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Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« on: Sat, 17 August 2013, 23:14:08 »
Hey guys, i'm trying to figure out if it's possible for the Steelseries key on the 7G to act like a Windows key?

I'm not really using the audio shortcuts i'd rather have a normal windows key. There's no switches under the board just like on the Poker II to change functions of certain keys :/

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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 17 August 2013, 23:19:01 »
I think you can achieve it using some software modification.
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 18 August 2013, 03:11:52 »
I think you can achieve it using some software modification.

How do i software modification?
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 18 August 2013, 03:45:44 »
If this is like a Fn key on other keyboards (e.g. Ducky, KeyCool), you might be out of luck.

On both those boards that I have the Fn key affects the keys at a keyboard level - I don't think any separate scan code is sent to the PC when Fn is pressed.  So there is nothing you can do on the computer to affect the operation of the Fn key.

IF the Steelseries key is analagous to a Fn key.
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 07:49:22 »
:/ That's the biggest downside to this keyboard. They should have put their key on the right side instead cuz no one uses the right Win key asaik.

Also 1x backspace isn't optimal.
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:04:47 »
:/ That's the biggest downside to this keyboard. They should have put their key on the right side instead cuz no one uses the right Win key asaik.

Also 1x backspace isn't optimal.

Most keyboards replace the right (and only) menu key with the Fn key, and I actually use that.

The KeyCool actually replaces the right Win key with Fn, leaving the menu key intact.

Win! :)
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:12:52 »
The idea is to stop you pressing the windows key mid game and minimising your game and this resulting in your death. It doesn't actually operate as a button so its possible that the switch isnt even soldered to the rest of the board as it has no operational capabilities.
unless they have some unforeseeable downside (like they're actually made of cream cheese cunningly disguised as ABS)


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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:39:13 »
The idea is to stop you pressing the windows key mid game and minimising your game and this resulting in your death. It doesn't actually operate as a button so its possible that the switch isnt even soldered to the rest of the board as it has no operational capabilities.

Many keyboards include a facility to disable the Win key.  On this KeyCool it is Fn-F12 - no more Win worries :)
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:52:35 »
The advantage to a left-side function key is that it makes it faster and easier to access the media keys 1-handed, in particular when your right hand is on the mouse and you're trying to keep your left hand as close to WASD as possible. Useful for a "gaming keyboard."
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 20:20:17 »
The advantage to a left-side function key is that it makes it faster and easier to access the media keys 1-handed, in particular when your right hand is on the mouse and you're trying to keep your left hand as close to WASD as possible. Useful for a "gaming keyboard."

Unless the media keys are on the right, as is the case with the KeyCool (F5 to F11).
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 20 August 2013, 03:41:16 »
The advantage to a left-side function key is that it makes it faster and easier to access the media keys 1-handed, in particular when your right hand is on the mouse and you're trying to keep your left hand as close to WASD as possible. Useful for a "gaming keyboard."

Bzzt.

I've actually talked to the folks who designed the layout. That's not why the Fn key is at LWin position. Nope. Not even remotely. (Both SteelSeries and Thermaltake use this layout, FYI. And yes, I talked to folks in the know at both.)

The reason the Fn key is located at LWin is because that's below WASD, and the most frequent 'accidental Windows key hit' location. Normally when gaming, you have your left hand on the keyboard and right hand on the mouse. That means you have pretty much no chance of accidentally hitting RWin/RGUI, but if you slip on Shift or Ctrl (both frequently used keys) you're likely to hit LWin. The media key layout was more along the lines of happy accident (default locations on Thermaltake/CST-104 Sydney.)
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 20 August 2013, 10:15:31 »
The advantage to a left-side function key is that it makes it faster and easier to access the media keys 1-handed, in particular when your right hand is on the mouse and you're trying to keep your left hand as close to WASD as possible. Useful for a "gaming keyboard."

Bzzt.

I've actually talked to the folks who designed the layout. That's not why the Fn key is at LWin position. Nope. Not even remotely. (Both SteelSeries and Thermaltake use this layout, FYI. And yes, I talked to folks in the know at both.)

The reason the Fn key is located at LWin is because that's below WASD, and the most frequent 'accidental Windows key hit' location. Normally when gaming, you have your left hand on the keyboard and right hand on the mouse. That means you have pretty much no chance of accidentally hitting RWin/RGUI, but if you slip on Shift or Ctrl (both frequently used keys) you're likely to hit LWin. The media key layout was more along the lines of happy accident (default locations on Thermaltake/CST-104 Sydney.)

*shrug* I don't really care what the designers were thinking about; it's still a nice attribute of the layout. Problems with a left-side Windows key can be solved with a Win Lock function, as seen on many keyboards. Sensible media key layouts for gaming, though, are surprisingly rare. I wouldn't say this quite achieves it, but at least it's closer.
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Re: Steelseries Key Act As Windows Key.
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 20 August 2013, 10:49:40 »
The advantage to a left-side function key is that it makes it faster and easier to access the media keys 1-handed, in particular when your right hand is on the mouse and you're trying to keep your left hand as close to WASD as possible. Useful for a "gaming keyboard."

Bzzt.

I've actually talked to the folks who designed the layout. That's not why the Fn key is at LWin position. Nope. Not even remotely. (Both SteelSeries and Thermaltake use this layout, FYI. And yes, I talked to folks in the know at both.)

The reason the Fn key is located at LWin is because that's below WASD, and the most frequent 'accidental Windows key hit' location. Normally when gaming, you have your left hand on the keyboard and right hand on the mouse. That means you have pretty much no chance of accidentally hitting RWin/RGUI, but if you slip on Shift or Ctrl (both frequently used keys) you're likely to hit LWin. The media key layout was more along the lines of happy accident (default locations on Thermaltake/CST-104 Sydney.)

*shrug* I don't really care what the designers were thinking about; it's still a nice attribute of the layout. Problems with a left-side Windows key can be solved with a Win Lock function, as seen on many keyboards. Sensible media key layouts for gaming, though, are surprisingly rare. I wouldn't say this quite achieves it, but at least it's closer.

If i had to choose nowaday i would defenetly pick up the left Win key with a lock function.

And media control functions... LOL media control functions! ****ing worthless
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