Guy bragging about how he got a BWU

[Thimplum]

I don't particularly care about the packaging. It matters more that it's a quality product.

[oTurtlez]

I don't particularly care about the packaging. It matters more that it's a quality product.

It all boils down to one philosophy though. Your finished product is just as important as your presentation. IE; If you went to a fancy steakhouse, ordered a nice $84.99 T-Bone and it came out on a paper plate with some greenery just tossed to the side and the steak was half off the plate, you'd be upset wouldn't you? I mean sure, it tastes like heaven and is the best thing you've ever eaten, but it could have been better with one small change. Now let's back track. Say they came out with it on a nice glass plate being served from a silver platter, steak perfectly centered and garnished properly, isn't that miles better?

[Thimplum]

I don't particularly care about the packaging. It matters more that it's a quality product.

It all boils down to one philosophy though. Your finished product is just as important as your presentation. IE; If you went to a fancy steakhouse, ordered a nice $84.99 T-Bone and it came out on a paper plate with some greenery just tossed to the side and the steak was half off the plate, you'd be upset wouldn't you? I mean sure, it tastes like heaven and is the best thing you've ever eaten, but it could have been better with one small change. Now let's back track. Say they came out with it on a nice glass plate being served from a silver platter, steak perfectly centered and garnished properly, isn't that miles better?

Yep... because then the juices won't leak through the plate.

[Photoelectric]

That's a bad analogy: you eat your meal off the plate.  It's part of the process.  Packaging gets removed and tossed into trash or placed in storage, and you don't see it again.

[alaricljs]

You get $10k in one of 2 forms... a cardboard box with $10k in it or $9k in a $1k briefcase (that you don't need).

Pick one.

[oTurtlez]

You get $10k in one of 2 forms... a cardboard box with $10k in it or $9k in a $1k briefcase (that you don't need).

Pick one.

Take the $1k briefcase one and sell the case for more than $1k

[alaricljs]

Good luck with that, who uses briefcases anymore?

[Photoelectric]

Plus it'd be a used briefcase at that point = devalued!  (just like your fancy Blackwidow packaging is going to get ripped up and bent and possibly trashed).  Put it all back together later--it still won't look as good as new.

[Thimplum]

That's a bad analogy: you eat your meal off the plate.  It's part of the process.  Packaging gets removed and tossed into trash or placed in storage, and you don't see it again.

Very true. I frequently buy things that arrive in a bubble mailer, which goes in the trash and is never seen again.

[Danule]

thats why i like the realforce packageing very plain.

[Thimplum]

That's why I like Model M packaging. It's very plain.

[audukent]

Geekhack isn't the best place to obtain this opinion but, just look at Apple.  Presentation is everything.

[oTurtlez]

That's a bad analogy: you eat your meal off the plate.  It's part of the process.  Packaging gets removed and tossed into trash or placed in storage, and you don't see it again.

Very true. I frequently buy things that arrive in a bubble mailer, which goes in the trash and is never seen again.

I always reuse my bubble mailers, that's money I don't have to spend again.

[Thimplum]

Geekhack isn't the best place to obtain this opinion but, just look at Apple.  Presentation is everything.

Just... just don't.

[Thimplum]

That's a bad analogy: you eat your meal off the plate.  It's part of the process.  Packaging gets removed and tossed into trash or placed in storage, and you don't see it again.

Very true. I frequently buy things that arrive in a bubble mailer, which goes in the trash and is never seen again.

I always reuse my bubble mailers, that's money I don't have to spend again.

How? I'm not patient enough to open them in a way other than just ripping them open...

[Puddsy]

I don't throw my packaging away because I need a safe place to put my keyboards when they're not in use.

[Danule]

That's why I like Model M packaging. It's very plain.

i need to get me one of those badboys.

[oTurtlez]

That's a bad analogy: you eat your meal off the plate.  It's part of the process.  Packaging gets removed and tossed into trash or placed in storage, and you don't see it again.

Very true. I frequently buy things that arrive in a bubble mailer, which goes in the trash and is never seen again.

I always reuse my bubble mailers, that's money I don't have to spend again.

How? I'm not patient enough to open them in a way other than just ripping them open...

I peel the adhesive flap open, and then to reuse it, cover the entire flap area with packing tape.

[Thimplum]

I don't throw my packaging away because I need a safe place to put my keyboards when they're not in use.

Why not stuff them under the desk? 

[nubbinator]

How? I'm not patient enough to open them in a way other than just ripping them open...

I cut the top off with scissors.  Then just fold it over, tape it up good, and you're good to go when you reuse it.

[oTurtlez]

How? I'm not patient enough to open them in a way other than just ripping them open...

I cut the top off with scissors.  Then just fold it over, tape it up good, and you're good to go when you reuse it.

See someone understands. Why pay for packaging again when you can just recycle old packaging and just pay for postage.

[Puddsy]

I don't throw my packaging away because I need a safe place to put my keyboards when they're not in use.

Why not stuff them under the desk? 

AND JUST LET THEM TOUCH THE GROUND ARE YOU NUTS?

Ahem. My desk area isn't much larger than a small closet, and I rarely clean it. I keep the keyboards in the box so that they don't get as dirty. Also 12 year old brother likes to break my things. I can hear him try and open a box from anywhere in the house.

[Thimplum]

I don't throw my packaging away because I need a safe place to put my keyboards when they're not in use.

Why not stuff them under the desk? 

AND JUST LET THEM TOUCH THE GROUND ARE YOU NUTS?

Ahem. My desk area isn't much larger than a small closet, and I rarely clean it. I keep the keyboards in the box so that they don't get as dirty. Also 12 year old brother likes to break my things. I can hear him try and open a box from anywhere in the house.

I prefer to use keyboards that can't be broken.

[sth]

I'll admit that I kinda like the Razer experience, and that they've even managed to make one at all. When you buy expensive stuff from Razer you do get all the bells and whistles, when you buy an equally expensive mouse from Logitech you get nothing more than you would from the cheapest in terms of packaging and whatnot.
Basically, when I buy expensive **** I want to feel like I'm buying expensive ****, and Razer understands that.

bells and whistles? they're plying you with free advertisements for their products and wasteful overbuilt packaging that either goes in the closet or straight to the trash.

[Thimplum]

How? I'm not patient enough to open them in a way other than just ripping them open...

I cut the top off with scissors.  Then just fold it over, tape it up good, and you're good to go when you reuse it.

I try that next time.

[oTurtlez]

I'll admit that I kinda like the Razer experience, and that they've even managed to make one at all. When you buy expensive stuff from Razer you do get all the bells and whistles, when you buy an equally expensive mouse from Logitech you get nothing more than you would from the cheapest in terms of packaging and whatnot.
Basically, when I buy expensive **** I want to feel like I'm buying expensive ****, and Razer understands that.

bells and whistles? they're plying you with free advertisements for their products and wasteful overbuilt packaging that either goes in the closet or straight to the trash.

True, but at least they look you in they eyes as they **** you mercilessly.

[Thimplum]

I'll admit that I kinda like the Razer experience, and that they've even managed to make one at all. When you buy expensive stuff from Razer you do get all the bells and whistles, when you buy an equally expensive mouse from Logitech you get nothing more than you would from the cheapest in terms of packaging and whatnot.
Basically, when I buy expensive **** I want to feel like I'm buying expensive ****, and Razer understands that.

bells and whistles? they're plying you with free advertisements for their products and wasteful overbuilt packaging that either goes in the closet or straight to the trash.

Yup. I think that they advertise far too much. I love my Naga, but it is over-advertised.

[Puddsy]

I don't throw my packaging away because I need a safe place to put my keyboards when they're not in use.

Why not stuff them under the desk? 

AND JUST LET THEM TOUCH THE GROUND ARE YOU NUTS?

Ahem. My desk area isn't much larger than a small closet, and I rarely clean it. I keep the keyboards in the box so that they don't get as dirty. Also 12 year old brother likes to break my things. I can hear him try and open a box from anywhere in the house.

I prefer to use keyboards that can't be broken.

Knees OP. My QFR and my ducky have been spared until now. He didn't know about the other 4 yet. I suspect he'll be mad.

[xSpartanCx]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming, as long as you're used to it. Also, I'm not particularly against Razer, I've got a mouse from them and it's pretty nice. My brother has the BWU, and it doesn't seem like too bad of a keyboard, although personally I don't care so much about the backlight. I find the font unique, and sometimes annoying if I would want to mix keycaps.

[esoomenona]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming

Again with the misinformation... G81s are superior at everything. Especially gaming.

[AuRinBei]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming

Again with the misinformation... G81s are superior at everything. Especially gaming.

What is the throw on MY switches?

[Thimplum]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming

Again with the misinformation... G81s are superior at everything. Especially gaming.

What is the throw on MY switches?

Just right.

[esoomenona]

The throw on MY switches? It's when you throw all your other crappy switches out the window because it's perfect.

[Thimplum]

The throw on MY switches? It's when you throw all your other crappy switches out the window because it's perfect.

Actually, it throws YOU out the window because you aren't worthy of it.

[TimIsABat]

The worst thing about the microcenter is all the keyboards are popped out of the boxes lol. It is awesome because you can test different switches (sadly I didn't see any Ducky's there), but like I bet half those boards don't work anymore.

Also CS:GO!!!!!ADD ME: TimIsABat

I have been playing Borderlands 2 like crack so I haven't played in a while, and I used to play Source like crack so GO is a bit easier for me. Binge told me about your Courier incident in DOTA lol...silly CPT

[TrueOP]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming, as long as you're used to it. Also, I'm not particularly against Razer, I've got a mouse from them and it's pretty nice. My brother has the BWU, and it doesn't seem like too bad of a keyboard, although personally I don't care so much about the backlight. I find the font unique, and sometimes annoying if I would want to mix keycaps.

Totally agree here, cherry switches aren't gonna be any worse (or better) on a Razer than another keyboard...

main issue as i see it: people on GH tend not to fall for the stylized product gimmick for looks-at-the-cost-of-craftsmanship!  Crappy keycaps, odd lighting, toy-look... then u get to the buggy software Zzz  I never had a Razer kb but i had a Razer Deathadder mouse which felt great but was ruined with buggy resource intensive software (had issue where bright logo on mouse would not stop blinking no-matter the setting... it had to be defective!(?) lol),

my logitech g700 mouse on other hand is excellent and ALWAYS does what its supposed to do... Its a tool and the stylizing is all from the button and ergonomics (all black), basically the style IS the in thing itself and not vice versa

[korrelate]

Gaudy, gaudy, gaudy : The logo for Razer is so stupid looking it's impossible for me to take that company seriously. You know? And that's not a trivial thing to say: A logo is a symbol, and I think that we all can all agree that symbols, because they are pre-lingual are also pre-cognitive. They are an attempt to communicate some value at a pre-conscious level. The Mercedes Benz logo evokes the tripartite structure of christian tradition, unity, precision and there a number of other logos that do the same. Every time I see the Razer logo, I feel like some psychotic wino-creep (with the smell of an entire bottle of Tbird on his breath) and a poor dead animal in his hand just asked me, in drunk-broken english, "Heeeyyy duuude, you ever see a gro - burp- grown man f*** a rabbit?" You know what I mean? That's how insulting and stupid that logo looks to me. Really.

[TrueOP]

^
Year of the snake currently o___o



*err but ya, as far as Razer logo goes... it is 3 superimposed snakes that don't actually intertwine.  More like a crossroads in the shape of a snake than the actual snakes forming a knot hmm

[SpAmRaY]

I don't believe that any keyboard is better than another for gaming, as long as you're used to it. Also, I'm not particularly against Razer, I've got a mouse from them and it's pretty nice. My brother has the BWU, and it doesn't seem like too bad of a keyboard, although personally I don't care so much about the backlight. I find the font unique, and sometimes annoying if I would want to mix keycaps.

Totally agree here, cherry switches aren't gonna be any worse (or better) on a Razer than another keyboard...

main issue as i see it: people on GH tend not to fall for the stylized product gimmick for looks-at-the-cost-of-craftsmanship!  Crappy keycaps, odd lighting, toy-look... then u get to the buggy software Zzz  I never had a Razer kb but i had a Razer Deathadder mouse which felt great but was ruined with buggy resource intensive software (had issue where bright logo on mouse would not stop blinking no-matter the setting... it had to be defective!(?) lol),

my logitech g700 mouse on other hand is excellent and ALWAYS does what its supposed to do... Its a tool and the stylizing is all from the button and ergonomics (all black), basically the style IS the in thing itself and not vice versa

^^ G700 FTW!!!!

[LouisHjelmslev]

A logo is a symbol, and I think that we all can all agree that symbols, because they are pre-lingual are also pre-cognitive. They are an attempt to communicate some value at a pre-conscious level.

Lacanian psychoanalysis + Jungian archetypes + Lévi-Straussian totemism = ... good logos for keyboards (?!)
Dubious science at work here.
I wouldn't judge a whole line of products by a brand, at most, I'd just be cautious when dealing with brands with a less-than-solid rep.
Different strokes, different folks

[xSpartanCx]

people on GH tend not to fall for the stylized product gimmick for looks-at-the-cost-of-craftsmanship!

This is the main reason I bought my k90 as my first mech before I found this forum: the raised keys just looked awesome

[CalmB4tehPwn]

No need to be mean, guys. You can laugh at Razer's marketing approach, and in hindsight, so can I, but I wouldn't be here on this forum with you, or working with Weyman up at WASD to put out my custom designs if it weren't for that fateful day in Best Buy, when I saw the Razer Mamba (which has always treated me poorly, but still has a place in my heart) and the following month when I went back for my first mechanical keyboard, the Black Widow Ultimate, with Cherry Blues.

Sure, I've had to fight to make use of my Mamba's warranty twice, and my BWU shat the bed only six months after purchase. But I still can't thank Razer enough for introducing me to a better world.

[Danule]

I have a black widow ultimate silent that i abused for 2 years that is still going strong.  So they arent that bad

[rowdy]

I have a black widow ultimate silent that i abused for 2 years that is still going strong.  So they arent that bad

Occasionally someone reports success like this, but most appraisals of BWU are negative.

[Yzeets]

it's just trend, 80% of the pro league players use it so surely people will follow because they think it's going to up THEIR GAME

[Thimplum]

it's just trend, 80% of the pro league players use it so surely people will follow because they think it's going to up THEIR GAME

Score man! 100th post. Now you're a legit entrant to bunny's contest.

[funkymeeba]

But I still can't thank Razer enough for introducing me to a better world.

This is the best point right here. Learning what you like and don't like is all part of the adventure.

[Xenderwind]

it's just trend, 80% of the pro league players use it so surely people will follow because they think it's going to up THEIR GAME

Obviously 80% isn't accurate, but yeah a lot of people do try and get the same stuff that pro's use.  That's why sponsors do what they do.  Though I feel like there's a lot of cm/corsair sponsored teams now.

[sth]

No need to be mean, guys.

don't internalize their ****ty marketing

[Thimplum]

But I still can't thank Razer enough for introducing me to a better world.

That is a very good point. Perhaps we should thank Razer for doing the marketing work to introduce people to the world of better keyboards.