _agree_ with without wanting to punch someone over it. It's frustrating.

Religion is not a thing I have too much trouble discussing, as long as it is far removed from political talk.
Quote
17:15 < vun> these are the healthiest crisps I've ever come across
17:16 < vun> mostly because I can't get the bag open

meebcats - my bad music

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 10:57:11 »
I think the age restriction thing  'might' work but people could just lie, unless we throw in some sort of actual verification (like porn sites do)

But it might also be worthwhile to restrict brand new members etc to certain sub-forums, this would keep down the 'shill' accounts used only for inciting the flames.

Nah, my idea stinks. Besides, it's not children we don't want in the forum, it's childlike posts. The ToS already covers that sort of behavior. And some of the largest threadcraps were torqued out by longtime members, so a minimum post count is no protection either.

Quote from: SpamRay
And for as much as I 'post' I don't think I've ever shared my 'true' beliefs/feelings about anything that would incite the masses, because I'm pretty sure if I did you all would just hate me ;)

I wouldn't hate you, Spammy, just your ideas -- maybe.
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 11:06:08 »
I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't have political discussions with people I _agree_ with without wanting to punch someone over it. It's frustrating.

I prefer to talk to people who have differing opinions. What's the point of talking to people with whom I agree on 99% of everything? Where's the fun in hearing no new ideas? My IT guy (comes in only as often as we need him) is a very, very smart guy and a bigtime fan of all things Obama. So we talk politics and no one ever gets punched. I try to rationally trick him into agreeing with my position (socialism doesn't work) and he tries to do the same to me. Talking about ideas is what I enjoy -- but if it makes you want to hit someone, don't do it.
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 11:26:23 »
I think that the off topic subforum is not the right place for these kind of arguments.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45599.0

Bad bad bad bad

There are some forum members who enjoy posting in these kinds of threads.

This isn't the right website for that.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 11:54:22 »
I think that the off topic subforum is not the right place for these kind of arguments.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45599.0

Bad bad bad bad

There are some forum members who enjoy posting in these kinds of threads.

This isn't the right website for that.


Perhaps we need an off-topic in off-topic that could have a warning on entry and be a free for all, but how to keep it from spilling out is the question?

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:02:32 »
I think that the off topic subforum is not the right place for these kind of arguments.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45599.0

Bad bad bad bad

There are some forum members who enjoy posting in these kinds of threads.

This isn't the right website for that.


Perhaps we need an off-topic in off-topic that could have a warning on entry and be a free for all, but how to keep it from spilling out is the question?

Use the report button.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:06:21 »
I think that the off topic subforum is not the right place for these kind of arguments.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45599.0

Bad bad bad bad

There are some forum members who enjoy posting in these kinds of threads.

This isn't the right website for that.


Perhaps we need an off-topic in off-topic that could have a warning on entry and be a free for all, but how to keep it from spilling out is the question?

Use the report button.

Nah you get in trouble if you do that too much.

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:20:35 »
I think that the off topic subforum is not the right place for these kind of arguments.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45599.0

Bad bad bad bad

There are some forum members who enjoy posting in these kinds of threads.

This isn't the right website for that.

What was objectionable in the thread? Was it that people were discussing racism in America at all, or specific posts?
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline Tym

  • [CTRL]ALT
  • * Maker
  • Posts: 1582
  • Location: England
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:28:39 »
@Spam, what porn sites require age verification other than "Are you old enough?" you can even get onto
NSFW
More
TrueGore
without verification, and that site really shouldn't exist.
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:39:02 »
@Spam, what porn sites require age verification other than "Are you old enough?" you can even get onto
NSFW
More
TrueGore
without verification, and that site really shouldn't exist.

BAH! Obviously I was making things up again.....apparently I don't actually go to those sites but was making an educated guess.

Offline TheSoulhunter

  • Posts: 1169
  • Location: Euroland
  • Thorpelicious!
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:43:23 »
If one doesn't like this kind of discussions he should simply ignore the off-topic forum, eh?
I'd rather live in a world of flames than in a one where I have to be afraid of talking freely :3

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 12:54:46 »
If one doesn't like this kind of discussions he should simply ignore the off-topic forum, eh?
I'd rather live in a world of flames than in a one where I have to be afraid of talking freely :3

If you ignore the entire off topic sub, then you miss a lot of good stuff too, like bunny's giveaways, and a bunch of random other cool stuff.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:26:50 »
If one doesn't like this kind of discussions he should simply ignore the off-topic forum, eh?
I'd rather live in a world of flames than in a one where I have to be afraid of talking freely :3

If you ignore the entire off topic sub, then you miss a lot of good stuff too, like bunny's giveaways, and a bunch of random other cool stuff.

Right, so read the thread title and get some indication of what might be a topic of discussion, or gird your jimmy for potential rustling. Or (if you're especially tough-minded) the moment you notice that the discussion is not something you would like to talk about -- leave the thread. If you're not interested in a political discussion, or cannot engage in the discussion without wanting to kill someone -- leave the thread. If you've got nothing to add except a rant -- leave the thread?

pre-emptive meme goes... here:

GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline jdcarpe

  • * Curator
  • Posts: 8856
  • Location: Odessa, TX
  • Live long, and prosper.
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:42:24 »
If we ban religious and political discussion, can we get Topre classified as a religion, please? Jesus told me that's what Obama would do.
KMAC :: LZ-GH :: WASD CODE :: WASD v2 :: GH60 :: Alps64 :: JD45 :: IBM Model M :: IBM 4704 "Pingmaster"

http://jd40.info :: http://jd45.info


in memoriam

"When I was a kid, I used to take things apart and never put them back together."

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:45:56 »
If one doesn't like this kind of discussions he should simply ignore the off-topic forum, eh?
I'd rather live in a world of flames than in a one where I have to be afraid of talking freely :3

If you ignore the entire off topic sub, then you miss a lot of good stuff too, like bunny's giveaways, and a bunch of random other cool stuff.

Right, so read the thread title and get some indication of what might be a topic of discussion, or gird your jimmy for potential rustling. Or (if you're especially tough-minded) the moment you notice that the discussion is not something you would like to talk about -- leave the thread. If you're not interested in a political discussion, or cannot engage in the discussion without wanting to kill someone -- leave the thread. If you've got nothing to add except a rant -- leave the thread?

pre-emptive meme goes... here:

(Attachment Link)

Right. The issue comes when there is a thread that gets hijacked by this stuff.

I don't understand why one needs to talk about this stuff on a KEYBOARD forum.

There are plenty of other forums.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 13:46:21 »
If we ban religious and political discussion, can we get Topre classified as a religion, please? Jesus told me that's what Obama would do.

I see what you did there...
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:09:36 »
Right. The issue comes when there is a thread that gets hijacked by this stuff.

The thread that you referenced was talking about the overt racism being pimped on a reality television show. So the discussion of race was related. I don't think the thread was hijacked.

Quote
I don't understand why one needs to talk about this stuff on a KEYBOARD forum.
There are plenty of other forums.

People (on GH) are talking about food, television, mousepads, cars, etc. Don't these people realize they shouldn't talk about food on a KEYBOARD forum? There are plenty of other forums about food, cars and television shows? The only thing that makes political discussions different is that people react very emotionally to politics. Take this talk of banning free and open discussion to some other forum.

I propose a ban on talk of banning speech!

Or, ban people who don't know how to read thread titles!
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 14:31:44 »
Guys...

This is getting out of hand.

I didn't know that this would turn into a flamewar.

The problem with this stuff, is that it makes everyone mad.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people type in all caps.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people angry.

Politics does.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" makes people laugh.

Politics doesn't.

Nothing good has ever come out of those threads.

I doubt that will change.

It's a very inflammatory topic by nature.

Politics makes GeekHack a worse place, not a better one.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline hoggy

  • * Ergonomics Moderator
  • Posts: 1483
  • Location: Isle of Man
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:00:10 »
Perhaps we could encourage religious and political discussions to remain just in threads that have titles that are obviously religious or political.
That way we could just let them fight it out amongst themselves. :o
GH Ergonomic Guide (in progress)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54680.0

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:09:07 »
It would be nice if it didn't clutter everything up.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Online diqkiq

  • Posts: 129
  • Location: San Diego
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:30:41 »
they never lead to anything good. and we are a keyboard forum, not a political/religious forum.

i can only block so many people.

I think we should pray about it. Or maybe elect people to decide for us
Filco Majestouch TKL, Noppoo Choc Mini, Realforce 87 55g, Model M TKL, Ducky Shine 3 TKL, KC60, Planck.

Offline SpAmRaY

  • NOT a Moderator
  • * Certified Spammer
  • Posts: 14661
  • Location: \(_o)/
  • because reasons.......
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:52:05 »
Guys...

This is getting out of hand.

I didn't know that this would turn into a flamewar.

The problem with this stuff, is that it makes everyone mad.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people type in all caps.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people angry.

Politics does.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" makes people laugh.

Politics doesn't.

Nothing good has ever come out of those threads.

I doubt that will change.

It's a very inflammatory topic by nature.

Politics makes GeekHack a worse place, not a better one.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc"

"I hate Mexican Food and the people who make it they steal our jobs, Oprah is BLACK, My mousepad was made in China and we need to stop shipping jobs over there and I HATE people who drive TOYOTA it's unamerican."

^^Not a real response but ANYTHING can go to crap depending on the response.

And we all know what happens when you put a clack in the microwave.

Offline jdcarpe

  • * Curator
  • Posts: 8856
  • Location: Odessa, TX
  • Live long, and prosper.
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:54:15 »
And we all know what happens when you put a clack in the microwave.

It gets warm. :(
KMAC :: LZ-GH :: WASD CODE :: WASD v2 :: GH60 :: Alps64 :: JD45 :: IBM Model M :: IBM 4704 "Pingmaster"

http://jd40.info :: http://jd45.info


in memoriam

"When I was a kid, I used to take things apart and never put them back together."

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:54:41 »
Guys...

This is getting out of hand.

I didn't know that this would turn into a flamewar.

The problem with this stuff, is that it makes everyone mad.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people type in all caps.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" doesn't make people angry.

Politics does.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc" makes people laugh.

Politics doesn't.

Nothing good has ever come out of those threads.

I doubt that will change.

It's a very inflammatory topic by nature.

Politics makes GeekHack a worse place, not a better one.

"Food, television, mousepads, cars, etc"

"I hate Mexican Food and the people who make it they steal our jobs, Oprah is BLACK, My mousepad was made in China and we need to stop shipping jobs over there and I HATE people who drive TOYOTA it's unamerican."

^^Not a real response but ANYTHING can go to crap depending on the response.

And we all know what happens when you put a clack in the microwave.

I LOL'd

Obviously, "I love tacos" shouldn't get this stuff, but it does anyways.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 15:55:37 »
And we all know what happens when you put a clack in the microwave.

It gets warm. :(

It get heated, just like the disCUSSion that follows.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Malphas

  • Posts: 247
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:18:59 »
With the exception of Endzone, who was an obvious troll, there's nothing bad even happening in that racism thread. It's just people talking calmly. Still don't like it? No need to read it. Banning entire topics of conversation because some people are upset by it or can't control themselves is massively juvenile.

Offline demik

  • Pronounced "demique"
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 11159
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:24:06 »
If we ban religious and political discussion, can we get Topre classified as a religion, please? Jesus told me that's what Obama would do.

i've never told you such a thing, liar.
Back like cooked crack.

Offline jdcarpe

  • * Curator
  • Posts: 8856
  • Location: Odessa, TX
  • Live long, and prosper.
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:45:45 »
If we ban religious and political discussion, can we get Topre classified as a religion, please? Jesus told me that's what Obama would do.

i've never told you such a thing, liar.

KMAC :: LZ-GH :: WASD CODE :: WASD v2 :: GH60 :: Alps64 :: JD45 :: IBM Model M :: IBM 4704 "Pingmaster"

http://jd40.info :: http://jd45.info


in memoriam

"When I was a kid, I used to take things apart and never put them back together."

Offline Techno Trousers

  • Posts: 872
  • ʘ_ಠ
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:53:04 »
What if there were two specific endless threads, one for religion and one for politics? Kind of like the "mail" threads? Then if you don't want to participate, you stay out, and new posts that fall into those categories could be merged into them to keep it contained?

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 16:58:30 »
What if there were two specific endless threads, one for religion and one for politics? Kind of like the "mail" threads? Then if you don't want to participate, you stay out, and new posts that fall into those categories could be merged into them to keep it contained?

Good idea.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Input Nirvana

  • Master of the Calculated Risk
  • Posts: 2313
  • Location: Somewhere in the San Francisco Bay area/Best Coast
  • If I tell ya, I'll hafta kill ya
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 21:23:12 »
Quote
It is when people try to force their opinions or beliefs on others, and become aggressive and/or offensive when people do not agree, is when things get ugly.

Is a recitation of a known fact 'aggressive'? What if someone is (or claims to be) 'offended' by a fact, or the presentation of something as a fact? The 'fact' can be examined, declared to not be a 'fact', etc. -- but is the submission of the 'fact' already meet the definition of 'aggression'? How do you 'force' someone via the Internet to believe what you believe? Is merely expressing an opinion 'aggressive', too?

Quote from: Input Nirvana
By the nature of politics and religion, the opinions are inherently forced onto others

With respect to you Input Nirvana, I think it is perfectly possible to have a stimulating, intelligent discussion about religion and/or politics without 'forcing' your opinion on someone else. The problem here is that people who have very weak arguments, or no stomach to defend their position would rather see the discussion end, period. And this talk of being 'forced' to witness a political discussion. It feels like someone walking into the Adult Section of a videostore and being horrified by the porno covers and titles but staying behind the beaded curtain to gawp and screech and complain. Stay out of that section and your likelihood of seeing midget porn is much lower.

My theory is that some of these topics start well, and then get trolled by users who don't like seeing particular opinions expressed, so they join the thread, drop some insults into the discussion, and then remain to display their rustled jimmies. The way I see it, these people are threadcrapping -- the political discussion was getting somewhere and then they arrived to make sure it devolved into name-calling.

Don't tread lightly because of me :)

Yes you are correct about positives, but I say again, these are such strong polarizing topics that it just invites abuse/rudeness by a larger percentage than other topics. And easier to troll (which people should ignore, but never do). This is why this thread exists.

Also, I did not see the threads that are being referenced and why I assume this thread exists.

I say keep a special "off-off-topic" area...of course we had this before....
Kinesis Advantage cut into 2 halves | RollerMouse Free 2 | Apple Magic Trackpad | Alphagrip | Colemak | on Mac+Hackintosh
Evil Screaming Flying Door Monkeys From Hell                     Proudly GeekWhacking since 2009
Staying in touch via Tapatalk VIP                                        Thanks much, Smallfry  
I AM THE REAPER . . . BECAUSE I KILL IT
~retired from forum activities 2015~

Offline mkawa

  •  No Marketplace Access
  • Posts: 6562
  • (ツ)@@@. crankypants
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 22:56:24 »
off-topic is a unary nullifying operation. off-topic of off-topic is still just off-topic. just try to stay respectful of other people's human rights and it's all good. that's my view at least, but of course i'm not a mod, so it has nothing to do with what we actually end up enforcing. hah!

to all the brilliant friends who have left us, and all the students who climb on their shoulders.

Offline hashbaz

  • Grand Ancient One
  • * Moderator Emeritus
  • Posts: 5055
  • Location: SF Bae Area
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #86 on: Fri, 26 July 2013, 23:18:51 »
I don't like the idea of banning discussion of this stuff, as long as it's kept in OT of course.  I would probably be cool with tighter moderation standards in such threads however, given that they tend to get pretty heated and name-calley.

Offline divito

  • Posts: 618
  • Location: Ontario, Canada
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 27 July 2013, 16:08:15 »
Discussion that isn't defamatory, or subjectively unreasonable, shouldn't be banned based on topic. While political or religious discussion can incite heated debate, this can occur in almost every topic. And as such, respectable and calm debate can also occur with those topics.

The idea of censorship among a forum doesn't really sit right. Plus, GH seems like a pretty mature, and open community that can do fairly well to avoid most issues.
Varmilo (MX Grey) KeyCool 87 (MX Clear) Quickfire Stealth (MX Green)

Offline jabar

  • Posts: 848
  • Location: TX, USA
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 27 July 2013, 16:33:13 »
if this is a problem for some, don't read the off topic subforum.

we don't need more censorship / more moderation.
Leopold FC660C - Max Keyboard Nighthawk X8 - Ducky DK9008 Shine II 78 Edition - Noppoo Choc Mini - Cherry G80-2100HDD - Cherry G80-8113HDPUS - Plu-M87 - Leopold FC700R Ergo Clears - Deck Legend Frost 105 - IBM F PC Keyboard - IBM M 122 (Lexmark) - Apple Extended Keyboard II

Phantom 7bit

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 27 July 2013, 20:09:46 »
Censorship isn't the answer.

GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline Thimplum

  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1101
  • Master of all Ponies
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #90 on: Sat, 27 July 2013, 20:12:27 »
Censorship isn't the answer.

You're right.

The answer is not having people post this stuff in the first place.


I'm done with this discussion. It is leading nowhere.
TP4 FOR ADMIN 2013

Offline Malphas

  • Posts: 247
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 28 July 2013, 18:52:16 »
Self-censorship in other words? Also I think the discussion is going somewhere, it's just going in the opposite direction of where you intended, with most people agreeing that your proposal is an undesirable idea.

Offline Krogenar

  • The Kontrarian
  • * Esteemed Elder
  • Posts: 1265
  • Location: Eastchester, NY
  • "DO NOT BRING YOUR EVIL HERE." -Swamp Thing
    • Buried Planet
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #92 on: Mon, 29 July 2013, 04:40:20 »
Self-censorship in other words? Also I think the discussion is going somewhere, it's just going in the opposite direction of where you intended, with most people agreeing that your proposal is an undesirable idea.

I agree. I'll go one further -- not only is the discussion going somewhere, it got there and they served waffles.
GeekHack Artwork Resources | The Living GeekHack Logo Thread | Signature Plastics ABS Chip Scanning Project | Krog Flocks Around | Keyboard Color Scheme Archive | [GB] PBT DyeSub DSA Granite Set
More
Quote from: Samuel Adams
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Offline microsoft windows

  • Blue Troll of Death
  • * Exalted Elder
  • Posts: 3621
  • President of geekhack.org
    • Get Internet Explorer 6
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 02 August 2013, 04:18:32 »
I do not support banning the discussion of religion or politics. If you don't like to read about that stuff, just don't go onto the Off Topic board. There, problem solved.
CLICK HERE!     OFFICIAL PRESIDENT OF GEEKHACK.ORG    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN MERRY CHRISTMAS

Offline The_Ed

  • Posts: 1350
  • Location: MN - USA
  • Asperger's... SQUIRREL! I'm Anal Retentive *****!
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #94 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 01:13:50 »
Can we ban microsoft windows's new seizure inducing flashing windows signature?
Reaper "frelled" me... Twice... Did he "frell" you too?... *brohug*
I'm camping for a week, and moving twice in a month. I'll get back to you when I can (If I don't then just send me another PM).
R.I.P.ster

Offline microsoft windows

  • Blue Troll of Death
  • * Exalted Elder
  • Posts: 3621
  • President of geekhack.org
    • Get Internet Explorer 6
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #95 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 08:31:58 »
You know...it wouldn't cause you siezures if you were using Internet Explorer 6.
CLICK HERE!     OFFICIAL PRESIDENT OF GEEKHACK.ORG    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN MERRY CHRISTMAS

Offline The_Ed

  • Posts: 1350
  • Location: MN - USA
  • Asperger's... SQUIRREL! I'm Anal Retentive *****!
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 15:26:04 »
**** internet explorer, I use Chrome!
Reaper "frelled" me... Twice... Did he "frell" you too?... *brohug*
I'm camping for a week, and moving twice in a month. I'll get back to you when I can (If I don't then just send me another PM).
R.I.P.ster

Offline microsoft windows

  • Blue Troll of Death
  • * Exalted Elder
  • Posts: 3621
  • President of geekhack.org
    • Get Internet Explorer 6
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #97 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 16:48:28 »
**** internet explorer, I use Chrome!

Well there's your problem!
CLICK HERE!     OFFICIAL PRESIDENT OF GEEKHACK.ORG    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN MERRY CHRISTMAS

Offline TheSoulhunter

  • Posts: 1169
  • Location: Euroland
  • Thorpelicious!
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #98 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 17:26:04 »
Right-Click on Image -> AdblockEdge -> Block Image...

Offline The_Ed

  • Posts: 1350
  • Location: MN - USA
  • Asperger's... SQUIRREL! I'm Anal Retentive *****!
Re: Can we ban religion/politics discussions?
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 03 August 2013, 19:52:05 »
Right-Click on Image -> AdblockEdge -> Block Image...

Done. Sooo much better. Though if he renames the image it'll just come back...
Reaper "frelled" me... Twice... Did he "frell" you too?... *brohug*
I'm camping for a week, and moving twice in a month. I'll get back to you when I can (If I don't then just send me another PM).
R.I.P.ster