Finally...time to make a choice

[Narcix]

...KBT Pure with mx whites and green bl vs Noppoo Mid 87 (white version) with blues
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                                                                |   
+Looks cooler                                          |   +Safe Pick
+Compact Layout                                    |   +Cheaper
+MX Whites are kewl                              |   +More keys = more customization options
-Compact Layout                                     |   -Doesn't look as cool as the other one
-Not a safe pick                                       |   -No removable cable
-Expensive                   
Anyone can help me decide?
                                       

[gnubag]

both of them are still very different.
also the pure is pcb mount compared to the platemounted mid.

to be honest, just buy what ever you feel like.
you will probably end up with more keyboards anyway.

[Narcix]

I know, but i on't think i'll be able to get a second one anytime soon, so it has to be the right choice. i might actually buy 2 switches (blue and white) from qwerkeys....cant afford another mistake

[dreamingftw]

I say kbt pure. More options with keycaps down the road cause that is inevitable

[meiosis]

You already chose. You are subconsciously choosing the kbt pure

[Narcix]

I think I'm leaning towards the pure....but i dunno if I'll like it....and if i spend 120€ on that, i'll have less money for caps

[Ultratude]

I say Pure too.

[Narcix]

Yup. Looks like I'll be getting the pure
Since i already have a "normal" keyboard, this one will be nice.
If i get enough money, next year i'll get a tkl, maybe a wasd v2 with clears
btw, since the pure is pcb mounted, can you change the switches without soldering?
also, how does the bump on whites feel? like the blues one or more like the browns'?
thx 

[Thimplum]

...KBT Pure with mx whites and green bl vs Noppoo Mid 87 (white version) with blues
________________________________|___________________________________
                                                                |   
+Looks cooler                                          |   +Safe Pick
+Compact Layout                                    |   +Cheaper
+MX Whites are kewl                              |   +More keys = more customization options
-Compact Layout                                     |   -Doesn't look as cool as the other one
-Not a safe pick                                       |   -No removable cable
-Expensive                   
Anyone can help me decide?
                                       

[CPTBadAss]

If you're worried about money, the Pure will end up costing you more since you'll need a Tsangan kit/old Cherry keycap set for the short right/1800 right shift.

[Badwrench]

Yup. Looks like I'll be getting the pure
Since i already have a "normal" keyboard, this one will be nice.
If i get enough money, next year i'll get a tkl, maybe a wasd v2 with clears
btw, since the pure is pcb mounted, can you change the switches without soldering?
also, how does the bump on whites feel? like the blues one or more like the browns'?
thx 

Since you are looking at a backlit model, you would have to desolder the leds in order to pull the switch caps. 

[Narcix]

Mmmmh.... its so hard to decide....probabilly the mid would be the safest option....but the pure looks cooler.....but its expensive...
Might get an IBM model m instead....lol....

[SpAmRaY]

It gets easier once you figure out what you really want. I can almost guarantee you whatever you get you'll either love it or hate it and want something else either way.

[Narcix]

Yup. Prolly i'll figure out waht i want only when i'll get the wrong thing.....

[SpAmRaY]

Yup. Prolly i'll figure out waht i want only when i'll get the wrong thing.....

This is where try before you buy and/or generous return policies come in really handy but not everyone has that option.

Of course you could always try to find a fellow GH'er in your region of the world that you could possibly meet up with.

[Narcix]

In about a year i should be in the UK for ~1 week, but its a bit of a long wait D:
So....another option added
IBM Model M: looks so goddamn cool. and its just too cool. i think that traveling with this would be a bit hard....

[SpAmRaY]

In about a year i should be in the UK for ~1 week, but its a bit of a long wait D:
So....another option added
IBM Model M: looks so goddamn cool. and its just too cool. i think that traveling with this would be a bit hard....

But you could kill someone with it if needed.

[Narcix]

Just realized i can get the qfr with blues from the USA for about 100€, taxes inclueded...mmmh...

[SpAmRaY]

I'm not digging out the other thread but maybe you posted it already....

What is your price range?

I would think you get could a QFR with blues for cheaper than that 

[Narcix]

120€ is my budget, shipping n taxes included
mmmhhh... i think i made ma choice....
for around 100€ i can get the qfr with blues (unbranded) from the usa, around christmas i'll get some kewl caps and next year id like to find a IBM model m!!!

[Thimplum]

120€ is my budget, shipping n taxes included
mmmhhh... i think i made ma choice....
for around 100€ i can get the qfr with blues (unbranded) from the usa, around christmas i'll get some kewl caps and next year id like to find a IBM model m!!!

Use the Ebay...

[Narcix]

120€ is my budget, shipping n taxes included
mmmhhh... i think i made ma choice....
for around 100€ i can get the qfr with blues (unbranded) from the usa, around christmas i'll get some kewl caps and next year id like to find a IBM model m!!!

Use the Ebay...

ofc, thats where i found it

[Dubsgalore]

Get the pure, really nice keyboard
you'll love it 

[Narcix]

AAAAARGHH!!!!
I cant decide!!! Evryone tells me that the pure is kewl, ecc, but i just dunno if id like it since it would have to be my daily keyboard i dunno if it would completely fullfill its role....the qfr is alot safer, but it doesnt look as cool.....#firstworldproblems

[rowdy]

Get both

Or just the QFR.

You can trick out the QFR - have a look here and see if you think any of those are cool

[Narcix]

Get both

Or just the QFR.

You can trick out the QFR - have a look here and see if you think any of those are cool

i'd love to get both, maybe with the 500€ scolarship i'll get next year it will be a bit easier....
if i get the qfr prolly around christmas ill have to get a full set o' keycaps
are there any unsold overbranded ones? it would not be nice if i got one of those....

[nilpt]

In what mx switches have you typed?
Buckling Spring?

I've typed in BS, MX blue, MX black, MX clear, MX brown, MY "normal", MY "no spring" and can say a few things:
BS - good hysteresis, loud sound, overall nice to type and navigate.

MX blue - wrong hysteresis (and don't like the up bump), loud sound (too "thin" with thin caps), overall nice to type, not nice to navigate.

MX black - no hysteresis , low sound, overall nice to type and navigate, maybe a bit too strong spring.

MX clear - good hysteresis , low sound, overall nice to type and navigate, stronger spring.

MX brown - good hysteresis , low sound, overall nice to type and navigate.

MY "normal" - no hysteresis, low sound, not nice to type or navigate, spring too strong.

MY "no spring" - no hysteresis, low sound, nice to type or navigate, maybe a bit too soft.

Personally I've been disappointed with MX blues, maybe because it is a PCB mounted board (G80-3000).

YMMV

[Narcix]

Regarding the switches, i tried evry mx one except clears (bought 'em from qwerkeys).
i dislike the reds and the browns, i like blue, greens and whites.

[nilpt]

I see you "need" the audible feedback 
I've used BS for many years (as I thing of it, around 20 in IBM 3151 terminals and later in PC), and the blues don't come nowhere near in typing quality and feedback.
My main boards now are mx brown (plate) and mx clear (pcb).
I dislike the cherry "clicks", but the tactiles are nice.
If you get the chance, try BS and mx clears.

[Narcix]

I see you "need" the audible feedback 
I've used BS for many years (as I thing of it, around 20 in IBM 3151 terminals and later in PC), and the blues don't come nowhere near in typing quality and feedback.
My main boards now are mx brown (plate) and mx clear (pcb).
I dislike the cherry "clicks", but the tactiles are nice.
If you get the chance, try BS and mx clears.

Next year i should be able to get myself a IBM Model M

[meiosis]

Just get the Pure, why regret later for being a little bit cheaper? As for Model M wise, they aren't going anywhere. Unicomp sells a similar BS style, but honestly if you need mobility full size is really too much

[Narcix]

Just get the Pure, why regret later for being a little bit cheaper? As for Model M wise, they aren't going anywhere. Unicomp sells a similar BS style, but honestly if you need mobility full size is really too much

still not entirely sure about build quality, ecc

[nilpt]

Next year i should be able to get myself a IBM Model M

If you have never been near a Model M before, please share your reactions of the first sighting...
 

[BlueBär]

Just get the Pure, why regret later for being a little bit cheaper? As for Model M wise, they aren't going anywhere. Unicomp sells a similar BS style, but honestly if you need mobility full size is really too much

still not entirely sure about build quality, ecc

I have a Pure myself. The build quality is very good, there is no PCB flex and the case feels very solid for plastic. If you get a non-backlit one with PBT keycaps (the later produced non-backlit models have PBT caps, see here) you won't need to buy anything for it ever. If you get a backlit one, the keys will naturally wear since they are transparent with a black paint coat. Oh and I would avoid the Pure Pro, you probably won't be able to find a fitting full keycap set for that, ever, for the normal Pure you only need a Tsangan kit.

Oh and if I need the numpad or something else, I have a Model M under the desk in a keyboard tray.

[Narcix]

Thank you all for the help.
I decided (still not bought though) to get the QFR, since it is a "safer choice". Probabilly the pure will be one of my next boards

[rowdy]

Most US QFRs are unbranded these days.  Other countries (including Australia) seem to have only branded ones (might just be old stock that has not been replenished).

If you do get a branded one, you could always get a replacement top cover if it really bothered you.

Although mine with MX blacks (silver case) is branded, and after swapping keycaps the remaining branding is not really that obvious.

[Narcix]

Ok things have changed (again). Now the choice is between the poker 2 and the keycool 87 (pbt caps version).
Poker 2:
+compact layout
+i can add leds
+very good for traveling
+looks badass
-compact layout, don't know if i'd like it (ex. ****ton of keybinds in WoW)

Keycool 87
+safer choice
+very good looking
+comes with a bag!!!
+still possible to travel with it
-cant install leds

Also, i'd have to stay with stock caps for a loooong time (reason why i excluded the qfr), since i'll have to buy a new gpu, psu n ram....
this choice is so frickin' hard, cos i know that indipendently from waht i end up getting, i'll love it but ill immediately want to try another one!!! 

[TimIsABat]

Ok things have changed (again). Now the choice is between the poker 2 and the keycool 87 (pbt caps version).
Poker 2:
+compact layout
+i can add leds
+very good for traveling
+looks badass
-compact layout, don't know if i'd like it (ex. ****ton of keybinds in WoW)

Keycool 87
+safer choice
+very good looking
+comes with a bag!!!
+still possible to travel with it
-cant install leds

Also, i'd have to stay with stock caps for a loooong time (reason why i excluded the qfr), since i'll have to buy a new gpu, psu n ram....
this choice is so frickin' hard, cos i know that indipendently from waht i end up getting, i'll love it but ill immediately want to try another one!!! 

This whole thread is nostalgic to me.

I have a Poker X which is still different from the Poker II, but still very similar. I love the layout that they provide with the Pokers. It really isn't hard to get used to and the build just feels great (I added a plate to my Poker X so it feels almost like a Poker II in theory). If you are okay with pressing an extra key for the function keys than I say go with the Poker II. They already come with PBT so you wouldn't be suffering that much with their stock keys (just that stupid as hell spacebar). The Keycool to me just looks cheap and unrefined. Over time you will probably be getting more boards as well (my plan after I finish paying off my laptop). So get the higher quality board because you will probably be settling on it for a bit.

I am going to get a Model M soon and will post my reaction when at first click.

[rowdy]

The Poker 2 does not seem to have dedicated arrow keys.  That is the thing I miss most on my HHKB.

Think about how much you use the arrow keys and whether you are happy not only pressing an additional key to get arrow key functionality, but also learning where the arrow key substitutes are.  It has taken me a month or two (using standard layout boards at work and HHKB at home) to almost get used to the different arrows on the HHKB, and I still miss them.

I also have a KeyCool 87 (white with MX reds) and it is fine.  It seems lighter than my QFR, but that could be as it has MX reds whereas the QFR has MX blacks.

[Narcix]

The Poker 2 does not seem to have dedicated arrow keys.  That is the thing I miss most on my HHKB.

Think about how much you use the arrow keys and whether you are happy not only pressing an additional key to get arrow key functionality, but also learning where the arrow key substitutes are.  It has taken me a month or two (using standard layout boards at work and HHKB at home) to almost get used to the different arrows on the HHKB, and I still miss them.

I also have a KeyCool 87 (white with MX reds) and it is fine.  It seems lighter than my QFR, but that could be as it has MX reds whereas the QFR has MX blacks.

yea, i started monitoring my keypresses to see if i really use the rest of the board...
in a few days ill have to decide...it's taking waaaay to long lolz

[rowdy]

The Poker 2 does not seem to have dedicated arrow keys.  That is the thing I miss most on my HHKB.

Think about how much you use the arrow keys and whether you are happy not only pressing an additional key to get arrow key functionality, but also learning where the arrow key substitutes are.  It has taken me a month or two (using standard layout boards at work and HHKB at home) to almost get used to the different arrows on the HHKB, and I still miss them.

I also have a KeyCool 87 (white with MX reds) and it is fine.  It seems lighter than my QFR, but that could be as it has MX reds whereas the QFR has MX blacks.

yea, i started monitoring my keypresses to see if i really use the rest of the board...
in a few days ill have to decide...it's taking waaaay to long lolz

You'll probably kick yourself later on if you do eventually end up getting both.

Maybe go with the safe choice for now, and experiment with alternative layouts later on.

[oppz197]

If i were you i would get the blue. You dont know which one you like yourself, taking the cheaper way is better since theres 50 50 chance of you enjoy typing on the blue or not. If you enjoy the blue you saved some money from gettin the greens and clears. If you dont , then you just have to add some money to get another one instead of paying for the more expensive one and end up not liking it . The chance is you would liek the blue, there is reason why blue is one of the main stream swithes.

[Narcix]

The Poker 2 does not seem to have dedicated arrow keys.  That is the thing I miss most on my HHKB.

Think about how much you use the arrow keys and whether you are happy not only pressing an additional key to get arrow key functionality, but also learning where the arrow key substitutes are.  It has taken me a month or two (using standard layout boards at work and HHKB at home) to almost get used to the different arrows on the HHKB, and I still miss them.

I also have a KeyCool 87 (white with MX reds) and it is fine.  It seems lighter than my QFR, but that could be as it has MX reds whereas the QFR has MX blacks.

yea, i started monitoring my keypresses to see if i really use the rest of the board...
in a few days ill have to decide...it's taking waaaay to long lolz

You'll probably kick yourself later on if you do eventually end up getting both.

Maybe go with the safe choice for now, and experiment with alternative layouts later on.

i keep changing my mind every few minutes......
i know the keycool is safer, but i just cant get it out of my mind
especially, because i could have the satisfaction of using a board with leds that i mounted myself...i know thats not a very big deal but...

[TimIsABat]

The Poker 2 does not seem to have dedicated arrow keys.  That is the thing I miss most on my HHKB.

Think about how much you use the arrow keys and whether you are happy not only pressing an additional key to get arrow key functionality, but also learning where the arrow key substitutes are.  It has taken me a month or two (using standard layout boards at work and HHKB at home) to almost get used to the different arrows on the HHKB, and I still miss them.

I also have a KeyCool 87 (white with MX reds) and it is fine.  It seems lighter than my QFR, but that could be as it has MX reds whereas the QFR has MX blacks.

yea, i started monitoring my keypresses to see if i really use the rest of the board...
in a few days ill have to decide...it's taking waaaay to long lolz

You'll probably kick yourself later on if you do eventually end up getting both.

Maybe go with the safe choice for now, and experiment with alternative layouts later on.

i keep changing my mind every few minutes......
i know the keycool is safer, but i just cant get it out of my mind
especially, because i could have the satisfaction of using a board with leds that i mounted myself...i know thats not a very big deal but...

I went from wanting blues, to wanting browns, then buying reds, and then modding into ergoclears. At some point switch preference becomes something like clothes. It is whatever suits you for that day. I am getting a Model M soon, so I will get that audible and tactile goodness soon enough, but I still want a Topre.

Monitoring your money for all of it is the tricky part. Your collection will just grow and grow.

[Narcix]

All right, finally bought the keycool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay!!!!!
:DDDD

[rowdy]

Fantastic!

Let us know what you think of it when it arrives

[Narcix]

Fantastic!

Let us know what you think of it when it arrives

Sure

[Narcix]

Ok, I'm loving the keycool, but i think a part of me regrets not getting the poker 2

[rowdy]

Ok, I'm loving the keycool, but i think a part of me regrets not getting the poker 2

You will always have regrets about a keyboard you did not get.

Got HHKB 2 Pro yet?  See!

This gives you something to aim for when you feel there must be more than the keyboard collection you have now

[SpAmRaY]

I just realized in a few days I will have MX boards in every common switch type except blues and greys.